Hot Sauce Guy
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2. Gurley
3. Gurley
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Your top 3 fantasy RB next year? (1 Viewer)
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Lionsfan011
Footballguy
Right on. Pretty amazing what Mixon has done this year behind a poor o-line. He’d be RB8 right now if he hadn’t missed those 2 games. Not sure if Cincy will draft high enough for one of the QBs but that or another o-lineman would be nice. A first round OT, Glenn and a healthy Price would be a big improvement over their current o-line. No risk of stacked boxes either with a solid WR core of Green, Boyd and Ross. Definite chance of Mixon being better next year with some help to the QB or o-line situations.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I will admit that I am chuckling at those still talking like Fournette is a 1st, or even 2nd, round pick next year.
Anyway, I agree with those saying that Gurley, Barkley and Zeke are the top 3 for next year, with Kamara, C-Mac and possibly L Bell in the next tier. I can't argue against putting M Gordon in there.
Anyway, I agree with those saying that Gurley, Barkley and Zeke are the top 3 for next year, with Kamara, C-Mac and possibly L Bell in the next tier. I can't argue against putting M Gordon in there.
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DocHolliday
Footballguy
grateful zed
Footballguy
bell - depending on landing spot
connor - pitt rb1s crush
a jones - has the stats, needs the usage
henry - depending on situation, showed rb1 ability.
ware - gets the nod in the most potent offense in the nfl
(my dyno team)
connor - pitt rb1s crush
a jones - has the stats, needs the usage
henry - depending on situation, showed rb1 ability.
ware - gets the nod in the most potent offense in the nfl
(my dyno team)
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
The correct answer is Nick Chubb. He's practically there already with a rookie QB and average to below average tackles.
I suppose the time is coming when the NFL will have to deal with human cloning, but I think we may still be a couple decades out from that...
Still, as effectively as they've dealt with domestic violence, racial injustice, and workplace sexual harassment I have no doubt the NFL will be a shining example to the world of how best to handle such a potentially divisive issue...
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Agreed. Odd take by the poster you quoted. If I were PIT, I’d be ecstatic with their RB situation. Now they can fill other holes in the draft.
Gurley, Barkley and CMC(but will have to analyze impact if coaching change made).
Thoughts on some others:
Elliot should have better OL and full season of Cooper but that workload is immense and that's why I'd look to other 3 above him.
Chubb I think he benefits from not being used to much earlier in the season. I am strong believer in fresh legged RB's looking way better then they really are and a lot of Chubb's season reminds me of Jeremy Hill's rookie year. Now let me say Chubb does look good, better receiver then I thought and his balance, power/speed combo looks really good but I just don't know if he can be this kind of effective from week 1-16.
Kamara would get consideration as a top 3 pick if they let Ingram leave but I strongly suspect even if that happens they bring in someone to complement Kamara to not run him into the ground. I don't think that usage like we saw first 4 weeks with Kamara is something the Saints would ever plan on happening.
Gordon, biggest knock I"ll have on him is that he'll only have one full 16 game season. Not a lot of missed time but top 3 is top 3 and I'm looking for something cleaner then multiple knee injuries.
Thoughts on some others:
Elliot should have better OL and full season of Cooper but that workload is immense and that's why I'd look to other 3 above him.
Chubb I think he benefits from not being used to much earlier in the season. I am strong believer in fresh legged RB's looking way better then they really are and a lot of Chubb's season reminds me of Jeremy Hill's rookie year. Now let me say Chubb does look good, better receiver then I thought and his balance, power/speed combo looks really good but I just don't know if he can be this kind of effective from week 1-16.
Kamara would get consideration as a top 3 pick if they let Ingram leave but I strongly suspect even if that happens they bring in someone to complement Kamara to not run him into the ground. I don't think that usage like we saw first 4 weeks with Kamara is something the Saints would ever plan on happening.
Gordon, biggest knock I"ll have on him is that he'll only have one full 16 game season. Not a lot of missed time but top 3 is top 3 and I'm looking for something cleaner then multiple knee injuries.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
- Barkley.
- Kamara.
- Gurley.
