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Brees agrees to contract w/ NO (1 Viewer)

Mike Detillier (local NFL 'expert') says the Mario Williams talk is all fluff and the Saints want to trade the pick. He didnt speculate who they want specific. He did say he has this guy Williams the highest since Peppers came out.
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Makes sense. First, Mario might just be the 2nd best player in this draft. A lot of us like Leinart a lot, but Mario is better. Second, what do the Saints need now? AJ Hawk would be great, but no chance would they take him at 1.02. From a FF standpoint, as a Zach Hilton owner, I LOVE this signing. I'm not going to say Zach = Gates, but Brees is accostumed to looking for his TE. Hilton will be a damn good one. Again, not saying he's Gates, but he's pretty good.
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I agree with everything you said except that there is a chance the Saints take Hawk at 2.
 
Mike Detillier (local NFL 'expert') says the Mario Williams talk is all fluff and the Saints want to trade the pick. He didnt speculate who they want specific. He did say he has this guy Williams the highest since Peppers came out.
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Makes sense. First, Mario might just be the 2nd best player in this draft. A lot of us like Leinart a lot, but Mario is better. Second, what do the Saints need now? AJ Hawk would be great, but no chance would they take him at 1.02. From a FF standpoint, as a Zach Hilton owner, I LOVE this signing. I'm not going to say Zach = Gates, but Brees is accostumed to looking for his TE. Hilton will be a damn good one. Again, not saying he's Gates, but he's pretty good.
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It certainly won't be bad for Hilton. Brooks wouldn't see the TE unless he stepped in front of Horn.
 
Mike Detillier (local NFL 'expert') says the Mario Williams talk is all fluff and the Saints want to trade the pick. He didnt speculate who they want specific. He did say he has this guy Williams the highest since Peppers came out.
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Makes sense. First, Mario might just be the 2nd best player in this draft. A lot of us like Leinart a lot, but Mario is better. Second, what do the Saints need now? AJ Hawk would be great, but no chance would they take him at 1.02. From a FF standpoint, as a Zach Hilton owner, I LOVE this signing. I'm not going to say Zach = Gates, but Brees is accostumed to looking for his TE. Hilton will be a damn good one. Again, not saying he's Gates, but he's pretty good.
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I agree with everything you said except that there is a chance the Saints take Hawk at 2.
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i think there is a greater chance they drop back, picking up some pick(s) and grabbing a guy like greenway before they reach - and it is a reach for hawk at 1.2 - for hawk. if they can, dropping down 2-3 places and grabbing hawk will happen.
 
Mike Detillier (local NFL 'expert') says the Mario Williams talk is all fluff and the Saints want to trade the pick. He didnt speculate who they want specific. He did say he has this guy Williams the highest since Peppers came out.
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Makes sense. First, Mario might just be the 2nd best player in this draft. A lot of us like Leinart a lot, but Mario is better. Second, what do the Saints need now? AJ Hawk would be great, but no chance would they take him at 1.02. From a FF standpoint, as a Zach Hilton owner, I LOVE this signing. I'm not going to say Zach = Gates, but Brees is accostumed to looking for his TE. Hilton will be a damn good one. Again, not saying he's Gates, but he's pretty good.
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I agree with everything you said except that there is a chance the Saints take Hawk at 2.
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i think there is a greater chance they drop back, picking up some pick(s) and grabbing a guy like greenway before they reach - and it is a reach for hawk at 1.2 - for hawk. if they can, dropping down 2-3 places and grabbing hawk will happen.
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Since we're talking about reaches...How about this. Drop back to #13 for Ray Lewis, and maybe some change. Does Ray Lewis still want out of Baltimore? I know they would be interested in one of the QBs. I don't know, but many thoughts are racing through my head right now.

 
The Saints are getting a very competitive and intelligent QB with great leadership ability who responds well to pressure.

He lacks height or a great arm, but has proven that he can be effective without them.

I hope his shoulder fully recovers.

 
That's not much money guaranteed [$10 million]...Saints have a decent deal in place.
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More than I would have expected, given his injury status.It's interesting that the Dolphins are the ones who spent all day giving him a full medical examination . . . and then the next day they go a different direction and Brees signs with the Saints.

 
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The Saints have better receivers than SD, a weaker defense and they are much more likely to be playing from behind.
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Gates + McCardell + Tomlinson + Parker + Caldwell > Horn + Stallworth + Hilton + Hakim + McCallister
 
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Very good signing for the Saints. Im sure this will help attract other Free Sgents to N.O and gives you guys great flexibility in the draft. You guys really needed this.

