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Yet another Pitt Bull attack (2 Viewers)

bigbottom said:
Yep.

1)  I've owned my pit for years.

2)  It has never shown any aggression or violence.

3)  I never leave my child unattended with my pit.

Each of these common refrains also apply in this case where a one-year-old little girl is now fighting for her life.
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Exactly, the keys to this story is being lulled into a false sense of security and that it took a man stabbing the dog to death to get it off the child. I’m still amazed that anyone would ever own a pit bull with kids. I’m sorry but that what if is more than enough for me to never put my kids in harm’s way for a status symbol. That’s all these dogs are, stubborn people that want to prove a point and a small percentage of them #### up their life. 

 
I visited a shelter over the weekend (my mom is looking at adopting a smaller dog in a couple months) and they had a few pit bulls. One of them had some scars on her face and was missing an eye. The shelter worker said that she was rescued from dog fighting up near Clewiston (near Lake Okeechobee here in FL). The dog seemed very calm but I'm sure she has went through hell. Who knows what sort of behavioral issues she has.

Now, it's obviously a very sad situation but this dog isn't suited for a family with kids. This particular dog needs extensive training and should be owned by a man (or strong female) who has no other pets. 

But of course, if this dog was adopted by a family and the dog hurt a little kid, the headline would read "Pitbull attacks kid!" without giving any of the back story on why the family shouldn't have had that particular dog in the first place. People would then make the assumption, "Yup, all pit bulls are bad...BAN THE BREED!"

See how this works? 

 
eoMMan said:
I visited a shelter over the weekend (my mom is looking at adopting a smaller dog in a couple months) and they had a few pit bulls. One of them had some scars on her face and was missing an eye. The shelter worker said that she was rescued from dog fighting up near Clewiston (near Lake Okeechobee here in FL). The dog seemed very calm but I'm sure she has went through hell. Who knows what sort of behavioral issues she has.

Now, it's obviously a very sad situation but this dog isn't suited for a family with kids. This particular dog needs extensive training and should be owned by a man (or strong female) who has no other pets. 

But of course, if this dog was adopted by a family and the dog hurt a little kid, the headline would read "Pitbull attacks kid!" without giving any of the back story on why the family shouldn't have had that particular dog in the first place. People would then make the assumption, "Yup, all pit bulls are bad...BAN THE BREED!"

See how this works? 
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Seriously. It isn't fair. The media needs to do a better job of explaining how a family got conned after reading some stupid dog trainer blog. How the blog talked about how pit bulls are nanny pets and that the little rascals had petey and that pits are perfectly friendly and no more likely than any other breed to kill your 2 year old. Then this family read all these weirdos posting on facebook about how great their pits are and how they could maybe only hurt you by kissing you to death. Then of course there would be the dopey shelter worker that probably has some pro pit blog of her own that approved the adoption because you know she has 3 pits and they have never hurt a fly!!!

The media needs to do a much better job of explaining that all of these fools are out there pushing this pro pitbull agenda and that all you really need to do is pay attention to the raw statistics and the purpose for the existence of the breed. If the media would do a better job of just exposing all the propaganda we would be much better off. Instead they simply report the basic facts of each case. Things like how a human was mauled, the location, the type of dog, etc. Who wants to read those things? How are they relevant? Right?  

Good post eomman. We need more backstory please!!! Expose the agenda! Onward!

 
Can the average sized female in this country stop an enraged pit from attacking her or her child without a weapon"  How about with a weapon, say a baseball bat?  How about the average sized male, same question.

Now, can the average sized female in this country stop an enraged peekapoo or cocker spaniel from attacking her or her child?  how about the average sized male?

 
parasaurolophus said:
Seriously. It isn't fair. The media needs to do a better job of explaining how a family got conned after reading some stupid dog trainer blog. How the blog talked about how pit bulls are nanny pets and that the little rascals had petey and that pits are perfectly friendly and no more likely than any other breed to kill your 2 year old. Then this family read all these weirdos posting on facebook about how great their pits are and how they could maybe only hurt you by kissing you to death. Then of course there would be the dopey shelter worker that probably has some pro pit blog of her own that approved the adoption because you know she has 3 pits and they have never hurt a fly!!!

