Yet another Pitt Bull attack (1 Viewer)

[Zow]

Do you pit defenders at least agree the gun analogy is spot on? Bc your defense of the attacks are essentially that the owners didn't appropriately house/store their dogs and didn't appropriately use them. This seems to be the same thing gun proponents argue in the sense that a gun may not be locked up right, kids not taught properly, etc.

If so, do any of you agree with gun bans?

 

[The Captain]

on and on it goes

Please keep defending this worthless breed.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/05/31/3281988/rock-hill-boy-recovering-after.html

We have not had an official dog expert classify the breed at a pit bull.It's the reporters, not the breed!!!!!1

I know this is a snide comment to those stupidly suggesting that these attacks aren't all technically from pit bulls as if it matters, but this was confirmed by the vet who put the dog down. The sad thing about this story is the dog owner and the victim were very good friends (the families that is). The owner's lucky the dog didn't get to his kids. They are much smaller (2-3 years old).

this is clearly the dog's fault, the dog that was raised and trained so well that it was on a cable in the yard. just go ahead and put down the owner too.

I'm not interested in the stupid little slap fights going on in here. Try and fish someone else. Not here to assign blame to anyone or anything, just pointing out the tragedy.

you're just pointing out the tragedy? by saying the vet confirmed the breed of the dog, you're just pointing out the tragedy? who is fishing whom here?

I'm just pointing out that this dog was on a chain in the backyard. JC, read these stories. an unnuetered 3-5 year old pitbull, dogs on chains, dogs left alone with kids. people clearly have no idea what it takes to raise a well-trained, socialized dog. yes, a pitbull will do more damage than most dogs, but there are common themes in these stories. go get a lab and chain it up in your backyard, don't neuter him, and let a neighborhood kid go in its space and see what happens. the ignorance in this thread is through the roof.

I got a lab, it couldnt do what these Pits do on his very best day.You could kick my wife (who has fed him every meal of his 10 years), take his squeaky, eat his food out of his bowl, steal his bone, slap him in his uneutered balls, burn his bed and rip the BegginStrips from his teeth and he couldn't inflict 1/10th of the damage of a Pit. Further more, he wouldnt try because its not bred into him to kill or be killed.

I own a 4 year old female dog of the dreaded "pitbull mix" variety. You could do all of those things to her as well and she would react the same way as your lab. In fact, while walking my viscous pitbull mix on Wednesday a 12 year old, uneutered chocolate lab ran out of its owners garage, with the owner in full sprint behind the dog, and jumped on my dog. The owner was screaming "HE'S HARMLESS" as he ran after his dog. He pulled the lab off my dog before anything could happen, and he apolgoized over and over. My dog didn't seem all that scared, but she did hide behind me after the lab was corralled. Not saying labs are dangerous animals in general, but I find your post a bit ironic in light of what I experienced Wednesday. All breeds can be aggressive.

Maybe my Pitbull is so gentle because our Lab (may he rest in peace) was such a big influence on her as a puppy.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

on and on it goes

Please keep defending this worthless breed.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/05/31/3281988/rock-hill-boy-recovering-after.html

We have not had an official dog expert classify the breed at a pit bull.It's the reporters, not the breed!!!!!1

I know this is a snide comment to those stupidly suggesting that these attacks aren't all technically from pit bulls as if it matters, but this was confirmed by the vet who put the dog down. The sad thing about this story is the dog owner and the victim were very good friends (the families that is). The owner's lucky the dog didn't get to his kids. They are much smaller (2-3 years old).

this is clearly the dog's fault, the dog that was raised and trained so well that it was on a cable in the yard. just go ahead and put down the owner too.

I'm not interested in the stupid little slap fights going on in here. Try and fish someone else. Not here to assign blame to anyone or anything, just pointing out the tragedy.

you're just pointing out the tragedy? by saying the vet confirmed the breed of the dog, you're just pointing out the tragedy? who is fishing whom here?

I'm just pointing out that this dog was on a chain in the backyard. JC, read these stories. an unnuetered 3-5 year old pitbull, dogs on chains, dogs left alone with kids. people clearly have no idea what it takes to raise a well-trained, socialized dog. yes, a pitbull will do more damage than most dogs, but there are common themes in these stories. go get a lab and chain it up in your backyard, don't neuter him, and let a neighborhood kid go in its space and see what happens. the ignorance in this thread is through the roof.

I got a lab, it couldnt do what these Pits do on his very best day.You could kick my wife (who has fed him every meal of his 10 years), take his squeaky, eat his food out of his bowl, steal his bone, slap him in his uneutered balls, burn his bed and rip the BegginStrips from his teeth and he couldn't inflict 1/10th of the damage of a Pit. Further more, he wouldnt try because its not bred into him to kill or be killed.

I own a 4 year old female dog of the dreaded "pitbull mix" variety. You could do all of those things to her as well and she would react the same way as your lab. In fact, while walking my viscous pitbull mix on Wednesday a 12 year old, uneutered chocolate lab ran out of its owners garage, with the owner in full sprint behind the dog, and jumped on my dog. The owner was screaming "HE'S HARMLESS" as he ran after his dog. He pulled the lab off my dog before anything could happen, and he apolgoized over and over. My dog didn't seem all that scared, but she did hide behind me after the lab was corralled. Not saying labs are dangerous animals in general, but I find your post a bit ironic in light of what I experienced Wednesday. All breeds can be aggressive.

Maybe my Pitbull is so gentle because our Lab (may he rest in peace) was such a big influence on her as a puppy.

