WWYD - - Tipping (1 Viewer)

[DA RAIDERS]

Just read a waitress story on Reddit where she was cashing out an old dude and his bill was $16.09. The guy gives her a $20 bill and a quarter and says "keep the change".

She says thanks! and starts to walk away. He says wait, when I said keep the change I meant the change. I still want my four ones. 

3 ones.    

 

[acarey50]

3 ones.    

$20.25 - $16.09 = $4.16

He wanted the 4 dollar bills back and was tipping 16 cents.

Unless I misunderstand what you mean

 

[DA RAIDERS]

$20.25 - $16.09 = $4.16

He wanted the 4 dollar bills back and was tipping 16 cents.

Unless I misunderstand what you mean

i missed "and a quarter"  that's even worse

 

[The General]

I know we have discussed tipping here ad nauseum over the years.

Ok, so here is the situation. Just got home from going out to dinner with my dad, he is 77yo. Small, local mexican food place. Approx. 12 tables and above average food (average food really, but compared to other local places it is above average). Service is good, friendly, and very little opportunity for it to be rated exceptional. Bill for my dad and I is $40 (no bar tab). Dad insists on paying. No problem. I forgot how poorly my dad tips and I don't have any cash on hand. So he tips $2 on the bill and I know he believes that this is perfectly OK. He isn't trying to be disrespectful, it's just how he is. I privately apologize to the waitress. 

When we leave in separate cars, I go to the nearest ATM and get money and go back to the restaurant (approx. 10 mins) and give the waitress another $10. (Dad doesn't know this.) 

How would handle this situation? It isn't worth the argument to bring it to dad's attention. 

Your dad is going to to what he wants to do and you handled this perfectly IMO.

 

[Courtjester]

The whole, "they're old, they're not going to change" thing, is going to end in future years, IMO.   With technology and specifically video games being such a large part of life for younger generations, they're constantly having to learn and re-learn new systems.  Things move too fast in those areas to ever get "too stuck in their ways".  Not to mention what technological progress might happen in that area anyway. 

This really is the truth. 

My mom is 85--my in-laws are in their mid 70's--neither one of them believe in on-line anything. They won't buy things on-line.. They won't pay bills on-line (both still mail checks to companies). My mom probably has close to 100k sitting in a checking account and probably close to that in savings. I've mentioned maybe you should think about talking to someone about putting some of it in a CD or some other safe investment---nope, she wants cash and cash only.  

 

[nirad3]

My Mom handles all the finances.  She's still fairly sharp and "gets it".  Never have any issues when we go out.  She likes getting the points on her credit card and I've given some cash to go towards tip from time to time, but not because she's a crappy tipper.  

As for the OP, I would have probably just thrown my card out and said, put "$10 on this too".  Who cares what your pops thinks about it.  You coulda just said that the tip needed to be more.  But yeah, tying to the other post, it's good to just have cash on hand just in case you need it.  I try to tip in cash wherever possible.  Better for the server/bartender/etc.

 

[FairWarning]

It is a generational thing. My mom and in-laws are the same way. They can't comprehend when my family takes them out for lunch and I leave a $30-$40 tip on $150 tab for example. They always give me the "Wow, that tip could have paid for lunch for days for us."  It is just old people using their past experiences to influence their current behavior. 

You don't need to talk to your dad--he paid for your lunch and thinks he did a good thing for you. You made the situation right--end of story. Lecturing him, will just make him feel bad/angry and frankly make you look ungrateful for him doing something nice for you. 

Now you know, in the future when you go out with him and there is a chance of him paying, bring an extra 20 spot and tell him you want to get the tip. This is exactly what I do with my wife's parents, who are notorious at calculating the tip to 10% and making sure they leave the bill at the exact dollar amount ie: the bill is $15.45--the waitperson is getting a $1.55 tip. 

This.  I know a lot of people from that generation who believe in tipping on the service given and not based on the amount of the bill.  It is just as much effort to pour a bud light draft vs a craft beer in their eyes.

 

[Galileo]

Buy your dad a Wizard for his birthday.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

routinely walking around not carrying a single dollar with them is an irresponsible and immature act. I'm not judging their character--I am using those words to describe my opinion on that particular action.  

Immature and irresponsible are character judgments.