- Zeke, Chubb and McCaffrey with very little dropoff.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Chubb’s talent and pedigree >>>>>>> Jeremy Hill’s. Its not even comparable really.
Plus he’s proving that he can catch the ball out of the backfield which was the biggest knock against him because Georgia used Sony Michel in that role instead.
ZWK
Footballguy
The top 6 picks in next year's draft should be RBs. I'd rank them (with mini tier breaks):
Gurley
Barkley
McCaffrey
Elliott
Kamara
Gordon
This is very similar to their current rankings in ppg for this season, except Elliott & Gordon are swapped and I've added the mini tier break after Gurley.
Bell could also break into this list, depending on what happens with him.
Gurley
Barkley
McCaffrey
Elliott
Kamara
Gordon
This is very similar to their current rankings in ppg for this season, except Elliott & Gordon are swapped and I've added the mini tier break after Gurley.
Bell could also break into this list, depending on what happens with him.
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Hill was a second round pick, that puts his pedigree pretty close to Chubb IMO and Hill also surprised people with how well he did as a receiver.Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
But don't get so wrapped up on Hill vs Chubb, this is not intended to be that debate. Hill just an example of what I've seen often of RB's lightly used early in season coming on strong as the season progressed but not living up to expectations the next year.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/nick-chubb/
https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/jeremy-hill/
Nick Chubb is an elite talent and was basically a Gurley-level prospect before his injury, which he seems to be coming back from nicely. Jeremy Hill was never an elite prospect.
Its not Chubb’s fault that the Browns signed Hyde to a multi-year contract before drafting him, but he showed enough for them to trade Hyde away (despite being pretty decent early on) after 6 games.
https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/jeremy-hill/
Nick Chubb is an elite talent and was basically a Gurley-level prospect before his injury, which he seems to be coming back from nicely. Jeremy Hill was never an elite prospect.
Its not Chubb’s fault that the Browns signed Hyde to a multi-year contract before drafting him, but he showed enough for them to trade Hyde away (despite being pretty decent early on) after 6 games.
Again you are turning this into a Hill vs Chubb debate, taking one comp and wanting this to turn into a debate and get the thread off track. Sorry not playing.
I'm just going to leave by saying I don't understand why people keep bringing up that Chubb was a Gurley level talent before his injury. Either the injury is no longer a factor or it's not. If he was seen as a Gurley level talent he'd not have lasted till the second round. Gurley went 10th when he just tore his ACL. ]
jtp1982
Footballguy
PPR/0.5 PPR rankings for me next year.
1. Kamara (assuming Ingram leaves in few agency and there’s no timeshare. Kamara was on a historic pace when Ingram was out this year.)
2. Gurley
3. Zeke
4. Chubb (Assuming coaching changes don’t endanger his newfound status as a three down back. They are paying Duke Johnson some good money and ownership does influence football decisions in Cleveland sometimes so that will be a situation to watch for me).
1. Kamara (assuming Ingram leaves in few agency and there’s no timeshare. Kamara was on a historic pace when Ingram was out this year.)
2. Gurley
3. Zeke
4. Chubb (Assuming coaching changes don’t endanger his newfound status as a three down back. They are paying Duke Johnson some good money and ownership does influence football decisions in Cleveland sometimes so that will be a situation to watch for me).
Tau837
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'm not sure what you're saying. That it should be McCaffrey instead?
Or that we shouldn't consider total season performance but rather the last [insert arbitrary number of weeks here to get the result we're looking for] weeks of the season?
Chaka
Footballguy
Because he's been #2 since Cooper showed up. Even more impressive is their offensive line has been patchwork at best.
Tau837
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
Of course they do and and he was at the top of the league, or top 3, in rushing yards and RB touches before Amari arrived. The only thing lacking was TDs, which is the most volatile stat to predict.
Freddie Kitchens is a great OC. The Browns have so much talent that's been held down by Hue Jackson. Chubb has been great since both Hyde and Jackson were sent packing.
I agree 100% here. His stats will be diluted because he wasn't utilized early in the season and the n00bs will sleep on him because he's on the "Browns"
jtp1982
Footballguy
That’s fair. I should have put Barkley at 4.
