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Then why does the idea of America’s place in the world keep coming up on this board with rather predictable sides taken by certain posters who we know lean strongly in certain directions? You don’t think there is a connection between the level of patriotism/American exceptionalism and political leanings?
Of those that stated their results, are there any that you think are really wrong? I don't see any that look out of line. "Ambivalent Right" would be my pick for about half the posters here, and about half of those would say they are center left and most would be called far left by a few here.
Then vote accordingly....
A lot of the responses here are going to shatter some perceptions of vocal board residents
By the way....I HATE questions like this:
Because you know the subject of cyber security inside and out doesn't mean you are equipped to write effective policy around it
This is pointless conversation. You're just responding without actually answering the question.By the way....I HATE questions like this:
Because you know the subject of cyber security inside and out doesn't mean you are equipped to write effective policy around it
As I mentioned earlier, I think it painted me more liberal than I am. I'm not happy with the Biden admin and I don't agree with liberals on a lot of economic (and now social) policies.Of those that stated their results, are there any that you think are really wrong? I don't see any that look out of line. "Ambivalent Right" would be my pick for about half the posters here, and about half of those would say they are center left and most would be called far left by a few here.
When taking the survey ("Democratic Mainstays") I thought the questions were a bit funny, but my results and those that I have read seem pretty close to me.
I feel like the roll of experts is to advise elected/appointed leaders who should then set policy based upon the advice received and their judgment. In theory.
That's why there are 15 other questions, I guess.I think the "Liberals think America Sucks" and "Conservatives think America is Exceptional" is inaccurate and lazy.
I guess this depends on how precisely our language is. Are "Policies statements that define the framework for decision making? Consisting of the limits and obligations that have to be considered while making effective decisions?" Generally speaking, this would be legislation created by elected officials.
I'm just riffing on a Friday night, but I'll buy what you are suggesting in that a lot of what is meant by policy is something that should percolate up from the legislative branch, but I was speaking more informally that people who create policy and make decisions (legislators and executives) should be well-informed by experts, and clearly there is a path for advisors to crossover from advisor to advisee (in case that needs to be said).
Well that’s not at all what this is saying.I think the "Liberals think America Sucks" and "Conservatives think America is Exceptional" is inaccurate and lazy.
and there’s multiple types of liberals and conservatives. It seems naive to pretend there isn’t a piece of the conservative movement that is extremely patriotic to a possible fault and that there’s also a piece of the liberal movement that is extremely unpatriotic to a fault. I think isn’t determining whether you are conservative or liberal but more so being used to determine which bucket you fall into based on the other questions. Really it’s just comparing how you answer to how 10,000 other people answered and then giving you the group your answers more coincided with. Perhaps Joe disagrees with the actual groups themselves?
What I thought is that 90% of those that answered this were mixing it all together at which point the experts are the best to create policy. That is how I figured this was meant. But as someone that occasionally gets dragged into Policy and Procedures meeting (where 50% of the discussion isn't the topic at hand but what is policy, what is procedure) the experts advise elected officials answer you gave would have been better, but I figured that is not how the masses answered. Then again maybe the point of the question is to separate who knows the difference and that helps bucket you.
It’s certainly not a perfect tool but it’s probably more accurate than someone just self identifying. I think self identifying is part of out problem right now. Many pick the side they think they should be on based on their social circle or some other sense. People are tossing whole massive swaths of the country into the most extreme versions of that ideology. I thought this was helpful for people to see the complexity of the community and where there is right-left overlap in some surprising spots.
I'm not as negative on it as others, and the Establishment Liberal label is fine for me (rated myself moderate liberal). I think I'm just an outlier in that 'bucket' since it's defined as "holds liberal views on nearly all issues" and I "approve of the job Biden is doing". Those are two big whiffs.
Policy should be written by policy writers in heavy collaboration with experts in the field from a multitude of perspectives. Today, if we're lucky policy makers write policy based on the lobby giving them the most money. Hopefully that lobby has some expertise, but it's likely NOT going to be a multitude of perspectives.
I thought the tool was fine....that one question is the only one that bothered me. I understood the point of the others. And to be honest, that question caught my eye because this is one of the things I have identified as a critical problem in our policy making process in this country....the people writing the policy. It's something I've gone on and on about on the pages of this board for years. Our policy makers aren't as bright as they want to think they are and it shows time and time again in the product they produce whether it be things not thought through completely or things skewed to industry instead of the people.
I think the "Liberals think America Sucks" and "Conservatives think America is Exceptional" is inaccurate and lazy.
That is the question I was referring to as well. It's something that gets argued on this message board all the time. I don't get the issue there. It is not a test of whether one is liberal or conservative. Most groups across the board answer the question in the same way.Joe Bryant said:
I didn't take any personal offense. You can not like the results but it's just a collection of data based on statistical analysis of thousands of voters. It doesn't mean everyone in those boxes will feel exactly that way. It just shows which types of people you are likely to have the most agreement with. It is putting one into a range of voters that they likely have a lot in common with. It's no different than using data to model predictions for fantasy football. Sure some of the predictions will be wrong but it's an attempt to find the most likely outcomes based on similarities among a large sample. We will always have those Arian Foster types that just don't make sense. We will always have some people with unique and totally unpredictable political views. Somewhere there is probably an older white woman in Texas who votes Republican, is deeply religious, anti-abortion, pro-gun but who thinks Joe Biden is actually doing a fine job. It defies all probability but like you said, labels don't work perfectly.Joe Bryant said:
Very interesting quiz. I also got ambivalent right which surprised me a bit. I think keeping all answers the same but assigning them a different weight could have easily put me somewhere else.
Yeah the traditional left-center-right specturm is really inaccurate and not that helpful IMO. However, if we are assuming that is what's used for this poll, I would say a libertarian falls under right wing radical given the options here.