All animals are dangerous. But not all animals are dangerous to the same degree. And not all animals have been specifically bred to kill-or-be-killed.

 

[Zow]

Yeah I don't support the lab distinction either. Sure they can probably be better trained as service dogs but in my experience they are just as aggressive. Heck it was one of those things that hospitalized me the second time.

Btw for full disclosure my fiancée and I just moved in together and she has a mix with some pit bull in it so I'm technically a pit owner now. Thank goodness the dog is a huge wimp so no issues so far but I'm really hoping nothing ever happens bc I'll talk the bystander/pedestrians side everytime.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Do you pit defenders at least agree the gun analogy is spot on? Bc your defense of the attacks are essentially that the owners didn't appropriately house/store their dogs and didn't appropriately use them. This seems to be the same thing gun proponents argue in the sense that a gun may not be locked up right, kids not taught properly, etc. If so, do any of you agree with gun bans?

I'd agree with the analogy. It is irresponsible gun owners who let bad things happen with their guns.

 

[Chaka]

Ban the breed and all you do is change the name of the breed in the headline.

Mission accomplished?

 

[god_shamgod]

Ban the breed and all you do is change the name of the breed in the headline.Mission accomplished?

Yep.part of the problem i see now is the sheer number of pitbulls out there. i see every idiot on the street with them now. the greater the quantity the greater the chance of an irresponsible owner. i would guess that when rotty's were all the headlines they were much more popular than pitbulls. Also the cool tough guy image dogs unfortunately tend to find owners that are complete dumbasses.

 

[Chaka]

Ban the breed and all you do is change the name of the breed in the headline.Mission accomplished?

Yep.part of the problem i see now is the sheer number of pitbulls out there. i see every idiot on the street with them now. the greater the quantity the greater the chance of an irresponsible owner. i would guess that when rotty's were all the headlines they were much more popular than pitbulls. Also the cool tough guy image dogs unfortunately tend to find owners that are complete dumbasses.

Ban the breed and change the breed the idiots on the street are walking around with.Mission accomplished?

 

[Exit 1]

on and on it goesPlease keep defending this worthless breed.http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/05/31/3281988/rock-hill-boy-recovering-after.html

This is from the article....

Dallas was housed in Oneppo’s backyard, Stuber said, and situated on a cable rigged with a clamp and pair of pliers. The cable was covered in plastic, making it easy for the dog to slip out.“I can’t imagine why (the owner) thought that cable could hold that animal,” Stuber said.

You can clearly see that the owner is the one at fault here.It's like leaving a loaded gun out for the kid to play with. Are you going to blame the gun or the idiot who left it out?

 

[Charlie Frown]

on and on it goes

Please keep defending this worthless breed.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/05/31/3281988/rock-hill-boy-recovering-after.html

We have not had an official dog expert classify the breed at a pit bull.It's the reporters, not the breed!!!!!1

I know this is a snide comment to those stupidly suggesting that these attacks aren't all technically from pit bulls as if it matters, but this was confirmed by the vet who put the dog down. The sad thing about this story is the dog owner and the victim were very good friends (the families that is). The owner's lucky the dog didn't get to his kids. They are much smaller (2-3 years old).

this is clearly the dog's fault, the dog that was raised and trained so well that it was on a cable in the yard. just go ahead and put down the owner too.

I'm not interested in the stupid little slap fights going on in here. Try and fish someone else. Not here to assign blame to anyone or anything, just pointing out the tragedy.

you're just pointing out the tragedy? by saying the vet confirmed the breed of the dog, you're just pointing out the tragedy? who is fishing whom here?

I'm just pointing out that this dog was on a chain in the backyard. JC, read these stories. an unnuetered 3-5 year old pitbull, dogs on chains, dogs left alone with kids. people clearly have no idea what it takes to raise a well-trained, socialized dog. yes, a pitbull will do more damage than most dogs, but there are common themes in these stories. go get a lab and chain it up in your backyard, don't neuter him, and let a neighborhood kid go in its space and see what happens. the ignorance in this thread is through the roof.

I got a lab, it couldnt do what these Pits do on his very best day.You could kick my wife (who has fed him every meal of his 10 years), take his squeaky, eat his food out of his bowl, steal his bone, slap him in his uneutered balls, burn his bed and rip the BegginStrips from his teeth and he couldn't inflict 1/10th of the damage of a Pit. Further more, he wouldnt try because its not bred into him to kill or be killed.

I own a 4 year old female dog of the dreaded "pitbull mix" variety. You could do all of those things to her as well and she would react the same way as your lab. In fact, while walking my viscous pitbull mix on Wednesday a 12 year old, uneutered chocolate lab ran out of its owners garage, with the owner in full sprint behind the dog, and jumped on my dog. The owner was screaming "HE'S HARMLESS" as he ran after his dog. He pulled the lab off my dog before anything could happen, and he apolgoized over and over. My dog didn't seem all that scared, but she did hide behind me after the lab was corralled. Not saying labs are dangerous animals in general, but I find your post a bit ironic in light of what I experienced Wednesday. All breeds can be aggressive.

Maybe my Pitbull is so gentle because our Lab (may he rest in peace) was such a big influence on her as a puppy.

Psst. If you can slap her balls it isn't a girl. Just sayin'.