I do think Kamara without a timeshare is underrated. Through the 4 games with Ingram on suspension he was walking away with RB1 in fantasy.
Tau837
Footballguy
fightingillini
Footballguy
Nice cherrypicking there. You can make the same argument for McCaffrey, who is the #1 RB since Week 9 (which you don't have in your top 4). Or Todd Gurley, who was the #1 RB from weeks 5-8. But the #1RB in my PPR league for the entire season to date is Saquon Barkley, which you didn't originally have in your top 4.
Now if Ingram is gone AND NO decides to give Kamara the full load, sure, he's in the mix to be a top 3 RB, no question about it. But you're speculating, and have no basis that the Saints would do that. If Ingram leaves, NO will probably brings in another RB to perform Ingram's role.
An alternate interpretation of Kamara's early performance is that Kamara feasted (while on the full load) on great matchups, which were TB, CLE, ATL and NYG.
Angry spiders
Footballguy
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Regular:
1. Gurley
2. Zeke
3. Barkley
PPR:
1. McCaffrey
2. Barkley
3. Gordon
1. Gurley
2. Zeke
3. Barkley
PPR:
1. McCaffrey
2. Barkley
3. Gordon
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Nick Chubb: Did not have more than THREE CARRIES, until Week 7. Did not have a reception until week 8.
Total Rushing: 972yds, 5.3ypc, 8TDs, long of 92.
Total Receiving: 153yds, 18 receptions, 2TDs.
TOTAL to WEEK 16: 1125yds, 10TDs.
..... and I repeat, he didnt get more than THREE carries, until Week 7.
Ya'll are missing the boat here. Big time.
Total Rushing: 972yds, 5.3ypc, 8TDs, long of 92.
Total Receiving: 153yds, 18 receptions, 2TDs.
TOTAL to WEEK 16: 1125yds, 10TDs.
..... and I repeat, he didnt get more than THREE carries, until Week 7.
Ya'll are missing the boat here. Big time.
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Andrew74
Footballguy
Interesting that you put Gordon in PPR over Gurley. I’d like to hear your thoughts - expect Gurley’s receptions to go down? If my quick math is right, Gurley avg 1 more reception per game played this year.
DropKick
Footballguy
I like the discussion of who will surprise rather than rehash rankings.
Interesting end to the season where guys like Samuels, CJ Anderson, Damien Williams and Henry were difference makers. If you don't handcuff out of the gate, almost have to consider roster composition as the season winds down. Teams like the Steelers, Chiefs and Rams produce points. None of the teams owning the starter ended up with their replacements in my main league. Henry was rostered all season.
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ShamrockPride
Footballguy
I expect as Rivers continues to age, he'll start throwing the deep ball less, and he's a guy that already has no problem at all checking down. On the other end, I think the next logical place to go for the Rams is to grab a true #1 from somewhere...draft, FA, etc. There's no stud WR from the Rams, just basically a squad of #2's. I THINK that's what the Rams will do, but they could certainly be content with accepting their identity as a running team and leaning on Gurley.
Rove!
Footballguy
Elevencents
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mnmplayer
Footballguy
Kamara #1 in PPR if no Ingram. He's the best RB per touch. How quickly we forget how the first month of the season went with no Ingram on the team.
Barkley/Elliot/Gurley/McCaffrey are all on the same tier after that. You could make a case all 5 of them are in the same tier, but they all scored about the same this season, Kamara having a significantly smaller amount of touches. THis last game a is a perfect example. Kamara scored 26 in ppr this week with 11 touches. Without Ingram on the team Kamara was on pace for 500+ points. None of the other guys could score like this with so few touches and he's bigger than McCaffrey.
ETA you could throw Chubb in there too.
Barkley/Elliot/Gurley/McCaffrey are all on the same tier after that. You could make a case all 5 of them are in the same tier, but they all scored about the same this season, Kamara having a significantly smaller amount of touches. THis last game a is a perfect example. Kamara scored 26 in ppr this week with 11 touches. Without Ingram on the team Kamara was on pace for 500+ points. None of the other guys could score like this with so few touches and he's bigger than McCaffrey.