I just hope his shoulder full recovers - for your sake.

 
The Saints are getting a very competitive and intelligent QB with great leadership ability who responds well to pressure.

He lacks height or a great arm, but has proven that he can be effective without them.

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In other words Brees is the Anti-Brooks.
 
The Saints have better receivers than SD, a weaker defense and they are much more likely to be playing from behind.
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Gates + McCardell + Parker + Caldwell > Horn + Stallworth + Hilton + Hakim
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gates + mccardell + parker + caldwell >horn + stallworth + hilton surebut gates + mccardell + parker + caldwell < brees + horn + stallworth + hilton

 
gates + mccardell + parker + caldwell >horn + stallworth + hilton sure

but gates + mccardell + parker + caldwell < brees + horn + stallworth + hilton
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you expect Brees to catch a lot of balls do you? GL with that.
 
gates + mccardell + parker + caldwell >horn + stallworth + hilton sure

but gates + mccardell + parker + caldwell < brees + horn + stallworth + hilton
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you expect Brees to catch a lot of balls do you? GL with that.
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i think brees will be better for the saints this year than rivers will be for that chargers offense. i don't think there is any point in comparing the surrounding casts for either team, quite frankly. brees made the passing game go.
 
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That's not much money guaranteed [$10 million]...Saints have a decent deal in place.
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More than I would have expected, given his injury status.It's interesting that the Dolphins are the ones who spent all day giving him a full medical examination . . . and then the next day they go a different direction and Brees signs with the Saints.
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I think this ends up being a poor decision for the Saints, even more so after they decide not to take Leinart. I never was a Brees fan, and see him as damaged goods at this point. He didnt have the strongest of arms to begin with - if this even approaches Pennington's issue, this is a major mistake IMO.
 
i think brees will be better for the saints this year than rivers will be for that chargers offense. i don't think there is any point in comparing the surrounding casts for either team, quite frankly.
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You are probably right on all counts. Their offensive rosters are similar enough that it might be difficult to decide who gets the edge (SD). I only responded to an earlier post claiming that Brees would have better targets in New Orleans (not true).
 
i think brees will be better for the saints this year than rivers will be for that chargers offense. i don't think there is any point in comparing the surrounding casts for either team, quite frankly.
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You are probably right on all counts. Their offensive rosters are similar enough that it might be difficult to decide who gets the edge (SD). I only responded to an earlier post claiming that Brees would have better targets in New Orleans (not true).
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i think the only real difference maker between the two passing games is gates and tomlinson. having a great pass catching RB makes a huge difference, of course. gates, though, is a machine and downright lethal in the redzone. the saints have better WR's, i think, but it will require an adjustment on their part to his style of passing (touch/finesse).
 
Brees tore the labrum and damaged the rotator cuff in his throwing shoulder in the final game last season and underwent surgery Jan. 5. He said Sunday that he faces another four or five months of recovery and doesn't anticipate any long-term effects.

Now wait a minute! This, the article referencing his signing is the FIRST place I have seen torn rotator cuff included.

WTH? are the Saints, or anyone for that matter thinking signing this guy? and then possibly(as stated in the same article) trading down and passing on Matt L. as a possible franchise QB?

The Titans(assuming they don't draft Brick) must be dancing in the streets.
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MSNBC.comReport: Brees gets optimistic news on shoulder

Soon-to-be free agent QB may be ready to go for team's mini-camp in May

NBCSports.com news services

Updated: 11:11 p.m. ET March 2, 2006

San Diego Chargers quarterback Drew Brees received an encouraging report on his surgically-repaired right shoulder Thursday, according to ESPN.

Dr. James Andrews' analysis could allow Brees to participate in a team's mini-camp in May. Brees is scheduled to become a free agent this weekend.

Brees underwent arthroscopic surgery on Jan. 5. Andrews, who deemed the surgery successful, was able to correct the damage without having to use a more intrusive procedure involving a surgical knife, reported ESPN.

"At this point, he is eight-plus weeks post-op and is ahead of schedule relative to his healing process and recovery," Andrews told ESPN. "He has divided his time here in Birmingham, Ala., working under our shoulder rehab specialist Kevin Wilk along with rehabbing in San Diego."

Andrews said Brees' strength is improving and he expects a full recovery for the 2006 season.

"Our plan is to start him on an interval football throwing program at the four month interval, which will allow him to participate in some drills during an anticipated May mini-camp," Andrews told ESPN.