 

[The Captain]

on and on it goes

Please keep defending this worthless breed.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/05/31/3281988/rock-hill-boy-recovering-after.html

We have not had an official dog expert classify the breed at a pit bull.It's the reporters, not the breed!!!!!1

I know this is a snide comment to those stupidly suggesting that these attacks aren't all technically from pit bulls as if it matters, but this was confirmed by the vet who put the dog down. The sad thing about this story is the dog owner and the victim were very good friends (the families that is). The owner's lucky the dog didn't get to his kids. They are much smaller (2-3 years old).

this is clearly the dog's fault, the dog that was raised and trained so well that it was on a cable in the yard. just go ahead and put down the owner too.

I'm not interested in the stupid little slap fights going on in here. Try and fish someone else. Not here to assign blame to anyone or anything, just pointing out the tragedy.

you're just pointing out the tragedy? by saying the vet confirmed the breed of the dog, you're just pointing out the tragedy? who is fishing whom here?

I'm just pointing out that this dog was on a chain in the backyard. JC, read these stories. an unnuetered 3-5 year old pitbull, dogs on chains, dogs left alone with kids. people clearly have no idea what it takes to raise a well-trained, socialized dog. yes, a pitbull will do more damage than most dogs, but there are common themes in these stories. go get a lab and chain it up in your backyard, don't neuter him, and let a neighborhood kid go in its space and see what happens. the ignorance in this thread is through the roof.

I got a lab, it couldnt do what these Pits do on his very best day.You could kick my wife (who has fed him every meal of his 10 years), take his squeaky, eat his food out of his bowl, steal his bone, slap him in his uneutered balls, burn his bed and rip the BegginStrips from his teeth and he couldn't inflict 1/10th of the damage of a Pit. Further more, he wouldnt try because its not bred into him to kill or be killed.

I own a 4 year old female dog of the dreaded "pitbull mix" variety. You could do all of those things to her as well and she would react the same way as your lab. In fact, while walking my viscous pitbull mix on Wednesday a 12 year old, uneutered chocolate lab ran out of its owners garage, with the owner in full sprint behind the dog, and jumped on my dog. The owner was screaming "HE'S HARMLESS" as he ran after his dog. He pulled the lab off my dog before anything could happen, and he apolgoized over and over. My dog didn't seem all that scared, but she did hide behind me after the lab was corralled. Not saying labs are dangerous animals in general, but I find your post a bit ironic in light of what I experienced Wednesday. All breeds can be aggressive.

Maybe my Pitbull is so gentle because our Lab (may he rest in peace) was such a big influence on her as a puppy.

Psst. If you can slap her balls it isn't a girl. Just sayin'.

touche'

 

[MTskibum]

According to the June 1994 Pediatrics Journal, 95% of dog attacks unneutered males

http://www.helpinghomelesspets.com/preventinghomelesspets/prevention.htm

 

[Charlie Frown]

I wonder if Dookie Jankins gotsa pittbull?

 

[3C's]

I got a lab, it couldnt do what these Pits do on his very best day.

You could kick my wife (who has fed him every meal of his 10 years), take his squeaky, eat his food out of his bowl, steal his bone, slap him in his uneutered balls, burn his bed and rip the BegginStrips from his teeth and he couldn't inflict 1/10th of the damage of a Pit. Further more, he wouldnt try because its not bred into him to kill or be killed.

"couldn't do what these pits do"what does that mean exactly? are you talking about bite strength? Dr. Brady Barr of Nat Geo did bite tests on many animals, including humans. Humans had a 120psi bite. The APBT tested had 235psi. Dogs on average had 320.

and they weren't bred to "kill or be killed." ones TRAINED in dog fighting will kill or be killed, usually only other animals as that's what they were trained (not bred) to do. guard dogs that are trained to kill, like akitas, german shepherds, rotties and dobermans will kill. these stories in the media of dog attacks focus now on "pit bulls" (even though they're often mixed breeds and misidentified). Historically, going by media accounts, collies used to be one of the most vicious breeds. then german shepherds, then dobermans, great danes, rotties. dobermans were "ruthless attack dogs" in the 70s and now you never hear about them. Did they all of a sudden become super friendly? Or did the media move their focus onto "pit bulls" when irresponsible jackasses moved on to the dog du jour?

p.s. I own a lab and she's one of the meanest dogs I've ever seen. Mostly territorial but she came from a bad situation. We've worked with her quite a bit and she's come a long way, but I wouldn't leave her alone with "outsiders", especially not young ones.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Ban the breed and all you do is change the name of the breed in the headline.Mission accomplished?

I don't really care what freaking breed it is, the day a dog meaningfully harms either of my kids is the day I go Charles Bronson on irresponsible dog owners.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

and they weren't bred to "kill or be killed."

Yes they were. Specifically.

 

[parasaurolophus]

I got a lab, it couldnt do what these Pits do on his very best day.

You could kick my wife (who has fed him every meal of his 10 years), take his squeaky, eat his food out of his bowl, steal his bone, slap him in his uneutered balls, burn his bed and rip the BegginStrips from his teeth and he couldn't inflict 1/10th of the damage of a Pit. Further more, he wouldnt try because its not bred into him to kill or be killed.

"couldn't do what these pits do"what does that mean exactly? are you talking about bite strength? Dr. Brady Barr of Nat Geo did bite tests on many animals, including humans. Humans had a 120psi bite. The APBT tested had 235psi. Dogs on average had 320.

and they weren't bred to "kill or be killed." ones TRAINED in dog fighting will kill or be killed, usually only other animals as that's what they were trained (not bred) to do. guard dogs that are trained to kill, like akitas, german shepherds, rotties and dobermans will kill. these stories in the media of dog attacks focus now on "pit bulls" (even though they're often mixed breeds and misidentified). Historically, going by media accounts, collies used to be one of the most vicious breeds. then german shepherds, then dobermans, great danes, rotties. dobermans were "ruthless attack dogs" in the 70s and now you never hear about them. Did they all of a sudden become super friendly? Or did the media move their focus onto "pit bulls" when irresponsible jackasses moved on to the dog du jour?

p.s. I own a lab and she's one of the meanest dogs I've ever seen. Mostly territorial but she came from a bad situation. We've worked with her quite a bit and she's come a long way, but I wouldn't leave her alone with "outsiders", especially not young ones.

