Yet another Pitt Bull attack (2 Viewers)

[modogg]

Can someone explain to me why these people just have to have THIS particular breed of dog? There are a million other dogs out there. Why is it like “yeah, I’ll go with the pit bull.”  Who does that???

I am not sure around the country, but for those of us who choose not to spend 1000s on their pet, or get a dog from a puppy mill, the options can be limited. I live in a large urban city where they have 2-3 main shelters (I think). the dogs there are (and again there isn't really a specific pitbull breed) probably 90-95% pitbull mixes. so choosing a dog from a rescue shelter you are more then likely going to get a pitbull mix. My pitbull is the 1st dog I got, and I didn't go out specifically looking for a pitbull. I wasn't so hung up on the breed of dog (cause frankly most are mutts at shelters), but rather the temperament and personality

you guys are so weird, read your own thread. i know ignorance is a glorious thing, so keep on, keeping on. 

 

[IC FBGCav]

So answer me this MENSA on both sides.  I got a mostly golden that came from a puppy farm and she is fear aggressive....ie only trainable to a point.  The dog is not 2 years old yet, easily spent 20k on her behavior training.   

I will not give any more details than this.  

Last dog I has was a golden mix, never would hurt a fly.  I would let her out the front door when she wanted back in she would paw the door.   Zero fear she would hurt anyone.  And never did.

Current one, didnt have until 9 weeks old.  She was messed up and was from puppy mill, knew i should have left her there but conditions were bad so I took her.

She is a fear aggressive dog.  You cant train that out of her.

So I built a fence, and yes, just this weekend.  Fence is at least 5 feet from the road.   Mother and little girl on training wheels go by the house.   

My dog has all her hair up, barking at them and what does mom do?

Go pet the dog honey.   

Wife was outside on the screened in porch and stopped it, but how dumb are you?

So whats the move idiots?   Do never bit anyone, goes to daycare 3 times a week and plays with other dogs.

But a new daycare staff will never be able to handle her until she gets to know her and if some random walking inside the fence I have no idea what she would do.

She has caught a full grown rabbit in our yard, and she pranced around as pround as can be.

I made her drop it, it ran away, she never hurt it even though it was in her mouth for at least 3 minutes.

 

[Gawain]

 The dog is not 2 years old yet, easily spent 20k on her behavior training.  

Do you know how many lentils you could have bought for 20K?

 

[IC FBGCav]

Do you know how many lentils you could have bought for 20K?

Yep, to help all.  I don't have a trainable dog.  I spent 1600 on one for live time training.  He secured her to a wall and after 6 visits never handled her.  

Her best trainer was a 22 year old.  

It was at least 6 months.  After 2 months, she would spend all training her at the vet.  Drive her to my house, dog loving trainer.  Then wouldn't let trainer in house.

It took 6 months, just trainer could come in the house and dog was fine.  But only with that person, doesn't transer.

Trainer went to vet school in Alabama.  No need to start again.

 

[IC FBGCav]

But finally, I don't know how my dog would treat a 7 year old that walked into my yard.  It is posted and fenced.  So on you guys.

 

[IC FBGCav]

I know she will have all her hair up barking as loud as she can.

 

[IC FBGCav]

https://imgur.com/a/W28M3

This is a fear aggressive dog, no bs.

 

[IC FBGCav]

https://imgur.com/a/yizJR

 

[Harry Manback]

I don't want to ban dogs. I just want to discuss how dumb their owners are. I love dogs. 

Then we're on the same page.

####ty people make ####ty dog owners, and ####ty people are attracted to pit bulls.

 

[Wildcat]

Then we're on the same page.

####ty people make ####ty dog owners, and ####ty people are attracted to pit bulls.

Agreed, but there is more to it than that.  They are attracted to that breed because it is a dangerous breed.  It has the capacity to maim and kill more than any other breed. 

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Agreed, but there is more to it than that.  They are attracted to that breed because it is a dangerous breed.  It has the capacity to maim and kill more than any other breed. 

More than most at any rate.

 

[Harry Manback]

Agreed, but there is more to it than that.  They are attracted to that breed because it is a dangerous breed.  It has the capacity to maim and kill more than any other breed. 

More than most but definitely not all. There are easily a half dozen dog breeds that are more dangerous, if not more.

