Agreed, I thought he would run in the mid 4.5s so his speed surprised me.Really nice athlete. Anyone watch him play yet? How would you describe him? Interesting that some who watched his film thought he was lacking speed.
East Carolina WR Zay Jones tested as a 94.1-percentile SPARQ athlete at the NFL Combine.
He finished with the No. 2 SPARQ score among receivers. Jones surprisingly beat Taywan Taylor and Carlos Henderson in the 40-yard dash by clocking in at 4.46 seconds. In addition, Jones an 11-foot-plus broad jump that was near the top of the field and showed extremely well in position drills. He may have locked in a slot in the top half of Round 2.
Source: 3sigmaathlete.com
Mar 6 - 6:44 PM
I've watched a couple of games and this is what I saw:Really nice athlete. Anyone watch him play yet? How would you describe him? Interesting that some who watched his film thought he was lacking speed.
I was thoroughly unimpressed. I did not see much route running, mostly hitches and stops. He didn't play with any physicality and did not separate as you would expect someone with his tested athleticism to. I thought he showed pretty good hands though. He is not even top ten for me in spite of the impressive combine showing.Really nice athlete. Anyone watch him play yet? How would you describe him? Interesting that some who watched his film thought he was lacking speed.
Yeah weird case hereI was thoroughly unimpressed. I did not see much route running, mostly hitches and stops. He didn't play with any physicality and did not separate as you would expect someone with his tested athleticism to. I thought he showed pretty good hands though. He is not even top ten for me in spite of the impressive combine showing.
Just to add to this, I didn't see him go out towards the ball and grab it very often if at all. He runs some good routes and catches well but it's not a go to the ball type of catch which concerned me a little. I also thought he wasn't very explosive when I watched him but his tests say otherwise. I'll be re-watching him a little bit in the next couple of days.I was thoroughly unimpressed. I did not see much route running, mostly hitches and stops. He didn't play with any physicality and did not separate as you would expect someone with his tested athleticism to. I thought he showed pretty good hands though. He is not even top ten for me in spite of the impressive combine showing.
An NFL personnel executives suggests that East Carolina WR Zay Jones could be a surprise first-rounder in this year's NFL Draft.
"Zay Jones has crushed the postseason," he said. "He was one of the best players in Mobile (Senior Bowl) and he ran much faster than expected at the combine (4.45 40). He could sneak into the first round." It wasn't just that Jones ran faster than expected in Indy. He destroyed the athletic testing, finishing with the No. 2 SPARQ score among receivers. Jones' 11-foot-plus broad jump was near the top of the field.
Source: NFL.com
Zay Jones has a great work ethic. Latimer, I felt never did. Mini camp will tell a story on him.Why do I feel like I'm about to get Lattimer'd every time I try to place this guy on my rankings?
''The Outlaw With the Cleanest Hands in the East''Zay Jones has a great work ethic. Latimer, I felt never did. Mini camp will tell a story on him.
http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2017/01/28/zay-jones-the-outlaw-with-the-cleanest-hands-in-the-east/
Pro Football Focus compared East Carolina WR Zay Jones to former Arizona Cardinals WR Anquan Boldin.
"While Jones may have clocked a faster 40 at the combine than Boldin, his playing speed looks similar to the veteran wide receiver," writes the PFF analysis team. To give a little context, Boldin managed just 4.71 seconds in the 40-yard dash at the 2003 Combine. Zay smoked that time, running a 4.45s sprint during testing in Indianapolis during the 2017 evaluation process. He is one of the draft's dark horses to be selected on Day 1.
Source: Pro Football Focus
Apr 2 - 3:10 PM
When you can't block, you will not be a full time player and likely relegated to multiple receiver sets / passing down formations. This will limit his target opportunities. Believe it or not, WR's have to effectively block if they want playing time, just like RBs need to pass block to be 3 down players. If a running play, bubble screen, etc. breaks down because of his flaws, he will find himself buried on the depth chart until remedied.I don't know why anyone would talk about his blocking.