Brees suffered the injury in the Dec. 31 season finale against Denver.

Coach Marty Schottenheimer would like San Diego to keep Brees in the fold. But Chargers general manager A.J. Smith has said concerns over Brees' health would limit the team's offers.

The Chargers are approximately $17 million under the salary cap for 2006.

Last season, Brees completed 323 passes in 500 attempts for 3,353 yards. He threw 24 touchdowns and 15 interceptions. His quarterback rating was 89.2.

© 2006 NBC Sports.com

© 2006 MSNBC.com

URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11646671/
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The article I quoted was from TODAY, the article you are quoting is from March 2nd. That's my point. Nowhere does it say in the article you are quoting that Brees had/has a torn rotator cuff.
 
The article I quoted was from TODAY, the article you are quoting is from March 2nd. That's my point. Nowhere does it say in the article you are quoting that Brees had/has a torn rotator cuff.
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ESPN article saying he had no rotator cuff damageSD paper daying he did

Excerpt:

"Other orthopedic surgeons questioned yesterday said a rotator cuff tear could be considered more severe than just a labrum tear. But they also said they would be surprised if they saw a professional quarterback or pitcher who did not have a partial tear of the rotator cuff.

“There is going to be wear and tear,” said one.

The doctors, who did not want to be quoted because Brees is not their patient, said Andrews' letter should be taken at face value. They indicated that since Andrews thinks Brees will be ready, he probably will be.

Andrews, a renowned surgeon from Birmingham, Ala., repeated at the end of his letter the prediction that Brees will recover fully and added Brees should “participate at a high level” in 2006.

Other doctors cautioned there is no way to absolutely predict when Brees' shoulder will fully recover.

All Smith has said is that he has “some medical concerns” about Brees' shoulder.

Brees maintains he is four weeks ahead of schedule in his recovery. Andrews' letter confirmed Brees is “ahead of schedule” but did not specify how far ahead. The letter said Brees has “regained full range of motion.” Andrews also said, as Brees has, that Brees will begin throwing the first week of May. "

 
Great move by the Saints.

The Dolphins will regret not upping their offer and trading for bustpepper.

 
as a Horn dynasty ownrs in 2 leagues I like this.
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Horn may benefit, but Stallworth looked like he was already emerging as the #1. And as he no longer has Brooks to lock on him, I might temper my expectations for Joe.

 
Wow. How much better was New Orleans' offer? I hope it was a lot more than what Miami was offering.

J
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Now please explain this to me? Is it the organization? The team or the city? I hope your rationale is solid...
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Hi Scotty,You don't think Miami would have been a more desirable situation for a QB to go to?

They're a team that seems like they're a QB away from being ultra competitive. New Orleans does not.

J

 
Wow. How much better was New Orleans' offer? I hope it was a lot more than what Miami was offering.

J
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Now please explain this to me? Is it the organization? The team or the city? I hope your rationale is solid...
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Hi Scotty,You don't think Miami would have been a more desirable situation for a QB to go to?

They're a team that seems like they're a QB away from being ultra competitive. New Orleans does not.

J
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:yes: South Beach versus New Orleans...prior to Katrina this would've been a pick 'em but the cold truth of the matter is that South Beach is the more desirable locale now.

Saban versus Sean Payton :lmao:

Mularkey versus Marrone :lmao: :lmao:

 
This is interesting....from PFT:

Lost in the hubbub regarding the decision of Drew Brees to sign with the Saints is the fact that his contract is, as a practical matter, a one-year deal.

Why? Because the deal contains a whopping $12 million option bonus due in the spring of 2007, in addition to his $8 million signing bonus.

so are they still angling for Leinart as the heir apparent and Brees is a one year stopgap?

 
This is interesting....from PFT:

Lost in the hubbub regarding the decision of Drew Brees to sign with the Saints is the fact that his contract is, as a practical matter, a one-year deal.

Why? Because the deal contains a whopping $12 million option bonus due in the spring of 2007, in addition to his $8 million signing bonus.

so are they still angling for Leinart as the heir apparent and Brees is a one year stopgap?
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If the deal is thought to average 10 mil per year, is 12 mil bonus for one of those years really that "whopping"?
 
No way they angle for Leinart with this contract set up - think of all the upfront that would have to go to him - that's too much in terms of early $$$. They are probably covering their bases in case the shoulder really is toast - this would probably send them back to an early draft pick anyway and of course there will be more QBs coming out next year as well.