 

[eoMMan]

More than most at any rate.

Of course, but I think that's maybe a little misleading due to the number of pit bulls out there and the number of abused pit bulls when compared to other "powerful" breeds. 

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Of course, but I think that's maybe a little misleading due to the number of pit bulls out there and the number of abused pit bulls when compared to other "powerful" breeds. 

In my experience "In fashion" breeds, particularly "in fashion" powerful breeds, or what has occasionally been referred to as bully breeds, tend to have out of proportion bite rates to the population in general.  I attribute that to poor breeding to meet the fashion, and unprepared owners who want to own out of fashion.  In my lifetime I have seen bites disproportionally in the following breeds, Collies - in fashion after Lassie, Shepherds, Robbermans, Rotties , Cocker Spaniels, Chows, Akitas, and now Pits.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Of course, but I think that's maybe a little misleading due to the number of pit bulls out there and the number of abused pit bulls when compared to other "powerful" breeds. 

Capacity of an individual pit bull has nothing to do with how many there are or how many abused there are. It is in their breeding. 

 

[parasaurolophus]

More than most but definitely not all. There are easily a half dozen dog breeds that are more dangerous, if not more.

Those dogs have dumb owners too. 

 

[Foosball God]

So I built a fence, and yes, just this weekend.  Fence is at least 5 feet from the road.   Mother and little girl on training wheels go by the house.   

My dog has all her hair up, barking at them and what does mom do?

Go pet the dog honey.   

Wife was outside on the screened in porch and stopped it, but how dumb are you?

Curious, how as the little girl going to pet the dog if you have a fence?

 

[Otis]

you guys are so weird, read your own thread. i know ignorance is a glorious thing, so keep on, keeping on. 

So you believe it's a money thing?  That's it? No other dogs need "rescuing"?  Just these?*

*By the way, the whole concept of "rescuing" dogs is a little silly when you step back from it.  We don't freak out about rescuing bears or trout or butterflies, but this particular animal gets special attention because we've domesticated it a whole bunch.  

 

[ChainsawU]

https://imgur.com/a/W28M3

It looks like you take real good care of her. Nails especially, really healthy

 

[Northern Voice]

*By the way, the whole concept of "rescuing" dogs is a little silly when you step back from it.  We don't freak out about rescuing bears or trout or butterflies, but this particular animal gets special attention because we've domesticated it a whole bunch.  

Huh? It's because they've become so domesticated that they need rescuing. That rescue labradoodle in the kennel isn't exactly a coyote that can naturally thrive in the wild like a bear/butterfly/trout.

 

[eoMMan]

Capacity of an individual pit bull has nothing to do with how many there are or how many abused there are. It is in their breeding. 

I think you misunderstood me. For example:

Let's say there are 4 million pit bulls in the US and 50 fatalities from pit bulls in a year. Also, let's say there are 500,000 Cane Corso Mastiffs in the US and 10 fatalities from Cane Corso Mastiffs in a year. The rate of pit bull fatalities would actually be lower here due to their large population. Follow?

Note: these aren't accurate numbers and just used as an example.

 

[Thorn]

An interesting exercise would be to have everyone in this thread who feels strongly about their position spend 10 minutes writing the best argument they can for the other side.

 

[fantasycurse42]

An interesting exercise would be to have everyone in this thread who feels strongly about their position spend 10 minutes writing the best argument they can for the other side.

I'll throw in a $5 just to read an Otis take on this.

 

[bigbottom]

So you believe it's a money thing?  That's it? No other dogs need "rescuing"?  Just these?*

*By the way, the whole concept of "rescuing" dogs is a little silly when you step back from it.  We don't freak out about rescuing bears or trout or butterflies, but this particular animal gets special attention because we've domesticated it a whole bunch.  

For me, it would be scary enough to own a pit bull, but to rescue one?  You have no idea whether and to what extent it has been abused and/or mistreated.  You have no idea what trauma it may have suffered.

Now, I get that this is a concern with any rescue dog.  But if I'm going to rescue a dog, I'm going to go with one that I have a fighting chance against if it snaps on me.

 

[IC FBGCav]

Curious, how as the little girl going to pet the dog if you have a fence?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d4/cf/31/d4cf31bba6d1a6b41b7b4a58e4bbf620.jpg

It's like this fence.

