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Not Schtick. I get your point and think it is obviously excessive. However, all combat sports have the same issue. Boxing is just the oldest and most popular worldwide so the issue has been exacerbated. Right now, in the US, UFC is the clear top dog for MMA. I don't know one man having a monopoly on the sport is a good thing.
If nothing was wrong with the sport, you (or anyone else) wouldn't have to be telling people to see it, they would have watched it & their would be actual discussion about it on this board.That there's not a peep about the fight 'that people will talk about for decades' says a lot in itself.
I don't know, man. You know I'm a big boxing fan and not much of an MMA fan, but there's really no question in my mind that UFC basically controlling the US MMA market is a much better situation than we currently see with boxing in the US.
American interest in boxing is pretty low, but internationally, boxing is thriving. This board for some reason is especially anti boxing. However, when I go to the bar for a big PPV, the place is sold out to capacity, when I go to school, the kids in my classes talk about boxing whenever there is an HBO or Showtime fight. Boxing is not dead, but it certainly is on this board. Now that I think about it, race may place a role in this. This board is very white, while the boxing fans I know are more likely to be black, Hispanic or Asian.
Oh without a doubt better than the current situation in boxing for the fans. If I am a fighter, I don't like it though.
Almost the same for me. It was the Sweet Pea vs Chavez match that started to ruin things for me, and the Tyson / Holyfield II is the last major fight I saw.
Mekdrick Taylor didn't respond to the ref after being knocked down. I was ok with that fight. Sad what had happened to Taylor. He has serious issues with dimentia and slurred speech, pretty much the image of "punch drunk".
I can get past that decision...ref isn't looking at the clock (he doesn't even know what the time is in the round)...he's just looking at the fighter.That f'ing Sweet Pea/Chavez fight should be a poster boy of bad decisions. As well as Sweet Pea/Golden Boy. Damn...now that I think about it...Sweet Pea has three AWFUL decisions in the history of boxing.
I figured this thread was bumped by someone thinking Bradley stole another win. Helluva fight, so was the undercard 
It almost has to be race. Boxing has a great 2012, but yeah, you won't hear anyone at your office talking about it. Boxing returned to network TV (CBS and NBC). Both had good ratings on par with the college bball games aired that day. The top two highest paid athletes in the world were boxers. Ratings in other countries are through the roof. ESPN came to new agreements with HBO and Showtime to increase their boxing coverage. Yet, it does seem like there are no casual boxing fans out there.
Boxing has/is a niche market. Its never gonna be the NFL, MLB, or NBA. Some may have been interested in a PBF/Pac fight, but theyll be back when it happens. The sport has plenty of diehards, more than most sports actually.Anyone who watched last nights fights has to be interested in watching HBO's next output
BustedKnuckles said:
Oh I wouldn't dare. Since you said it, it must be true.name a coupleBustedKnuckles said:
well i did say it ,its my opinion,last time i checked i was allowed to voice it. Give me just 1 example of an MMA fight that had the drama or importance of Joe Louis vs Max Schmeling. Thats just one fight of many ,many boxing matches that the story lines or the action plus drama transcended the sport itself. The list of charismatic fighters and trainers is endless. Who in MMA is even remotely interesting enough to captivate an entire world like Ali did?Oh I wouldn't dare. Since you said it, it must be true.name a coupleBustedKnuckles said:
i agree with all of this. Some of the best fights i have ever seen were on saturday afternoon for free. Hagler winning the belt from Minter. Ray Mancini in a death match vs Du koo kim...just to name a couple. I saw some pretty good fights on USA tuesday night fights also.Gone are the days of really good free fights .That was one of my points about Dana White,he gets it and he delivers.