-QG

 
This is interesting....from PFT:

Lost in the hubbub regarding the decision of Drew Brees to sign with the Saints is the fact that his contract is, as a practical matter, a one-year deal.

Why? Because the deal contains a whopping $12 million option bonus due in the spring of 2007, in addition to his $8 million signing bonus.

so are they still angling for Leinart as the heir apparent and Brees is a one year stopgap?
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If the deal is thought to average 10 mil per year, is 12 mil bonus for one of those years really that "whopping"?
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While I agree the word "whopping" seems a bit out of place, MSU makes a good point that this could very well only be a one year situation for Brees in NO.Since I've been watching Brees I've only seen him play like a $10mil QB one year and that was a year before the injury. His success this season hinges on not just one but two full recoveries, his and McAllisters. If Brees doesn't play like a $12mil QB in 2006 he probably won't be in NO in 2007.

 
This is interesting....from PFT:

Lost in the hubbub regarding the decision of Drew Brees to sign with the Saints is the fact that his contract is, as a practical matter, a one-year deal.

Why? Because the deal contains a whopping $12 million option bonus due in the spring of 2007, in addition to his $8 million signing bonus.

so are they still angling for Leinart as the heir apparent and Brees is a one year stopgap?
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If the deal is thought to average 10 mil per year, is 12 mil bonus for one of those years really that "whopping"?
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If there is a $8M signing bonus and a $12 roster bonus at Yr 2, then he's base salary averages out to 6.67M/yr. I don't know what his actual base salary is each year, but if they are even, Brees will be paid:Yr 1 - $14.67M

Yr 2 - $18.67M

Yr 3 - $6.66M

Yr 4 - $6.67M

Yr 5 - $6.67M

Yr 6 - $6.66M

Year 2 does appear to be a whopper, but if they keep him for two years, he should be a bargain in years 3-6. Capwise, I know that the signing bonus will be spread out over the actual life of the contract, but I'm not sure if the Yr 2 roster bonus gets spread out over the last 5 years...

 
For what it's worth, we're told that the signing was encourged by Bill Parcell, telling Sean to Drew Brees and don't drag it out.

 
Salary breakdown

This article kind of goes into the structure of the deal, at least for the first two years. His 2007 salary seems pretty high, but keep in mind that the cap is supposed to rise to $107 million next year.

Seems like a very reasonable price for a potential pro bowl QB. It also lets the Saints dump him if his shoulder isn't right.

 
Salary breakdown

This article kind of goes into the structure of the deal, at least for the first two years. His 2007 salary seems pretty high, but keep in mind that the cap is supposed to rise to $107 million next year.

Seems like a very reasonable price for a potential pro bowl QB. It also lets the Saints dump him if his shoulder isn't right.
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Right. From every indication I have read/heard, the option for next year is a team one instead of a player one. This is key, I think...
 
P.S. Sorry for the bump, but it's a boring Tuesday and I was reading through old Brees threads.

There's a lot of funny in here. :banned:

 
'softball said:
WTH? are the Saints, or anyone for that matter thinking signing this guy? and then possibly(as stated in the same article) trading down and passing on Matt L. as a possible franchise QB?
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The NFL is just ridiculously unpredictable. Post above is over five years old. Not picking on softball at all ... just pointing out how sometimes, the obvious no-brainer stuff about the NFL can just get turned on its head.
 
'a005511 said:
Down goes Brees's fantasy value. Gla :D d I did not pick him up in one of my keeper leagues.
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'GroveDiesel said:
Just to address everyone in one thread:

Yeah, this would conceivably increase the chances of the Saints taking Ferguson, but I actually don't see them going with Ferguson if picking there. But I think they'll be able to trade down. Of course that could just increase the chances of someone trading up to take Ferguson so either way, point taken.

As for the Jets going with Pennington, trading for Ramsey or trading for Harrington, all of those options make me fairly happy as a Bills fan. Pennington won't last another season and already didn't have enough zip on the ball. Harrington sucks and Ramsey has quite a few problems as well. Hey, I'm not saying that the Bills are any better off with Losman, but I can't say that any of those options scare me a whole lot.

And the Niners are precisely why I said that the chances increased for the Bills to get him. It definitely would not be a lock at all. The biggest argument against the Niners taking Ferguson would be that they already signed Jonas Jennings to a big contract to play LT. I guess they could play Ferguson at RT though.

Come on, let me dream for crying out loud...