Nah. If a guy refuses to block, as in a lack of even trying, he might lose favour with coaches but that's an effort or character thing. A great blocker gets an extra note on his report but that's about it.When you can't block, you will not be a full time player and likely relegated to multiple receiver sets / passing down formations. This will limit his target opportunities. Believe it or not, WR's have to effectively block if they want playing time, just like RBs need to pass block to be 3 down players. If a running play, bubble screen, etc. breaks down because of his flaws, he will find himself buried on the depth chart until remedied.
They mentioned that the former ECU receivers coach is now the receiver coach for the Bills. Might be an option for the Bills.
I didn't say "refuses to block", but whatever. In your earlier post you said, "I don't know why anyone would talk about his blocking", and I explained to you why blocking does actually matter when it comes to playing time. If you don't think it matters, fine. Good for you.Nah. If a guy refuses to block, as in a lack of even trying, he might lose favour with coaches but that's an effort or character thing. A great blocker gets an extra note on his report but that's about it.
If we go with the idea that a WR is a "bad" blocker then he just runs clearing routes. If DBs start cheating the run, play action over the top. On a bubble screen the WR only needs to at attempt a block. Just stand in the way. And now we're down to discussing 2 plays a game in WR screens. Blocking should be at the bottom of the list of traits when making a depth chart.
Sorry I forgot about all the NFL WRs that have been benched because they weren't good enough blockers. Here I was thinking that catching, route running, release, QB/team chemistry, situational awareness, physical traits, offensive and defensive scheme understanding were all more important.I didn't say "refuses to block", but whatever. In your earlier post you said, "I don't know why anyone would talk about his blocking", and I explained to you why blocking does actually matter when it comes to playing time. If you don't think it matters, fine. Good for you.
You're right. The best WRs play. If they can block that's just an added bonus.Nah. If a guy refuses to block, as in a lack of even trying, he might lose favour with coaches but that's an effort or character thing. A great blocker gets an extra note on his report but that's about it.
If we go with the idea that a WR is a "bad" blocker then he just runs clearing routes. If DBs start cheating the run, play action over the top. On a bubble screen the WR only needs to at attempt a block. Just stand in the way. And now we're down to discussing 2 plays a game in WR screens. Blocking should be at the bottom of the list of traits when making a depth chart.
Did I say those weren't important? Let me check.... nope. One of us in this conversation won 7 of 10 dynasty leagues last year, 3rd in another and cleared $6K and has been doing fantasy football since 1988. But hey, you do your thing.Sorry I forgot about all the NFL WRs that have been benched because they weren't good enough blockers. Here I was thinking that catching, route running, release, QB/team chemistry, situational awareness, physical traits, offensive and defensive scheme understanding were all more important.
I got a little salty there but I'm just trying to help. Honestly. It will give you ineffective rankings if you adjust them for blocking and it's an inefficient use of your time with film. It's not totally irrelevant but it's definitely close to the bottom of importance. For the sake of FF, it's even less important.
Well that's ten seconds of my life I'd like back.Did I say those weren't important? Let me check.... nope. One of us in this conversation won 7 of 10 dynasty leagues last year, 3rd in another and cleared $6K and has been doing fantasy football since 1988. But hey, you do your thing.
BTW, not that 6K is a big deal, because it's not as many of the guys I play in leagues with are in 30-50 leagues and routinely win a heck of a lot more than that. Just saying, this isn't my first rodeo.....
And that is 3 seconds of my life I will never get back. thanksWell that's ten seconds of my life I'd like back.
No, usually it's decided by total number of posts or by who can be the most pompous D-bag.Just curious...has anyone ever won an internet argument by pointing to his fantasy football record?
Argument lost, but award for most pompous D-bag goes to you, congrats.No, usually it's decided by total number of posts or by who can be the most pompous D-bag.
I can get on board with this. Probably a very solid receiver in the league, maybe a glory year or 2 thrown in there.Reminds me of Stevie Johnson from his highlights.
No, but if you claim to have won 7 of 10 dynasty leagues it's probably time to upgrade your competition.Just curious...has anyone ever won an internet argument by pointing to his fantasy football record?
So I guess we now know how internet arguments are won; some random guy blandly chimes in, which is then followed up with "likes". Just a suggestion, next time try it with some snark to really validate the ruling and encourage more "likes", then avoid comparing the player in question to someone totally unrelated, thereby mitigating credibility gap. HTHArgument lost, but award for most pompous D-bag goes to you, congrats.