That was a completely different time and world. But the second Silva/Sonnen fight was a huge event. Think Tyson/Holyfield.well i did say it ,its my opinion,last time i checked i was allowed to voice it. Give me just 1 example of an MMA fight that had the drama or importance of Joe Louis vs Max Schmeling. Thats just one fight of many ,many boxing matches that the story lines or the action plus drama transcended the sport itself. The list of charismatic fighters and trainers is endless. Who in MMA is even remotely interesting enough to captivate an entire world like Ali did?Oh I wouldn't dare. Since you said it, it must be true.name a coupleBustedKnuckles said:
It's been my experience that most of the bars in my area hate the UFC nights. They have to because that's what's so huge, especially in this area...it's unreal how many MMA dojo's are in this area. The owners and waitresses complain because it ends up being one of the cheapest clientele nights overall. They show up for the fight and get the cheapest beer and then leave when it's done...leaving barely any tip.That was a completely different time and world. But the second Silva/Sonnen fight was a huge event. Think Tyson/Holyfield.well i did say it ,its my opinion,last time i checked i was allowed to voice it. Give me just 1 example of an MMA fight that had the drama or importance of Joe Louis vs Max Schmeling. Thats just one fight of many ,many boxing matches that the story lines or the action plus drama transcended the sport itself. The list of charismatic fighters and trainers is endless. Who in MMA is even remotely interesting enough to captivate an entire world like Ali did?Oh I wouldn't dare. Since you said it, it must be true.name a coupleBustedKnuckles said:
And race-culture does make a difference. I was a manager at a bar that showed Boxing and MMA. On the MMA nights it was pretty much like any night as to who would pay the cover and come in. On the boxing nights Hispanic guys of all ages would show up, pay the cover, buy a couple beers, and leave as soon as the fight was over.
It is all cultural. None of my students in my HS talk about UFC, but lots of boxing talk and boxing shirts. These kids are almost always black, Asian or Hispanic. There was a lot of buzz for Alvarado vs Rios 2 this past week. Neither are anywhere close to household names. However, both are Hispanic so the Hispanic kids are aware of them and watched the first fight with family.
This is on HBO right now. Homeboys stand toe-to-toe beating the snot out of each other.Ilov80s said:
That just isn't Rios. He is a warrior, not a promoter or marketer. IMO, Rios was in lala land after the fight. He kept repeating himself and acting kind of loopy (even for him). Alvarado is bigger, stronger, and landed a lot of powerful right hands. Rios' head was bopping around like a bobblehead all fight. He (like Bradley 2 weeks ago) wasn't all there after the fight and was acting a bit out of character.
If you thought that fight was good, check out HBO On-Demand for Bradley- Provodnikov from 2 or 3 weeks ago. It makes Rios-Alvarado seem like sparring practice. I honestly think both Bradley and Provodnikov lost a few year of their life in that fight. You should visit the Sweet Science boxing thread. The last 10 months of boxing have been epic stuff: amazing upsets, crazy KOs, huge wars. There are some really good fights coming up in the next few months as well: Donaire vs. Rigondeaux, Canelo vs Austin Trout, Josesito Lopez v Maidana.
I swear as a kid I saw Sugar Ray Leonard beat Wilfredo Benitez for the Welterweight Belt (WBC???) on a Friday night on ABC. Or was it NBC?
Can middleweights be just as compelling as heavyweights? Do you really need a guy that big?
In this country, heavyweight boxing is at it's low point, never fully recovering from Lennox Lewis' retirement (who, while European, made his base here in the U.S. and was the heir to the Tyson/Holyfield era). In Europe, quite the opposite - the Klitschko brothers have had their title defenses in front of sellout crowds in large stadiums. As few contenders have been Americans, their biggest fights have been against fellow Europeans. Wlad's fight vs David Haye, awful as it was, was an enormous event in Europe.
Aired on Friday Night Fights... seriously they featured this.
I like Wilder, but when he finally fights someone that is competent and unafraid, he will find himself in trouble. He is sloppy and has not been tested much. Most of his opponents are so scared of his power that they take a punch or two and just give up.