This is a horribly misleading post. If by "dogs on average" you mean the average between a pit bull, a german shepherd, and a rottweiler, then yes you are correct.

 

[The Captain]

and they weren't bred to "kill or be killed."

Yes they were. Specifically.

Bred to kill rats. Not people or other dogs.

 

[parasaurolophus]

and they weren't bred to "kill or be killed."

Yes they were. Specifically.

Bred to kill rats. Not people or other dogs.

They werent bred to kill rats. They were enhanced to kill rats at a faster pace.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

and they weren't bred to "kill or be killed."

Yes they were. Specifically.

Bred to kill rats. Not people or other dogs.

The dog was bred first to bait bulls and bears.Baiting or dog baiting most commonly refers to the act of setting game dogs against a chained or confined animal for sport.

The dogs bite, and tear to subdue the opposing animal by incapacitating or killing it.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

and they weren't bred to "kill or be killed."

Yes they were. Specifically.

Bred to kill rats. Not people or other dogs.

The dog was bred first to bait bulls and bears.Baiting or dog baiting most commonly refers to the act of setting game dogs against a chained or confined animal for sport.

The dogs bite, and tear to subdue the opposing animal by incapacitating or killing it.

And in the case of the Pitbull, those that failed to kill the target were put to death and not allowed to breed. Only those that finished by killing its target were bred to keep that trait (specifically killing) inherent to its breed.

 

[3C's]

I got a lab, it couldnt do what these Pits do on his very best day.

You could kick my wife (who has fed him every meal of his 10 years), take his squeaky, eat his food out of his bowl, steal his bone, slap him in his uneutered balls, burn his bed and rip the BegginStrips from his teeth and he couldn't inflict 1/10th of the damage of a Pit. Further more, he wouldnt try because its not bred into him to kill or be killed.

"couldn't do what these pits do"what does that mean exactly? are you talking about bite strength? Dr. Brady Barr of Nat Geo did bite tests on many animals, including humans. Humans had a 120psi bite. The APBT tested had 235psi. Dogs on average had 320.

and they weren't bred to "kill or be killed." ones TRAINED in dog fighting will kill or be killed, usually only other animals as that's what they were trained (not bred) to do. guard dogs that are trained to kill, like akitas, german shepherds, rotties and dobermans will kill. these stories in the media of dog attacks focus now on "pit bulls" (even though they're often mixed breeds and misidentified). Historically, going by media accounts, collies used to be one of the most vicious breeds. then german shepherds, then dobermans, great danes, rotties. dobermans were "ruthless attack dogs" in the 70s and now you never hear about them. Did they all of a sudden become super friendly? Or did the media move their focus onto "pit bulls" when irresponsible jackasses moved on to the dog du jour?

p.s. I own a lab and she's one of the meanest dogs I've ever seen. Mostly territorial but she came from a bad situation. We've worked with her quite a bit and she's come a long way, but I wouldn't leave her alone with "outsiders", especially not young ones.

This is a horribly misleading post. If by "dogs on average" you mean the average between a pit bull, a german shepherd, and a rottweiler, then yes you are correct.

Horribly misleading? It's exactly what it says on their site. Don't blame me for not presenting all the info. I mean it is what happens repeatedly here. Max bite pressure for the APBT was 235 and was 127 (right at the lab bite pressure) on the first special. The dogs tested averaged 320. I'm just trying to figure out what it is that "pit bulls" can do that his lab can't. Plenty of stories of labs or lab mixes attacking people or other animals.

 

[3C's]

and they weren't bred to "kill or be killed."

Yes they were. Specifically.

Bred to kill rats. Not people or other dogs.

The dog was bred first to bait bulls and bears.Baiting or dog baiting most commonly refers to the act of setting game dogs against a chained or confined animal for sport.

The dogs bite, and tear to subdue the opposing animal by incapacitating or killing it.

Bred initially to bait bulls, then rats. Then due to their good nature and temperament and loyalty became a popular choice for domesticated situations. You're making them out to be bred to kill anything moving which just is not the case.

 

[Mister CIA]

and they weren't bred to "kill or be killed."

Yes they were. Specifically.

Bred to kill rats. Not people or other dogs.

The dog was bred first to bait bulls and bears.Baiting or dog baiting most commonly refers to the act of setting game dogs against a chained or confined animal for sport.

The dogs bite, and tear to subdue the opposing animal by incapacitating or killing it.

And in the case of the Pitbull, those that failed to kill the target were put to death and not allowed to breed. Only those that finished by killing its target were bred to keep that trait (specifically killing) inherent to its breed.

Pitbulls that show aggression towards humans are quickly culled by dog fighters. I might be wrong, but I believe that it is this lack of human aggression is what makes pitbulls so popular among dog fighters. Why are bigger, meaner, stronger dogs not more prevalent in dog fighting culture?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

but I believe that it is this lack of human aggression is what makes pitbulls so popular among dog fighters.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

A Waxhaw man was sentenced to two years in prison after changing his plea to guilty Friday in the death case of 5-year-old Makayla Woodard.