I can get on board with this. Probably a very solid receiver in the league, maybe a glory year or 2 thrown in there.
I'm sure your leagues are "super competitive" and nobody's leagues can ever be as tough as yours are or even begin to comprehend your level of expertise or the other guys in your amazing leagues..... I admit this last year was a one off year and only being in two $250 buy-ins kept my payouts down. How many $500 leagues are you in and do you have any openings? I may be looking to add a league this year. Post in the "looking for leagues" so I can check them out.No, but if you claim to have won 7 of 10 dynasty leagues it's probably time to upgrade your competition.
And this would be why no one wins an argument by pointing to their FF record.I'm sure your leagues are "super competitive" and nobody's leagues can ever be as tough as yours are or even begin to comprehend your level of expertise or the other guys in your amazing leagues..... I admit this last year was a one off year and only being in two $250 buy-ins kept my payouts down. How many $500 leagues are you in and do you have any openings? I may be looking to add a league this year. Post in the "looking for leagues" so I can check them out.No, but if you claim to have won 7 of 10 dynasty leagues it's probably time to upgrade your competition.
No, but I did break my arm patting myself on the back last night (while staying at a Holiday Inn Express).Just curious...has anyone ever won an internet argument by pointing to his fantasy football record?
I think 3rd is where he is likely to go, but in this draft, it will come down to how teams see the WRs fitting their schemes. Outside of maybe Corey Davis and Mike Williams, there aren't any prototypical WR1 types until you get into the late round flyers. My guesspectations would be:So anyway....Zay Jones....2nd or 3rd rd in the NFL draft? Is that his likely draft stock or am I underestimating his NFL value?
I don't think there's any way he gets out of the second.I think 3rd is where he is likely to go, but in this draft, it will come down to how teams see the WRs fitting their schemes. Outside of maybe Corey Davis and Mike Williams, there aren't any prototypical WR1 types until you get into the late round flyers. My guesspectations would be:
Rd1: Davis, Williams, Ross
Rd2: Henderson, Godwin
Rd3: Jones, JJSS, Kupp, Taylor
This might be right, though I don't think Zay makes it past 2.58 (Seattle)I think 3rd is where he is likely to go, but in this draft, it will come down to how teams see the WRs fitting their schemes. Outside of maybe Corey Davis and Mike Williams, there aren't any prototypical WR1 types until you get into the late round flyers. My guesspectations would be:
Rd1: Davis, Williams, Ross
Rd2: Henderson, Godwin
Rd3: Jones, JJSS, Kupp, Taylor
Yeah I definitely can see Zay's combine pushing him into 2ndThis might be right, though I don't think Zay makes it past 2.58 (Seattle)
Are you sure Henderson shouldn't be swapped out with Curtis Samuel? I really like Godwin in the 2nd though. Is Samual sinking or are you just saying you don't think the type of player he is will be in as much demand as anticipated by most?I think 3rd is where he is likely to go, but in this draft, it will come down to how teams see the WRs fitting their schemes. Outside of maybe Corey Davis and Mike Williams, there aren't any prototypical WR1 types until you get into the late round flyers. My guesspectations would be:
Rd1: Davis, Williams, Ross
Rd2: Henderson, Godwin
Rd3: Jones, JJSS, Kupp, Taylor
I think Samuel goes round 2 but I don't know what position he really is. I've seen some call him a pure slot WR, some say he should stay at RB. I just don't know.Are you sure Henderson shouldn't be swapped out with Curtis Samuel? I really like Godwin in the 2nd though. Is Samual sinking or are you just saying you don't think the type of player he is will be in as much demand as anticipated by most?
I think I might go...
Rd1: Williams, Ross, Davis
Rd2: Godwin, Samual, Jones
Rd3: JSS, Stewart
With a big group on that day-3 bubble(Dupre, Henderson, Kupp, Westbrook, Hansen, Taylor).
As you said, so much depends on system fit. I think a lot also depends if a team is willing to move up to get their guy on day-2 or sit patiently for one of a few guys to fall to them on day-3.
The Giants would be the last place he goes imo. With Beckham and Shepard they're pretty stacked.
The Giants would be the last place he goes imo. With Beckham andShepardMarshall they're pretty stacked.