 

[Foosball God]

So like through the chain link?  Weird.  People are dumb.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Like sex with my wife.

 

[DallasDMac]

So answer me this MENSA on both sides.  I got a mostly golden that came from a puppy farm and she is fear aggressive....ie only trainable to a point.  The dog is not 2 years old yet, easily spent 20k on her behavior training.   

......

Current one, didnt have until 9 weeks old.  She was messed up and was from puppy mill, knew i should have left her there but conditions were bad so I took her.

She is a fear aggressive dog.  You cant train that out of her.

.......

So whats the move idiots?   Do never bit anyone, goes to daycare 3 times a week and plays with other dogs.

But a new daycare staff will never be able to handle her until she gets to know her and if some random walking inside the fence I have no idea what she would do.

And yet you own her and keep her as a pet.



Probably should back off calling others "idiots" given your apparent lack of common sense.

 

[modogg]

And yet you own her and keep her as a pet.



Probably should back off calling others "idiots" given your apparent lack of common sense.

Jesus, i hope if you ever have kids, or already do, that they don't have any issues or impediments

 

[Otis]

We still have grown ups in here acting like dogs are their best friends?

Especially murderkiller dogs?

 

[Otis]

Jesus, i hope if you ever have kids, or already do, that they don't have any issues or impediments

Let me help you here. 

Kids are people. Like you.

Dogs are animals. Like crabs or squirrels or donkeys or raccoons. 

Does that help at all?

 

[Otis]

For me, it would be scary enough to own a pit bull, but to rescue one?  You have no idea whether and to what extent it has been abused and/or mistreated.  You have no idea what trauma it may have suffered.

Now, I get that this is a concern with any rescue dog.  But if I'm going to rescue a dog, I'm going to go with one that I have a fighting chance against if it snaps on me.

Wow lookie!!  Quick, look everyone!! It’s common sense!!

 

[Otis]

I'll throw in a $5 just to read an Otis take on this.

Oh man I’d wreck this. May have to find some time today. 

I’d conclude with something like “And in any event, I think the pit bull is a better accessory to my face tats than a Yorkie would be.”

 

[eoMMan]

Otis morning pitbull outrage schtick....

 

[Otis]

But a new daycare staff will never be able to handle her until she gets to know her and if some random walking inside the fence I have no idea what she would do.

Neat animal, bro. 

 

[Otis]

https://imgur.com/gallery/Z5ttB

 

[modogg]

Let me help you here. 

Kids are people. Like you.

Dogs are animals. Like crabs or squirrels or donkeys or raccoons. 

Does that help at all?

so then it is fine just killing dogs because humans and dogs are valued differently. And you are just grouping all animals in the same category, not at all considering differences among species like the development of limbic system or the fact if they have a frontal lobe? Would be nice if we over-simplified things, but just not sure that is the best solution.

ETA: funny thing with this whole thread is that I don't really care. the anti-pit-bull people are not going to change their stance and that is fine. I have my dog and am happy with her. I will be sure to report immediately here when she kills someone, but so far so good.

 

[eoMMan]

https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/2264791-212.jpg?quality=85&strip=info&w=338&zoom=2

 

[eoMMan]

Cavs dog?

https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/2264791-29.jpg?quality=85&strip=info&w=338&zoom=2

 

[IC FBGCav]

Jesus, i hope if you ever have kids, or already do, that they don't have any issues or impediments

Yep, this is the case, no vet would euthanize my dog for her issues but rail me because I handle her responsibly.  Some people are just ignorant.  Hate to see the pressure these yahoo's would put on a child with a problem.

 

[DallasDMac]

Yep, this is the case, no vet would euthanize my dog for her issues but rail me because I handle her responsibly.  Some people are just ignorant.  Hate to see the pressure these yahoo's would put on a child with a problem.

The fact you two even attempt to equate children and dogs mean we will never have common ground in the discussion.

 

[modogg]

The fact you two even attempt to equate children and dogs mean we will never have common ground in the discussion.

 i have no idea how you guys miss the point so many times. so we really only have 2 options, accept and love, or kill the thing?

 

[IC FBGCav]

 i have no idea how you guys miss the point so many times. so we really only have 2 options, accept and love, or kill the thing?