The media needs to do a much better job of explaining that all of these fools are out there pushing this pro pitbull agenda and that all you really need to do is pay attention to the raw statistics and the purpose for the existence of the breed. If the media would do a better job of just exposing all the propaganda we would be much better off. Instead they simply report the basic facts of each case. Things like how a human was mauled, the location, the type of dog, etc. Who wants to read those things? How are they relevant? Right?  

Good post eomman. We need more backstory please!!! Expose the agenda! Onward!
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What is wrong with you?

Calm down.

 
The breed needs to pay for our mistakes.  Thus it has ever been.  It is not fair. Some sympathize with the breed in the unfairness of it all.  That's understandable.  It is not understandable, however, to advocate for continued harboring of time bombs that don't even have the decency to look like bombs or to tick as a warning.  There is nothing here but unfairness, get over it.  that's life.

 
eoMMan said:
What is wrong with you?

Calm down.
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You are complaining that the media doesn't provide excuses for attacks when they report on them. A two year gets their face bit off and you care more about the media making sure to point out the life story of the dog. That is messed up. 

 
parasaurolophus said:
You are complaining that the media doesn't provide excuses for attacks when they report on them. A two year gets their face bit off and you care more about the media making sure to point out the life story of the dog. That is messed up. 
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Excuses? That's the word you use?

I'm just saying they should tell the whole story. I laid out a specific example on why the whole story should be told and why it could prevent future attacks.

 
eoMMan said:
Excuses? That's the word you use?

I'm just saying they should tell the whole story. I laid out a specific example on why the whole story should be told and why it could prevent future attacks.
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I think the point he’s trying to make is something I agree with in principle. It’s like the no vaccination idiots, there are people with a pro pit bull agenda that send a bad message that they are good family pets. I don’t care if you want to own one and do a great job, but these little kid stories are sad and sometimes you feel like stupid people listen to these shills. I remember that horrific story about the girl who raised two pits getting eaten while taking them for a walk. There was a vet interviewed who said there should be an investigation and that pit bulls never turn on their owners. She knew nothing about the case and that’s why the police released a story about the gorier details that the pits did do that not some mountain lion or third party like this vet with a clear agenda. 

 
Chaka said:
You're painting with a very broad brush.
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Yes I am, because I’m tired of these awful stories. These aren’t car accidents which couldn’t be avoided. These are easily avoided by not bringing a dog that could and did snap and couldn’t be pulled off a 1year old without being stabbed to death. 

 
stbugs said:
I think the point he’s trying to make is something I agree with in principle. It’s like the no vaccination idiots, there are people with a pro pit bull agenda that send a bad message that they are good family pets. I don’t care if you want to own one and do a great job, but these little kid stories are sad and sometimes you feel like stupid people listen to these shills. I remember that horrific story about the girl who raised two pits getting eaten while taking them for a walk. There was a vet interviewed who said there should be an investigation and that pit bulls never turn on their owners. She knew nothing about the case and that’s why the police released a story about the gorier details that the pits did do that not some mountain lion or third party like this vet with a clear agenda. 
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I think we all agree that these attack stories are sad. And I think we all agree that it would be awesome if there was not a single attack again.

My point, illustrated by a clear example, was that sometimes the breed gets a bad name through no fault of their own. And that people need to evaluate whatever dog they are taking home and say, "Is this the right dog for me and my family?"

 
eoMMan said:
I think we all agree that these attack stories are sad. And I think we all agree that it would be awesome if there was not a single attack again.

My point, illustrated by a clear example, was that sometimes the breed gets a bad name through no fault of their own. And that people need to evaluate whatever dog they are taking home and say, "Is this the right dog for me and my family?"
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I agree with this. And as a general matter, I think the answer to that question is “no” if the family is considering adopting a pit bull. 

As an aside, you appear to be conflating your recent experience at the shelter with the one-eyed dog fighting pit with the story about the one-year-old girl getting attacked even though the father had owned the pit for five years, it had never shown any signs of aggression or violence, the pit was not provoked and the father was there supervising at the time of the attack. Do you know something about the history of that particular dog, perhaps from a different article?  I’ve only read the linked article. 

 
bigbottom said:
I agree with this. And as a general matter, I think the answer to that question is “no” if the family is considering adopting a pit bull. 