 

[Osaurus]

Buy your dad a Wizard for his birthday.

It does other things!

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

The whole, "they're old, they're not going to change" thing, is going to end in future years, IMO.   With technology and specifically video games being such a large part of life for younger generations, they're constantly having to learn and re-learn new systems.  Things move too fast in those areas to ever get "too stuck in their ways".  Not to mention what technological progress might happen in that area anyway. 

This really is the truth. 

My mom is 85--my in-laws are in their mid 70's--neither one of them believe in on-line anything. They won't buy things on-line.. They won't pay bills on-line (both still mail checks to companies). My mom probably has close to 100k sitting in a checking account and probably close to that in savings. I've mentioned maybe you should think about talking to someone about putting some of it in a CD or some other safe investment---nope, she wants cash and cash only.  

It's not quite the truth.  Some people get that way and some don't.  Lumping them all together is unfair.  My MIL only wrote checks until her arthritis made that really difficult.  Because she had to, she learned how to pay online.  We just sort of eased her into the idea.  But she did learn.

And my dad and in-laws all tipped well.  My dad taught me how to tip and adjusted for the differences as time went on.  People aren't all the same.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Immature and irresponsible are character judgments.

Not necessarily.  I am a grown person that is a workaholic. I probably drink alcohol maybe 7 times a year.  4-5 of those times--I maybe drink one or two beers over the course of a 2-3 hour sporting event.   The other 2-3 times a year--I drink in vegas to get drunk and party.  Those 2-3 times a year I'm being immature and irresponsible.  Those 2-3 times a year don't make me an irresponsible or immature human being in general. There is a clear and transparent distinction between describing an action versus describing ones entire character. 

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

Not necessarily.  I am a grown person that is a workaholic. I probably drink alcohol maybe 7 times a year.  4-5 of those times--I maybe drink one or two beers over the course of a 2-3 hour sporting event.   The other 2-3 times a year--I drink in vegas to get drunk and party.  Those 2-3 times a year I'm being immature and irresponsible.  Those 2-3 times a year don't make me an irresponsible or immature human being in general. There is a clear and transparent distinction between describing an action versus describing ones entire character. 

But that once or twice a year goes to your entire character.  It isn't as if you tripped over Vegas accidentally in the dark.  You chose that action.  It is entirely part of who you are, for better or worse.  And the carrying around cash thing is an always thing anyway, so it always applies.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

But that once or twice a year goes to your entire character.  It isn't as if you tripped over Vegas accidentally in the dark.  You chose that action.  It is entirely part of who you are, for better or worse.  And the carrying around cash thing is an always thing anyway, so it always applies.

I didn't see your reply here. For the sake of clarity--lets stick to the other thread as I agree with you that bouncing back and forth makes no sense.  

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

I didn't see your reply here. For the sake of clarity--lets stick to the other thread as I agree with you that bouncing back and forth makes no sense.  

Right back at you.

 

[JoeSteeler]

As for the OP, I would have probably just thrown my card out and said, put "$10 on this too".  

 

[pinequick]

I have to remind myself of this constantly with my FIL, I just refuse to engage him in most topics.

I frequently bring up conversations later with my wife just so I can tell her how wrong her dad is, just to get it off my chest.  But there's no way I'm trying to argue with the old coot.  Life is too short to waste my time tilting against that windmill.  

I'm at this stage with my parents, too.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Ordered Domino's last night. They have "contactless delivery". In the notes, I always indicate to leave it on the bench near my door. Never had any issues with that. Driver last night rings the bell and hand delivers it to me. I dont think anything of it. I leave for work this morning and the tip is still clipped to the bench. I feel extra bad for the guy as it was damn cold last night, but not sure what the play is here? Part of me wants to make it right, even though I didnt do anything wrong. The other part of me just says forget about it.  

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I had a similar thing as the OP happen a few months ago. I excused myself to go to the bathroom and on the way back I bought an item and applied an appropriate tip for what the waitress should have received. 

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Ordered Domino's last night. They have "contactless delivery". In the notes, I always indicate to leave it on the bench near my door. Never had any issues with that. Driver last night rings the bell and hand delivers it to me. I dont think anything of it. I leave for work this morning and the tip is still clipped to the bench. I feel extra bad for the guy as it was damn cold last night, but not sure what the play is here? Part of me wants to make it right, even though I didnt do anything wrong. The other part of me just says forget about it.  