I blocked that guy after his idiot comment and I blocked other idiots posting in this thread that has nothing to do with this thread.

But since I seen the post. 

Answer a question, #######.  Some one will always adopt my dog, she is just too damn cute.  What do you want me too do?  Vets wont euthanize her.  Give her to someone who doesn't give a crap?  

My dog is not special, and neither are your kids?  How do I know?  They have your genes.

 

[Otis]

 Some people are just ignorant.  

You don’t say. 

 

[DallasDMac]

 i have no idea how you guys miss the point so many times. so we really only have 2 options, accept and love, or kill the thing?

Funny you mention missing the point, then pull one no one is making out of thin air. I'll give you credit though, at least you don't just go around calling everyone idiots.

 

[modogg]

Funny you mention missing the point, then pull one no one is making out of thin air. I'll give you credit though, at least you don't just go around calling everyone idiots.

ehh, i don't care a ton about this fight. All i know is i have a 9 year old pitbull and the dog is one of the best dogs i ever had (had dogs my whole life, all different breeds. but bigger dog, i don't like toy dogs). But all this dog wants to do is please it's owners and has been bitten once or twice (both times it was little dogs), but honestly all she has ever done in retaliation is want to play. i honestly love the stereotype of pitbulls from people because i am pretty sure if someone broke into my house she would go up and lick them and sell me out in a heartbeat. 

My rottweiller is a little different, but we have 87 pages on pitbulls so we can just focus with that. 

i can add her behavior is contingent on us socializing her a ton when she is young, behavior classes when she was young, and plenty of exercise for her. And we got lucky, she was a rescue from some family who got evicted or moved and left her alone in an apartment

 

[Otis]

ehh, i don't care a ton about this fight. All i know is i have a 9 year old pitbull and the dog is one of the best dogs i ever had (had dogs my whole life, all different breeds. but bigger dog, i don't like toy dogs). But all this dog wants to do is please it's owners and has been bitten once or twice (both times it was little dogs), but honestly all she has ever done in retaliation is want to play. i honestly love the stereotype of pitbulls from people because i am pretty sure if someone broke into my house she would go up and lick them and sell me out in a heartbeat. 

My rottweiller is a little different, but we have 87 pages on pitbulls so we can just focus with that. 

i can add her behavior is contingent on us socializing her a ton when she is young, behavior classes when she was young, and plenty of exercise for her. And we got lucky, she was a rescue from some family who got evicted or moved and left her alone in an apartment

Said pretty much every pit bull owner whose pit bull then attacked a child. 

 

[Mister CIA]

I love pitbulls (accidental pitbull owner here), but I get the fear. The solution is so simple - if you want to own a dog deemed dangerous, pay $1,000 to your local municipality and register it, This will filter out 95% of the riff-raff owners - AND LET'S FACE IT, owners are the real problem. As long as you all want to hate the dog and ignore the a##h### owner, you're gonna get lot's more of the same, year after year after year.

 

[Otis]

ehh, i don't care a ton about this fight. All i know is i have a 9 year old pitbull and the dog is one of the best dogs i ever had (had dogs my whole life, all different breeds. but bigger dog, i don't like toy dogs). But all this dog wants to do is please it's owners and has been bitten once or twice (both times it was little dogs), but honestly all she has ever done in retaliation is want to play. i honestly love the stereotype of pitbulls from people because i am pretty sure if someone broke into my house she would go up and lick them and sell me out in a heartbeat. 

My rottweiller is a little different, but we have 87 pages on pitbulls so we can just focus with that. 

i can add her behavior is contingent on us socializing her a ton when she is young, behavior classes when she was young, and plenty of exercise for her. And we got lucky, she was a rescue from some family who got evicted or moved and left her alone in an apartment

Oh and way to not perpetuate the stereotype, mister “small dogs are ghaay, I only like pit bulls and rottweillers”

Of course you do.

 

[Otis]

I love pitbulls (accidental pitbull owner here), but I get the fear. The solution is so simple - if you want to own a dog deemed dangerous, pay $1,000 to your local municipality and register it, This will filter out 95% of the riff-raff owners - AND LET'S FACE IT, owners are the real problem. As long as you all want to hate the dog and ignore the a##h### owner, you're gonna get lot's more of the same, year after year after year.

Facepalm.