Michael Brandon Gordon changed his plea from not guilty to guilty during jury selection on Friday, according to a news release from the Union County District Attorney's Office.

Gordon was sentenced Tuesday to 20-24 months in a N.C. Department of Corrections facility.

The crime occurred on January 12, 2011 at the home of 5-year-old Makayla Woodard, the victim in the case. The defendant owned two full grown pit bulls who were not properly restrained pursuant to Waxhaw Town Ordinance.

According to witnesses, several people had warned the defendant that the dogs were dangerous. On the morning of January 12, Makayla went out to play in the snow in her yard and was attacked by the two pit bulls, suffering injuries covering her entire body and a fatal injury to her throat.

http://www.wbtv.com/story/18648837/man-pleads-guilty-sentenced-to-two-years-in-prison-for-pitbull-abuse

 

[3C's]

A Waxhaw man was sentenced to two years in prison after changing his plea to guilty Friday in the death case of 5-year-old Makayla Woodard.

Michael Brandon Gordon changed his plea from not guilty to guilty during jury selection on Friday, according to a news release from the Union County District Attorney's Office.

Gordon was sentenced Tuesday to 20-24 months in a N.C. Department of Corrections facility.

The crime occurred on January 12, 2011 at the home of 5-year-old Makayla Woodard, the victim in the case. The defendant owned two full grown pit bulls who were not properly restrained pursuant to Waxhaw Town Ordinance.

According to witnesses, several people had warned the defendant that the dogs were dangerous. On the morning of January 12, Makayla went out to play in the snow in her yard and was attacked by the two pit bulls, suffering injuries covering her entire body and a fatal injury to her throat.

http://www.wbtv.com/story/18648837/man-pleads-guilty-sentenced-to-two-years-in-prison-for-pitbull-abuse

You're reiterating exactly what the defenders have been saying. It's not the breed, it's the owner. Here we have a 24yo idiot who's been warned multiple times that his dogs are dangerous and are not properly restrained. They've been allowed multiple times to roam the neighborhood. In essence they're "resident" dogs, not family pets, kept outside as "tough" guard dogs, and in this case it was cold enough for snow so they shouldn't have been outside. Any large dog kept outside with little to no human interaction becomes a threat. Time and time again the dogs who attack are "resident" dogs that are kept outside. Here's your friendly lab out roaming the neighborhood. http://manassas.patch.com/articles/three-children-taken-to-hospital-after-dog-attacks

This is an example of the media bias and their blatant efforts to create hysteria:

August 18, 2007 — A Labrador mix attacked a 70-year-old man, sending him to the hospital in critical condition. Police officers arrived at the scene and the dog was shot after charging the officers. This incident was reported in one article in the local paper.

August 21, 2007 — A 59-year-old woman was attacked in her home by two pit bulls and was hospitalized with severe, but not fatal, injuries. This attack was reported in over 230 articles in national and international newspapers, as well as major television news networks including CNN, MSNBC and Fox.

Then, as seen in this report which researches fatal dog attacks, you can see that 1) dogs reported as pit bulls can often not positively be identified as pit bulls (but the media jumps right at the chance to ID them as such) and 2) in one case have been positively been proven by dna to not be pit bulls. 11 dogs positively ID'd and of those 11 fatalities there were 8 different breeds.

http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/uploaded_files/tinymce/2010%20DBRF%20Report_Final.pdf

 

[BigSteelThrill]

A Waxhaw man was sentenced to two years in prison after changing his plea to guilty Friday in the death case of 5-year-old Makayla Woodard.

Michael Brandon Gordon changed his plea from not guilty to guilty during jury selection on Friday, according to a news release from the Union County District Attorney's Office.

Gordon was sentenced Tuesday to 20-24 months in a N.C. Department of Corrections facility.

The crime occurred on January 12, 2011 at the home of 5-year-old Makayla Woodard, the victim in the case. The defendant owned two full grown pit bulls who were not properly restrained pursuant to Waxhaw Town Ordinance.

According to witnesses, several people had warned the defendant that the dogs were dangerous. On the morning of January 12, Makayla went out to play in the snow in her yard and was attacked by the two pit bulls, suffering injuries covering her entire body and a fatal injury to her throat.

http://www.wbtv.com/story/18648837/man-pleads-guilty-sentenced-to-two-years-in-prison-for-pitbull-abuse

You're reiterating exactly what the defenders have been saying. It's not the breed, it's the owner. Here we have a 24yo idiot who's been warned multiple times that his dogs are dangerous and are not properly restrained. They've been allowed multiple times to roam the neighborhood. In essence they're "resident" dogs, not family pets, kept outside as "tough" guard dogs, and in this case it was cold enough for snow so they shouldn't have been outside. Any large dog kept outside with little to no human interaction becomes a threat. Time and time again the dogs who attack are "resident" dogs that are kept outside. Here's your friendly lab out roaming the neighborhood. http://manassas.patch.com/articles/three-children-taken-to-hospital-after-dog-attacks

This is an example of the media bias and their blatant efforts to create hysteria:

August 18, 2007 — A Labrador mix attacked a 70-year-old man, sending him to the hospital in critical condition. Police officers arrived at the scene and the dog was shot after charging the officers. This incident was reported in one article in the local paper.

August 21, 2007 — A 59-year-old woman was attacked in her home by two pit bulls and was hospitalized with severe, but not fatal, injuries. This attack was reported in over 230 articles in national and international newspapers, as well as major television news networks including CNN, MSNBC and Fox.