If it’s not way out of my way id take it to the pizza shop 

1 he deserves the tip

2 i don’t want to worry what he’s going to do to my next order because he thinks I stiffed him 

 

[The Iguana]

It shouldn't be that big a deal to have a conversation with your dad. Mine is about the same age and I've had that talk with him long ago - it might have been made easier by me waiting tables and bartending my way through college long, long ago. If my dad is both paying and tipping, he can still be a little light on the tipping. However, when we go out to eat anymore usually it's a "I'll buy, you tip" agreement with it changing who's buying and who's tipping. And when he is just tipping, he will generally overtip. I just make sure I always have some cash on me if we are going out to eat because I know it may be needed. 

 

[FairWarning]

The biggest faux pas a person working for tips can do is assume the tip. This is my biggest pet peeve - along with profiling customers.  I was at the casino last month and never got waited on.  Finally the bartender came over and took my order for a craft beer.  I give her a $10, and she just throws the difference in her tip jar.

 

[Da Guru]

The biggest faux pas a person working for tips can do is assume the tip. This is my biggest pet peeve - along with profiling customers.  I was at the casino last month and never got waited on.  Finally the bartender came over and took my order for a craft beer.  I give her a $10, and she just throws the difference in her tip jar.

In my golf league I ordered 3 cans of beer for 12 dollars.  Gave the server a 20 and she said....do you want change?  

 

[FairWarning]

In my golf league I ordered 3 cans of beer for 12 dollars.  Gave the server a 20 and she said....do you want change?  

Kind of tacky also.

 

[ChiefD]

In my golf league I ordered 3 cans of beer for 12 dollars.  Gave the server a 20 and she said....do you want change?  

Automatic deduction of 10% for me.  

 

[ThaPenguin]

Ordered Domino's last night. They have "contactless delivery". In the notes, I always indicate to leave it on the bench near my door. Never had any issues with that. Driver last night rings the bell and hand delivers it to me. I dont think anything of it. I leave for work this morning and the tip is still clipped to the bench. I feel extra bad for the guy as it was damn cold last night, but not sure what the play is here? Part of me wants to make it right, even though I didnt do anything wrong. The other part of me just says forget about it.  

He didn't follow simple directions. I get he still deserved the tip, but at the same time, you need to be basically competent in that line of work. I wouldn't go out of my way to get it to him, maybe a quick note/call to the store, but I wouldn't do much outside of that.

Coming from someone who worked for tips for 10 years, btw.

 

[Captain Cranks]

The biggest faux pas a person working for tips can do is assume the tip. This is my biggest pet peeve - along with profiling customers.  I was at the casino last month and never got waited on.  Finally the bartender came over and took my order for a craft beer.  I give her a $10, and she just throws the difference in her tip jar.

Wow.  Never had this happen before.  Did you say anything or let it go?

 

[Captain Cranks]

In my golf league I ordered 3 cans of beer for 12 dollars.  Gave the server a 20 and she said....do you want change?  

I'll need an offdee ranking to determine whether this is acceptable.

 

[FairWarning]

Wow.  Never had this happen before.  Did you say anything or let it go?

As a fellow bartender I was going to say something.  I decided to order another instead. I was waited on by someone else, I told her I wanted the other bartender.  She came over and I ordered.  I gave her 7 $1 bills and walked away. 
 

You’ll get this treatment a lot in Vegas also.  

 

[Da Guru]

Automatic deduction of 10% for me.  

I did..it pissed me off.

 

[beer 30]

Look at me!! I make up for my dad's shortcomings!!

 

[NCCommish]

He didn't follow simple directions. I get he still deserved the tip, but at the same time, you need to be basically competent in that line of work. I wouldn't go out of my way to get it to him, maybe a quick note/call to the store, but I wouldn't do much outside of that.

Coming from someone who worked for tips for 10 years, btw.