Oh, and 6 years/$60M with $10M guaranteed for a guy coming off a huge shoulder injury? :X
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'shake zula said:
Brees = Bust in NO's
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'Ministry of Pain said:
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Miami only wanted to give about $7 million a yr...NO $10 million a year...that's a 42% increase...but I also think NO had more guaranteed money...Saints really needed to get a guy they could build the franchise image around...I hope that turf is kind to Brees when he is laying on his back or gets driven into the ground on that concrete.

He would have looked better in a Miami Dolphins uniform...but CPepp will be just fine for Miami.
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'Jason Wood said:
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Now please explain this to me? Is it the organization? The team or the city? I hope your rationale is solid...
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Hi Scotty,

You don't think Miami would have been a more desirable situation for a QB to go to?

They're a team that seems like they're a QB away from being ultra competitive. New Orleans does not.

J

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:yes: South Beach versus New Orleans...prior to Katrina this would've been a pick 'em but the cold truth of the matter is that South Beach is the more desirable locale now.

Saban versus Sean Payton :lmao:

Mularkey versus Marrone :lmao: :lmao:

[/QUOTE]Tremendous, all of it.
 
'Doug B said:
'softball said:
WTH? are the Saints, or anyone for that matter thinking signing this guy? and then possibly(as stated in the same article) trading down and passing on Matt L. as a possible franchise QB?
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The NFL is just ridiculously unpredictable. Post above is over five years old. Not picking on softball at all ... just pointing out how sometimes, the obvious no-brainer stuff about the NFL can just get turned on its head.
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No question about it. He was coming off a serious injury. Many people thought he was done.Now he's a LOCK Hall of Famer.

It'll be a sad day when he retires. I love watching this dude play.

 
'Doug B said:
'softball said:
WTH? are the Saints, or anyone for that matter thinking signing this guy? and then possibly(as stated in the same article) trading down and passing on Matt L. as a possible franchise QB?
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The NFL is just ridiculously unpredictable. Post above is over five years old. Not picking on softball at all ... just pointing out how sometimes, the obvious no-brainer stuff about the NFL can just get turned on its head.
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:goodposting: And yet everyone around here is acting like its fait accompli that the Colts will draft Luck and enjoy another 15 years or so of elite QB play.

 
'Raider Nation said:
P.S. Sorry for the bump, but it's a boring Tuesday and I was reading through old Brees threads.There's a lot of funny in here. :banned:
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And some sad. I really haven't been as excited about San Diego (my #2 team and former home) since he walked. Not to turn this to a Charger thread, but letting Brees, Turner and Sproles get away with no return, and no real postseason success without them (though they were one high-light moment idiot away from a SB) is some pretty porr GMmanship.
 
'Raider Nation said:
No question about it. He was coming off a serious injury. Many people thought he was done.
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I do wonder, though, if the football-knowledgeable community at large -- traditional sports media, fantasy sites, rumor sites, and hardcore fans -- could've done a collectively better job of predicting Brees' ascendency in New Orleans.Was there any kind of information available in March 2006 that would have mitigated concerns about the shoulder? In hindsight, was the injury less severe than thought? IOW, since medical records were involved, perhaps no one besides Brees and a very few others knew the true extent and recoverability of his shoulder injury?Or, rather, was the injury truly bad, but Brees kind of lucked out, medically?
 
'Doug B said:
'Raider Nation said:
No question about it. He was coming off a serious injury. Many people thought he was done.
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I do wonder, though, if the football-knowledgeable community at large -- traditional sports media, fantasy sites, rumor sites, and hardcore fans -- could've done a collectively better job of predicting Brees' ascendency in New Orleans.
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I don't know, but it is pretty telling that this thread only got 81 replies at the time.If Brees were traded right now, it would be 81 pages.

 
'TheLaw said:
I think this ends up being a poor decision for the Saints, even more so after they decide not to take Leinart. I never was a Brees fan, and see him as damaged goods at this point. He didnt have the strongest of arms to begin with - if this even approaches Pennington's issue, this is a major mistake IMO.
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:shrug:
 
'Jason Wood said:
:yes:

South Beach versus New Orleans...prior to Katrina this would've been a pick 'em but the cold truth of the matter is that South Beach is the more desirable locale now.

Saban versus Sean Payton :lmao:

Mularkey versus Marrone :lmao: :lmao:
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I wonder if Saban could be effective in the NFL for a strong organization? I thnk Payton ended up winning this comparison, though.
 
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