Then, as seen in this report which researches fatal dog attacks, you can see that 1) dogs reported as pit bulls can often not positively be identified as pit bulls (but the media jumps right at the chance to ID them as such) and 2) in one case have been positively been proven by dna to not be pit bulls. 11 dogs positively ID'd and of those 11 fatalities there were 8 different breeds.

http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/uploaded_files/tinymce/2010%20DBRF%20Report_Final.pdf

The article may be somewhat reiterating it. But I wasn't. I didnt say anything in that post.I did want to bold the ludicrous nature that the owner only gets 2 years, when it was known he had timebombs that were just waiting to explode.

 

[3C's]

A Waxhaw man was sentenced to two years in prison after changing his plea to guilty Friday in the death case of 5-year-old Makayla Woodard.

Michael Brandon Gordon changed his plea from not guilty to guilty during jury selection on Friday, according to a news release from the Union County District Attorney's Office.

Gordon was sentenced Tuesday to 20-24 months in a N.C. Department of Corrections facility.

The crime occurred on January 12, 2011 at the home of 5-year-old Makayla Woodard, the victim in the case. The defendant owned two full grown pit bulls who were not properly restrained pursuant to Waxhaw Town Ordinance.

According to witnesses, several people had warned the defendant that the dogs were dangerous. On the morning of January 12, Makayla went out to play in the snow in her yard and was attacked by the two pit bulls, suffering injuries covering her entire body and a fatal injury to her throat.

http://www.wbtv.com/story/18648837/man-pleads-guilty-sentenced-to-two-years-in-prison-for-pitbull-abuse

You're reiterating exactly what the defenders have been saying. It's not the breed, it's the owner. Here we have a 24yo idiot who's been warned multiple times that his dogs are dangerous and are not properly restrained. They've been allowed multiple times to roam the neighborhood. In essence they're "resident" dogs, not family pets, kept outside as "tough" guard dogs, and in this case it was cold enough for snow so they shouldn't have been outside. Any large dog kept outside with little to no human interaction becomes a threat. Time and time again the dogs who attack are "resident" dogs that are kept outside. Here's your friendly lab out roaming the neighborhood. http://manassas.patch.com/articles/three-children-taken-to-hospital-after-dog-attacks

This is an example of the media bias and their blatant efforts to create hysteria:

August 18, 2007 — A Labrador mix attacked a 70-year-old man, sending him to the hospital in critical condition. Police officers arrived at the scene and the dog was shot after charging the officers. This incident was reported in one article in the local paper.

August 21, 2007 — A 59-year-old woman was attacked in her home by two pit bulls and was hospitalized with severe, but not fatal, injuries. This attack was reported in over 230 articles in national and international newspapers, as well as major television news networks including CNN, MSNBC and Fox.

Then, as seen in this report which researches fatal dog attacks, you can see that 1) dogs reported as pit bulls can often not positively be identified as pit bulls (but the media jumps right at the chance to ID them as such) and 2) in one case have been positively been proven by dna to not be pit bulls. 11 dogs positively ID'd and of those 11 fatalities there were 8 different breeds.

http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/uploaded_files/tinymce/2010%20DBRF%20Report_Final.pdf

The article may be somewhat reiterating it. But I wasn't. I didnt say anything in that post.I did want to bold the ludicrous nature that the owner only gets 2 years, when it was known he had timebombs that were just waiting to explode.

Exactly. Punish the deed, not the breed. There are hundreds of thousands of socially stable APBTs and a handful of problem dogs yet some want to ban the entire breed. It makes no sense. As has been said time and time again, the people who allow dogs like the ones in your story to exist will just move on to another dangerous dog. I think making it a financial challenge (i.e. tax) to own breeds deemed dangerous would work much better than bans.

 

[pantherclub]

A Waxhaw man was sentenced to two years in prison after changing his plea to guilty Friday in the death case of 5-year-old Makayla Woodard.

Michael Brandon Gordon changed his plea from not guilty to guilty during jury selection on Friday, according to a news release from the Union County District Attorney's Office.

Gordon was sentenced Tuesday to 20-24 months in a N.C. Department of Corrections facility.

The crime occurred on January 12, 2011 at the home of 5-year-old Makayla Woodard, the victim in the case. The defendant owned two full grown pit bulls who were not properly restrained pursuant to Waxhaw Town Ordinance.

According to witnesses, several people had warned the defendant that the dogs were dangerous. On the morning of January 12, Makayla went out to play in the snow in her yard and was attacked by the two pit bulls, suffering injuries covering her entire body and a fatal injury to her throat.

http://www.wbtv.com/story/18648837/man-pleads-guilty-sentenced-to-two-years-in-prison-for-pitbull-abuse

You're reiterating exactly what the defenders have been saying. It's not the breed, it's the owner. Here we have a 24yo idiot who's been warned multiple times that his dogs are dangerous and are not properly restrained. They've been allowed multiple times to roam the neighborhood. In essence they're "resident" dogs, not family pets, kept outside as "tough" guard dogs, and in this case it was cold enough for snow so they shouldn't have been outside. Any large dog kept outside with little to no human interaction becomes a threat. Time and time again the dogs who attack are "resident" dogs that are kept outside. Here's your friendly lab out roaming the neighborhood. http://manassas.patch.com/articles/three-children-taken-to-hospital-after-dog-attacks

This is an example of the media bias and their blatant efforts to create hysteria:

August 18, 2007 — A Labrador mix attacked a 70-year-old man, sending him to the hospital in critical condition. Police officers arrived at the scene and the dog was shot after charging the officers. This incident was reported in one article in the local paper.