I deliver for Dominos. It is really easy to miss the instructions especially if you have multiple deliveries to make. And I can't tell you how many times the instructions say contactless and the person comes outside before I can get to the door as the instructions are old and they forgot to change them. So he could be bad at instructions or it could be an honest mistake. And maybe I missed it but I didn't see where the instructions said anything about the tip being clipped to the bench. So that maybe a mitigating factor as to what he does with the tip now.

 

[Dezbelief]

If it’s not way out of my way id take it to the pizza shop 

1 he deserves the tip

2 i don’t want to worry what he’s going to do to my next order because he thinks I stiffed him 

I call the store the next day about the same time and tell them the driver missed the note and his tip. I tell them his tip is still on the bench if he wants to come get it.

 

[Hastur]

Let's say a pizzeria has 10 tables(total of 44 seats) for dining in, plus a 10 stool bar.

This pizzeria has 5 workers: The husband/wife team(husband is the chef, wife is general all around 'whatever needs to be done'), a dishwasher, an employee who handles phone duties as well as helps husband with kitchen duties(makes salads, fryer, etc.), and a waiter.

Very busy pizzeria, and the phone is constantly ringing to place to-go orders. Wife, employee who handles phone and helps in kitchen, and waiter are asked to answer phones as needed.

Situation: Waiter answers phone, and is presently taking an order to-go. Couple comes in and sits down for dine in. Wife sits them and proceeds to wait on them. Waiter is off the phone within 60 seconds, and 'misses out' on potential tip from table that came in while he was on the phone.

ETA: Tips are not pooled, and wife/owner kept tip from the table.

Thoughts?

 

[Drunken knight]

Why is everyone so afraid of talking to your dad about him being a cheapskate?

If your dad stole a candy bar every time you went grocery shopping with him, is the solution to be hush hush and sneak back and pay for it?

Uncle Leo?!

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Let's say a pizzeria has 10 tables(total of 44 seats) for dining in, plus a 10 stool bar.

This pizzeria has 5 workers: The husband/wife team(husband is the chef, wife is general all around 'whatever needs to be done'), a dishwasher, an employee who handles phone duties as well as helps husband with kitchen duties(makes salads, fryer, etc.), and a waiter.

Very busy pizzeria, and the phone is constantly ringing to place to-go orders. Wife, employee who handles phone and helps in kitchen, and waiter are asked to answer phones as needed.

Situation: Waiter answers phone, and is presently taking an order to-go. Couple comes in and sits down for dine in. Wife sits them and proceeds to wait on them. Waiter is off the phone within 60 seconds, and 'misses out' on potential tip from table that came in while he was on the phone.

Thoughts?

They probably pool tips and it’s likely the owner takes none.

 

[Hastur]

Let's say a pizzeria has 10 tables(total of 44 seats) for dining in, plus a 10 stool bar.

This pizzeria has 5 workers: The husband/wife team(husband is the chef, wife is general all around 'whatever needs to be done'), a dishwasher, an employee who handles phone duties as well as helps husband with kitchen duties(makes salads, fryer, etc.), and a waiter.

Very busy pizzeria, and the phone is constantly ringing to place to-go orders. Wife, employee who handles phone and helps in kitchen, and waiter are asked to answer phones as needed.

Situation: Waiter answers phone, and is presently taking an order to-go. Couple comes in and sits down for dine in. Wife sits them and proceeds to wait on them. Waiter is off the phone within 60 seconds, and 'misses out' on potential tip from table that came in while he was on the phone.

Thoughts?

They probably pool tips and it’s likely the owner takes none.

No pool tips, and owner took the tip the couple left.

Yes, I'm the waiter in this scenario. I feel I might be biased, so I tried to write my post as a neutral party.

 

[Drunken knight]

Let's say a pizzeria has 10 tables(total of 44 seats) for dining in, plus a 10 stool bar.

This pizzeria has 5 workers: The husband/wife team(husband is the chef, wife is general all around 'whatever needs to be done'), a dishwasher, an employee who handles phone duties as well as helps husband with kitchen duties(makes salads, fryer, etc.), and a waiter.

Very busy pizzeria, and the phone is constantly ringing to place to-go orders. Wife, employee who handles phone and helps in kitchen, and waiter are asked to answer phones as needed.

Situation: Waiter answers phone, and is presently taking an order to-go. Couple comes in and sits down for dine in. Wife sits them and proceeds to wait on them. Waiter is off the phone within 60 seconds, and 'misses out' on potential tip from table that came in while he was on the phone.