ETA you could throw Chubb in there too.
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mnmplayer
Footballguy
He had 2 touches in the 1st half with #7 throwing 50 yard picks in this last game. He wasn't gassed last week and could easily have carried more that 7 times. He may not get quite that much as he did in the first month, but he could handle a McCaffrey type load and score 400+ easily.
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Kinda feel like a top 3 doesnt tell the full story as it seems like the top tier is clearly 5 RBs.
PPR
1. CMC. Ceiling is unknown. Never seen a RB with as many snaps + receptions (OPPORTUNITY) as he had this year. All while never appearing on an injury report and only getting better as the season wears on. #1 PPR RB this year and he could have had more.
2. Barkley. Immune to situation. Has lived up to the hype in every way. Feels like he will be the safest pick in fantasy for years to come.
3. Gurley. TD ceiling is ridiculous. Less catches than CMC and Barkley, so a little more dependent on the overall success of his offense.
4. Zeke. Can't tell if it would be a good or bad thing for Zeke if the Cowboys were to get a new offensive coordinator. Guy just eats. Injuries + potentially getting Kareem Hunt'd keep him out of top 3.
5. Kamara. If Ingram is gone and its not obvious that he has a replacement, I wouldnt fault anyone for moving him as high as #1.
PPR
1. CMC. Ceiling is unknown. Never seen a RB with as many snaps + receptions (OPPORTUNITY) as he had this year. All while never appearing on an injury report and only getting better as the season wears on. #1 PPR RB this year and he could have had more.
2. Barkley. Immune to situation. Has lived up to the hype in every way. Feels like he will be the safest pick in fantasy for years to come.
3. Gurley. TD ceiling is ridiculous. Less catches than CMC and Barkley, so a little more dependent on the overall success of his offense.
4. Zeke. Can't tell if it would be a good or bad thing for Zeke if the Cowboys were to get a new offensive coordinator. Guy just eats. Injuries + potentially getting Kareem Hunt'd keep him out of top 3.
5. Kamara. If Ingram is gone and its not obvious that he has a replacement, I wouldnt fault anyone for moving him as high as #1.
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Tau837
Footballguy
In PPR, Chubb is #10 in ppg in weeks 7-16, at least for now (Lindsay could pass him tonight).
In weeks 7-16, he has 167/799/6 rushing (4.8 ypc) and 18/153/2 receiving (8.5 ypr) in 9 games. Scale that to 16 games and it is 297/1420/11 rushing and 32/272/3 receiving = 1692 total yards, 14 total TDs, and 32 receptions.
The rushing production is very strong, but his receiving production is not on par with the RBs most rankings have ahead of him (Gurley, Barkley, Elliott, Kamara, McCaffrey, Gordon).
No way he belongs in a top 3 ranking of RBs for next season.
joey
Footballguy
Just seeing that list, plus Chubb, makes me feel pretty good if I get a top 7 pick in redraft next year. Add Bell if he lands in a good spot. I wonder if we could see a throwback first round of all RBs in non-PPR.
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Soulfly3
Footballguy
all valid points...
i am also taking into account that the team is 1yr more mature, the coaching and mgmt stable, and baker is in year 2 of his journey, w the offense clicking better.
Chubb has shown me that 3 catches/game should be his floor (48 for the year)... no, he likely wont be a PPR monster, but his rushing and TDs should make up for it.
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Bell has mentioned wanting to play in INDY...if that happens, he joins the conversation IMO....however I think they have enough depth there already that he may want them more than they would want him....IMO Bell to KC makes way too much sense for both sides if KC can manage the cap...obviously defense is a need but sometimes you have to think about making your strengths stronger and figuring other things out.....Bell to a top team would change the price of donuts....if he did go to KC....hmmmmm
Yep.... though it's very against Andy to pull a move like this. If I were them I'd sign him though and not even pick an offensive player in the draft.
Sometimes RBs stats can be inflated when they start playin mid season due to ‘fresh legs’. Not saying Chubb won’t be good but I’d be wary of projecting out a full season with those stats.