August 21, 2007 — A 59-year-old woman was attacked in her home by two pit bulls and was hospitalized with severe, but not fatal, injuries. This attack was reported in over 230 articles in national and international newspapers, as well as major television news networks including CNN, MSNBC and Fox.

Then, as seen in this report which researches fatal dog attacks, you can see that 1) dogs reported as pit bulls can often not positively be identified as pit bulls (but the media jumps right at the chance to ID them as such) and 2) in one case have been positively been proven by dna to not be pit bulls. 11 dogs positively ID'd and of those 11 fatalities there were 8 different breeds.

http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/uploaded_files/tinymce/2010%20DBRF%20Report_Final.pdf

Why are you blaming the media? Thats pretty weak and lazy. What vested interest do you think they have in portraying Pits as harmful?

 

[3C's]

Why hasn't this story been posted? No, not the lovable lab!!

http://shawlawfirm.net/lawyer/2012/04/24/Personal_Injury/Dog_Attack_bl4029.htm

Another example of a neglected abused dog which wasn't properly monitored.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Why hasn't this story been posted? No, not the lovable lab!!http://shawlawfirm.net/lawyer/2012/04/24/Personal_Injury/Dog_Attack_bl4029.htmAnother example of a neglected abused dog which wasn't properly monitored.

I stated eariler, all animals can be dangerous... but its not equal.

 

[3C's]

Why hasn't this story been posted? No, not the lovable lab!!

http://shawlawfirm.net/lawyer/2012/04/24/Personal_Injury/Dog_Attack_bl4029.htm

Another example of a neglected abused dog which wasn't properly monitored.

I stated eariler, all animals can be dangerous... but its not equal.

No, it's very equal. What isn't equal is the under reporting by the media, misrepresentation of dogs ID's as pit bulls when either they're not pit bulls or there's no evidence to report them as such but they still do (and when proven wrong there's no retraction), and the type of owners who choose pit bulls over labs and the conditions they are kept in.
http://www.dogexpert.com/Epidemiological%20abstracts/Stats%20analyze%20effectiveness%20BSL.html

"Is breed specific legislation effective in achieving its stated goals? If one reviews findings in the scientific literature addressing this question, the overwhelming conclusion is that it is not."

"The authors believe this gap exists in part because of the widespread fear people have of certain types of dogs, created largely through the dissemination of misinformation about dogs and through highly publicized events in which people are severely attacked or killed by a dog."

 

[The Commish]

I think this thread has officially jumped the shark

I have no idea what you guys are arguing. Now it's the media's fault that these animals are attacking people? I think we can all agree that all animals are instinctual animals. As such, there is always an element of uncertainty with regards to their behavior. Add on top of that the fact that some animals are more aggressive by nature thus less predictable than others and there you have it. Is it really that big of a deal?

 

[parasaurolophus]

Why hasn't this story been posted? No, not the lovable lab!!

http://shawlawfirm.net/lawyer/2012/04/24/Personal_Injury/Dog_Attack_bl4029.htm

Another example of a neglected abused dog which wasn't properly monitored.

I stated eariler, all animals can be dangerous... but its not equal.

No, it's very equal. What isn't equal is the under reporting by the media, misrepresentation of dogs ID's as pit bulls when either they're not pit bulls or there's no evidence to report them as such but they still do (and when proven wrong there's no retraction), and the type of owners who choose pit bulls over labs and the conditions they are kept in.

Kind of funny that you would critucize reporters for what you just did.

 

[pantherclub]

I think this thread has officially jumped the shark I have no idea what you guys are arguing. Now it's the media's fault that these animals are attacking people? I think we can all agree that all animals are instinctual animals. As such, there is always an element of uncertainty with regards to their behavior. Add on top of that the fact that some animals are more aggressive by nature thus less predictable than others and there you have it. Is it really that big of a deal?

I was thinking the exact same thing.When you have to resort to blaming the media then your argument is pretty much done.

 

[beavers]

I am still confused as to why some think the media hates pit bulls...

 

[pantherclub]

I am still confused as to why some think the media hates pit bulls...

its a conspiracy!!!111!!!!!1!!

 

[3C's]

I think this thread has officially jumped the shark

I have no idea what you guys are arguing. Now it's the media's fault that these animals are attacking people? I think we can all agree that all animals are instinctual animals. As such, there is always an element of uncertainty with regards to their behavior. Add on top of that the fact that some animals are more aggressive by nature thus less predictable than others and there you have it. Is it really that big of a deal?

Yeah, that's exactly what people here are saying. I actually have a solution to the problem but it'll never happen. The numbers overwhelmingly show that "resident" dogs (dogs left outside/chained) are responsible for ~80% of bites/attacks. If every state enacts anti-tethering laws (along with not allowing tiny "chicken coop" kennels) you remove dogs from most of the irresponsible owners. That would be way more effective than banning breeds.

 

[3C's]

I am still confused as to why some think the media hates pit bulls...

fear sells

 

[pantherclub]

I am still confused as to why some think the media hates pit bulls...

fear sells

Just stop man. For the love of God just stop.

 

[3C's]

I am still confused as to why some think the media hates pit bulls...

fear sells

Just stop man. For the love of God just stop.

wishing you would. you've brought absolutely nothing to this conversation. isn't there some unc-nc state thread you can go ruin still out there?