Thoughts?

They probably pool tips and it’s likely the owner takes none.

No pool tips, and owner took the tip the couple left.

Yes, I'm the waiter in this scenario. I feel I might be biased, so I tried to write my post as a neutral party.

Reminds me of an AZ restaurant on Kitchen nightmares from a while back.. Amy's baking Company. owner pocketed tips

Gordon Ramsey

 

[Captain Cranks]

No pool tips, and owner took the tip the couple left.

Yes, I'm the waiter in this scenario. I feel I might be biased, so I tried to write my post as a neutral party.

This can't be the first time this has happened. What do you suggest should be the protocol in this situation?

 

[massraider]

Let's say a pizzeria has 10 tables(total of 44 seats) for dining in, plus a 10 stool bar.

This pizzeria has 5 workers: The husband/wife team(husband is the chef, wife is general all around 'whatever needs to be done'), a dishwasher, an employee who handles phone duties as well as helps husband with kitchen duties(makes salads, fryer, etc.), and a waiter.

Very busy pizzeria, and the phone is constantly ringing to place to-go orders. Wife, employee who handles phone and helps in kitchen, and waiter are asked to answer phones as needed.

Situation: Waiter answers phone, and is presently taking an order to-go. Couple comes in and sits down for dine in. Wife sits them and proceeds to wait on them. Waiter is off the phone within 60 seconds, and 'misses out' on potential tip from table that came in while he was on the phone.

ETA: Tips are not pooled, and wife/owner kept tip from the table.

Thoughts?

Bounce. They should be hoping staff makes as much money as possible, so they don't need to replace you. Instead they are nickel and diming you, and only a moron would not think it would not bother you.
If they get another chance to screw you out of money, they will. I worked for a large group who was found to have screwed staff out of tips from events, and the Labor Department got involved. The owner was a friend of 15 years. He literally stole money from me.

It's a buyer's market for restaurant staff. Keep the job until you find a new one, only an idiot quits a job ina blaze of glory with no job waiting for them. Get on Indeed.com, wherever you are there are places who need servers.

 

[FairWarning]

Let's say a pizzeria has 10 tables(total of 44 seats) for dining in, plus a 10 stool bar.

This pizzeria has 5 workers: The husband/wife team(husband is the chef, wife is general all around 'whatever needs to be done'), a dishwasher, an employee who handles phone duties as well as helps husband with kitchen duties(makes salads, fryer, etc.), and a waiter.

Very busy pizzeria, and the phone is constantly ringing to place to-go orders. Wife, employee who handles phone and helps in kitchen, and waiter are asked to answer phones as needed.

Situation: Waiter answers phone, and is presently taking an order to-go. Couple comes in and sits down for dine in. Wife sits them and proceeds to wait on them. Waiter is off the phone within 60 seconds, and 'misses out' on potential tip from table that came in while he was on the phone.

ETA: Tips are not pooled, and wife/owner kept tip from the table.

Thoughts?

Did they keep the tip for themselves or for the waiter?

 

[Dezbelief]

Let's say a pizzeria has 10 tables(total of 44 seats) for dining in, plus a 10 stool bar.

This pizzeria has 5 workers: The husband/wife team(husband is the chef, wife is general all around 'whatever needs to be done'), a dishwasher, an employee who handles phone duties as well as helps husband with kitchen duties(makes salads, fryer, etc.), and a waiter.

Very busy pizzeria, and the phone is constantly ringing to place to-go orders. Wife, employee who handles phone and helps in kitchen, and waiter are asked to answer phones as needed.

Situation: Waiter answers phone, and is presently taking an order to-go. Couple comes in and sits down for dine in. Wife sits them and proceeds to wait on them. Waiter is off the phone within 60 seconds, and 'misses out' on potential tip from table that came in while he was on the phone.

Thoughts?

They probably pool tips and it’s likely the owner takes none.

No pool tips, and owner took the tip the couple left.

Yes, I'm the waiter in this scenario. I feel I might be biased, so I tried to write my post as a neutral party.

If the place was packed and I was overwhelmed I would be thankful for the help. If I wasn't overwhelmed I would be less likely to answer the phone in the future.