As an aside, you appear to be conflating your recent experience at the shelter with the one-eyed dog fighting pit with the story about the one-year-old girl getting attacked even though the father had owned the pit for five years, it had never shown any signs of aggression or violence, the pit was not provoked and the father was there supervising at the time of the attack. Do you know something about the history of that particular dog, perhaps from a different article?  I’ve only read the linked article. 
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No, I know nothing more about that story than what was in the article posted.

 
eoMMan said:
I think we all agree that these attack stories are sad. And I think we all agree that it would be awesome if there was not a single attack again.

My point, illustrated by a clear example, was that sometimes the breed gets a bad name through no fault of their own. And that people need to evaluate whatever dog they are taking home and say, "Is this the right dog for me and my family?"
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The bold is where you and I really disagree and I honestly have no idea how you could even say that with a straight face. If we were talking just whether or not a dog bit somebody regardless of damage, you would have a point. The problem I have with pit bull owners and advocates is that they simply dismiss the damage that gets inflicted because of the dog's instincts.

Very few dogs were bred to be able to hold on tight as serious damage is being inflicted on them. This guy had to stab the dog to get it to release. That isn't because of an owner. That is something inside these dogs. They were bred to be able to hold onto the snout of an enraged bull and take damage that might kill them. Even the weight of their head compared to their neck and shoulder strength was designed with this purpose in mind. If a pit locked on your arm and you managed to whip it around, it doesn't sustain an injury to its body from such a movement. The evil SOB's that engaged in bull baiting learned this lesson when their dogs necks would get snapped so they made adjustments so to speak.  

Plenty of dogs bite. Plenty of dogs bite more often than pit bulls. Very few dogs will bite and continue to bite while being struck, yelled at, stabbed, or shot. Pit bull owners and advocates try to deflect from this fact in so many ways. They make a big stink about jaw strength stats, temperament scores compared to chihuahuas, or they make a point to argue repeatedly NUT UH, THEY DONT HAVE A LOCKING JAW MECHANISM! 

These things are all deflections. The stats are simple. When it comes to death by dog bite there is no comparison statistically. 

The biggest problem facing pits right now is that so many people are out there talking about how great of a dog they are. How they are just like any other breed. Helen Keller this, petey that, kisses and hugs, and wont even touch the cat. So you get people that are like yeah, I am going to get a pit, I will show everybody how great they are. Next thing you know they realize how much work the dog is and maybe it shows some aggression and bam, to the shelter. So sure, that owner should get some blame, but so should all the people saying how great of a pet and how safe these things are. 

These guys get killed at shelters like no other dogs. They are very popular, and not just with tough guys.  

 
Walked into a furniture store today and there is some dolt with his pit bull, or pit bull mix or whatever, browsing the furniture. Of course it was acting like a normal dog, and my girls were fawning over the “doggy,” but I kept them as far from that stupid animal as I could.

Oh and of course the owner had neck tats. Perfect. 

 
parasaurolophus said:
The bold is where you and I really disagree and I honestly have no idea how you could even say that with a straight face. If we were talking just whether or not a dog bit somebody regardless of damage, you would have a point. The problem I have with pit bull owners and advocates is that they simply dismiss the damage that gets inflicted because of the dog's instincts.

Very few dogs were bred to be able to hold on tight as serious damage is being inflicted on them. This guy had to stab the dog to get it to release. That isn't because of an owner. That is something inside these dogs. They were bred to be able to hold onto the snout of an enraged bull and take damage that might kill them. Even the weight of their head compared to their neck and shoulder strength was designed with this purpose in mind. If a pit locked on your arm and you managed to whip it around, it doesn't sustain an injury to its body from such a movement. The evil SOB's that engaged in bull baiting learned this lesson when their dogs necks would get snapped so they made adjustments so to speak.  

Plenty of dogs bite. Plenty of dogs bite more often than pit bulls. Very few dogs will bite and continue to bite while being struck, yelled at, stabbed, or shot. Pit bull owners and advocates try to deflect from this fact in so many ways. They make a big stink about jaw strength stats, temperament scores compared to chihuahuas, or they make a point to argue repeatedly NUT UH, THEY DONT HAVE A LOCKING JAW MECHANISM! 

These things are all deflections. The stats are simple. When it comes to death by dog bite there is no comparison statistically. 

The biggest problem facing pits right now is that so many people are out there talking about how great of a dog they are. How they are just like any other breed. Helen Keller this, petey that, kisses and hugs, and wont even touch the cat. So you get people that are like yeah, I am going to get a pit, I will show everybody how great they are. Next thing you know they realize how much work the dog is and maybe it shows some aggression and bam, to the shelter. So sure, that owner should get some blame, but so should all the people saying how great of a pet and how safe these things are. 