 

[3C's]

I think this thread has officially jumped the shark I have no idea what you guys are arguing. Now it's the media's fault that these animals are attacking people? I think we can all agree that all animals are instinctual animals. As such, there is always an element of uncertainty with regards to their behavior. Add on top of that the fact that some animals are more aggressive by nature thus less predictable than others and there you have it. Is it really that big of a deal?

but you're right. it has jumped the shark. no matter what amount of data or how many experts opinions are shared people are not changing their minds. they're either pro or against and it will always be that way.

 

[beavers]

I am still confused as to why some think the media hates pit bulls...

fear sells

In the 3-year period from 2006 to 2008, pit bull type dogs killed 52 Americans and accounted for 59% of all fatal attacks. Combined, pit bulls and rottweilers accounted for 73% of these deaths.I think we covered everything in this thread

"passing their dogs as breeds other than pit bulls, denying that their behavior is biologically determined, debunking adverse media coverage, using humor, emphasizing counter-stereotypical behavior, avoiding stereotypical equipment or accessories, taking preventive measures, or becoming breed ambassadors."

http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-owners.php

 

[beavers]

Pit Bull FAQs

http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-myths.php

 

[3C's]

I am still confused as to why some think the media hates pit bulls...

fear sells

In the 3-year period from 2006 to 2008, pit bull type dogs killed 52 Americans and accounted for 59% of all fatal attacks. Combined, pit bulls and rottweilers accounted for 73% of these deaths.I think we covered everything in this thread

"passing their dogs as breeds other than pit bulls, denying that their behavior is biologically determined, debunking adverse media coverage, using humor, emphasizing counter-stereotypical behavior, avoiding stereotypical equipment or accessories, taking preventive measures, or becoming breed ambassadors."

http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-owners.php

We can do this all day...The Council has identified 23 canine-caused fatalities for 2008, as compared with 34 the prior year. Officials

investigating the 2008 incidents claim to have identified 10 different breeds or types of dogs in connection with

these 23 fatalities, though experts caution that breed attributions are usually made on the basis of physical

impression, and should not be considered reliable.

http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/uploaded_files/tinymce/2008%20Final%20Report%20DBRF.pdf

Maybe you should use a reliable source. dogsbite.org does no research and is insanely biased.

http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/2010/03/the-truth-behind-dogsbiteorg.html

 

[beavers]

I am still confused as to why some think the media hates pit bulls...

fear sells

In the 3-year period from 2006 to 2008, pit bull type dogs killed 52 Americans and accounted for 59% of all fatal attacks. Combined, pit bulls and rottweilers accounted for 73% of these deaths.I think we covered everything in this thread

"passing their dogs as breeds other than pit bulls, denying that their behavior is biologically determined, debunking adverse media coverage, using humor, emphasizing counter-stereotypical behavior, avoiding stereotypical equipment or accessories, taking preventive measures, or becoming breed ambassadors."

http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-owners.php

We can do this all day...The Council has identified 23 canine-caused fatalities for 2008, as compared with 34 the prior year. Officials

investigating the 2008 incidents claim to have identified 10 different breeds or types of dogs in connection with

these 23 fatalities, though experts caution that breed attributions are usually made on the basis of physical

impression, and should not be considered reliable.

http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/uploaded_files/tinymce/2008%20Final%20Report%20DBRF.pdf

Maybe you should use a reliable source. dogsbite.org does no research and is insanely biased.

http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/2010/03/the-truth-behind-dogsbiteorg.html

Which of the following would characterize this statement? biologically determined, debunking adverse media coverage, using humor, emphasizing counter-stereotypical behavior, avoiding stereotypical equipment or accessories, taking preventive measures, or becoming breed ambassadors.

 

[3C's]

Pit Bull FAQshttp://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-myths.php

Here's your hero exposed for the liar she is.http://www.pitbulletinlegalnews.com/pro-bsl-experts/dogbiteorg/109-collen-lynn-seattle-animal-control-records

 

[3C's]

I am still confused as to why some think the media hates pit bulls...

fear sells

In the 3-year period from 2006 to 2008, pit bull type dogs killed 52 Americans and accounted for 59% of all fatal attacks. Combined, pit bulls and rottweilers accounted for 73% of these deaths.I think we covered everything in this thread

"passing their dogs as breeds other than pit bulls, denying that their behavior is biologically determined, debunking adverse media coverage, using humor, emphasizing counter-stereotypical behavior, avoiding stereotypical equipment or accessories, taking preventive measures, or becoming breed ambassadors."

http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-owners.php

We can do this all day...The Council has identified 23 canine-caused fatalities for 2008, as compared with 34 the prior year. Officials

investigating the 2008 incidents claim to have identified 10 different breeds or types of dogs in connection with

these 23 fatalities, though experts caution that breed attributions are usually made on the basis of physical

impression, and should not be considered reliable.

http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/uploaded_files/tinymce/2008%20Final%20Report%20DBRF.pdf

Maybe you should use a reliable source. dogsbite.org does no research and is insanely biased.

http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/2010/03/the-truth-behind-dogsbiteorg.html

Which of the following would characterize this statement? biologically determined, debunking adverse media coverage, using humor, emphasizing counter-stereotypical behavior, avoiding stereotypical equipment or accessories, taking preventive measures, or becoming breed ambassadors.

Colleen Lynn: My boyfriend, who lived with me, got the worst of it. I would slingshot from a stupefied state into one of aggression, especially if he approached me from behind.Sane indeed!

 

[beavers]

Pit Bull FAQshttp://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-myths.php

Here's your hero exposed for the liar she is.http://www.pitbulletinlegalnews.com/pro-bsl-experts/dogbiteorg/109-collen-lynn-seattle-animal-control-records