 

[FairWarning]

Let's say a pizzeria has 10 tables(total of 44 seats) for dining in, plus a 10 stool bar.

This pizzeria has 5 workers: The husband/wife team(husband is the chef, wife is general all around 'whatever needs to be done'), a dishwasher, an employee who handles phone duties as well as helps husband with kitchen duties(makes salads, fryer, etc.), and a waiter.

Very busy pizzeria, and the phone is constantly ringing to place to-go orders. Wife, employee who handles phone and helps in kitchen, and waiter are asked to answer phones as needed.

Situation: Waiter answers phone, and is presently taking an order to-go. Couple comes in and sits down for dine in. Wife sits them and proceeds to wait on them. Waiter is off the phone within 60 seconds, and 'misses out' on potential tip from table that came in while he was on the phone.

ETA: Tips are not pooled, and wife/owner kept tip from the table.

Thoughts?

Bounce. They should be hoping staff makes as much money as possible, so they don't need to replace you. Instead they are nickel and diming you, and only a moron would not think it would not bother you.
If they get another chance to screw you out of money, they will. I worked for a large group who was found to have screwed staff out of tips from events, and the Labor Department got involved. The owner was a friend of 15 years. He literally stole money from me.

It's a buyer's market for restaurant staff. Keep the job until you find a new one, only an idiot quits a job ina blaze of glory with no job waiting for them. Get on Indeed.com, wherever you are there are places who need servers.

The back of the house can name their price right now.

 

[Hastur]

Let's say a pizzeria has 10 tables(total of 44 seats) for dining in, plus a 10 stool bar.

This pizzeria has 5 workers: The husband/wife team(husband is the chef, wife is general all around 'whatever needs to be done'), a dishwasher, an employee who handles phone duties as well as helps husband with kitchen duties(makes salads, fryer, etc.), and a waiter.

Very busy pizzeria, and the phone is constantly ringing to place to-go orders. Wife, employee who handles phone and helps in kitchen, and waiter are asked to answer phones as needed.

Situation: Waiter answers phone, and is presently taking an order to-go. Couple comes in and sits down for dine in. Wife sits them and proceeds to wait on them. Waiter is off the phone within 60 seconds, and 'misses out' on potential tip from table that came in while he was on the phone.

ETA: Tips are not pooled, and wife/owner kept tip from the table.

Thoughts?

Did they keep the tip for themselves or for the waiter?

For themselves.

 

[eoMMan]

I’d probably let this one slide but would discuss with the husband/wife. This situation would obviously discourage me from answering the phone going forward.

 

[Navin Johnson]

I’d probably let this one slide but would discuss with the husband/wife. This situation would obviously discourage me from answering the phone going forward.

As someone else posted above., this isn't the first time it has happened, it's the first time he caught them.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Let's say a pizzeria has 10 tables(total of 44 seats) for dining in, plus a 10 stool bar.

This pizzeria has 5 workers: The husband/wife team(husband is the chef, wife is general all around 'whatever needs to be done'), a dishwasher, an employee who handles phone duties as well as helps husband with kitchen duties(makes salads, fryer, etc.), and a waiter.

Very busy pizzeria, and the phone is constantly ringing to place to-go orders. Wife, employee who handles phone and helps in kitchen, and waiter are asked to answer phones as needed.

Situation: Waiter answers phone, and is presently taking an order to-go. Couple comes in and sits down for dine in. Wife sits them and proceeds to wait on them. Waiter is off the phone within 60 seconds, and 'misses out' on potential tip from table that came in while he was on the phone.

ETA: Tips are not pooled, and wife/owner kept tip from the table.

Thoughts?

Bounce. They should be hoping staff makes as much money as possible, so they don't need to replace you. Instead they are nickel and diming you, and only a moron would not think it would not bother you.
If they get another chance to screw you out of money, they will. I worked for a large group who was found to have screwed staff out of tips from events, and the Labor Department got involved. The owner was a friend of 15 years. He literally stole money from me.

It's a buyer's market for restaurant staff. Keep the job until you find a new one, only an idiot quits a job ina blaze of glory with no job waiting for them. Get on Indeed.com, wherever you are there are places who need servers.

This x100000

I’m in the biz. Go get another job.