These guys get killed at shelters like no other dogs. They are very popular, and not just with tough guys.  
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Mostly popular with tough guys though.

and small peener guys

 
Otis said:
Walked into a furniture store today and there is some dolt with his pit bull, or pit bull mix or whatever, browsing the furniture. Of course it was acting like a normal dog, and my girls were fawning over the “doggy,” but I kept them as far from that stupid animal as I could.

Oh and of course the owner had neck tats. Perfect. 
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Was he wearing an Affliction/Tapout shirt that's the trifecta.

 
Otis said:
Walked into a furniture store today and there is some dolt with his pit bull, or pit bull mix or whatever, browsing the furniture. Of course it was acting like a normal dog, and my girls were fawning over the “doggy,” but I kept them as far from that stupid animal as I could.

Oh and of course the owner had neck tats. Perfect. 
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Lol. WTF would anyone bring their dog into a furniture store? As I said before, owning a pit bull is absolutely a status symbol to some people.

 
stbugs said:
Lol. WTF would anyone bring their dog into a furniture store? As I said before, owning a pit bull is absolutely a status symbol to some people.
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ehh, not sure about status symbol, but 100% agree who the hell brings their dog into a furniture store. Otis shopping at some classy places i guess  :P

 
Seriously why are people such dumb boring stereotypes?  Like, if I had face and neck tats, the VERY LAST dog I’d get would be a pit bull. I’d get a poodle or some ####. Or if my life depended on my owning a stupid death animal like a pit bull, I would NOT get face tats and affliction shirts; i would wear a three piece suit or some nonsense.  At least try and be remotely interesting.

But jesus, people are laughable. 

 
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Hey idiot pit bull owner, remember that time your animals ate a 9-year-old's face?

But by all means, keep getting these dogs, folks.  'Murica continuing to demonstrate its great decision-making skills. :thumbup:

 
Honestly, you need look no further than the intersection of this thread, with the people fighting viciously for their right to own assault rifles, to see everything that is so very wrong with this country.  There are some bright lights, but on average, jesus christ we are not smart people.

 
First they came for the cigarettes,
and I did not speak up because I was not a smoker.

Then they came for the pit bulls,
and I did not speak up because I have a Labradoodle.

Then they came for the assault rifles,
and I did not speak up because what do I need a gun for.

Then they came for me,
to have a party because America was safer and healthier.

 
Gawain said:
First they came for the cigarettes,
and I did not speak up because I was not a smoker.

Then they came for the pit bulls,
and I did not speak up because I have a Labradoodle.

Then they came for the assault rifles,
and I did not speak up because what do I need a gun for.

Then they came for me,
to have a party because America was safer and healthier.
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:lmao:  I don't agree, but still...

 
Just watched people bring a pit bull/lab mix to a shelter because it got in two fights with the same dog in two weeks. 

Not a fun day.  

Thing is, it was a sweet dog until...

Well, good thing it wasn't a human. It was in a terrible situation, though, one where the family should not have had the dog in the first place but let the kids (older. like seventeen) pick the cute puppy. 

 
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rockaction said:
Just watched people bring a pit bull/lab mix to a shelter because it got in two fights with the same dog in two weeks. 

Not a fun day.  

Thing is, it was a sweet dog until...

Well, good thing it wasn't a human. It was in a terrible situation, though, one where the family should not have had the dog in the first place but let the kids (older. like seventeen) pick the cute puppy. 
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Correction: The shelter said he was a Rottweiler/Lab. They listed him as a lab. 

:loco:

 
Otis said:
People are so effing stupid. 
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Have a friend with a master's in intellectual history from U of Chicago and a doctorate in political science and theory from UVA. Loves pits.  

I think you mean to say that people can make really poor decisions that affect other people.  

 
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So there's some common sense there.  But I agree with you. The family with the Rottweiler/Lab exercised very little in their choices.  

 
rockaction said:
Have a friend with a master's in intellectual history from U of Chicago and a doctorate in political science and theory from UVA. Loves pits.  

I think you mean to say that people can make really poor decisions that affect other people.  
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No, I actually meant it the way I said it. 

 
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