Rick James
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omg can't wait to see Ser Arthur Dayne
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HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (8 Viewers)
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Rick James
Footballguy
I know this is practically impossible, but I think the show would be much better if it settled on 2 or 3 stories per episode instead of doing 10-11 scenes at 5 minutes a pop
Mjolnirs
Footballguy
You think the same thing reading the books. You really get into a particular story and when the chapter ends, you can't wait to get back to that character. Then as the chapters go by and you don't, you get into the ones you are currently reading. Then, 100 pages later, you get back to that character and it's great. Meanwhile, you've bookmarked your brain on all of the other stories too. It's a great strategy.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I love Davos, just seems out of nowhere that he's at the point with Snow that he would ask the red woman to cast a spell.
Rick James
Footballguy
Davos knows Stannis is dead but he doesn't know about Shireen being burned alive, right?
sn0mm1s
Footballguy
Sabertooth said:
Meh - the books are far superior to the show. And, I would say the show writers did it to GRRM. They have cut/consolidated/butchered a fair amount of material. I would much rather see Littlefinger plotting with Sansa, the "real" Dorne, Quentyn's storyline could've intersected with Tyrion's etc. etc. I think the Aegon angle was fine to leave out since that would be introducing another entire cast that may play minor roles. But a Quentyn + Tyrion story line would've nicely dovetailed into a Daenerys + Martell alliance.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Had a slight case of Sword of the Morning today. At 42, I'll take it. 
Abrantes
Footballguy
That would probably require extending the show to at least 9 or 10 seasons. Can't remember the last show that managed to remain culturally relevant for that long, and if that's what GRRM expected, it's absolutely on him, regardless of what the book readers might have preferred.
sn0mm1s
Footballguy
10 seasons is a little much - but 8 or 9 seasons seems pretty reasonable considering the amount of source material (both produced and expected).
When are you expecting the rest of the written work? 2030? That's a long wait and of course that likely means an alternate author because by that time GRRM will have given in to his gluttony and exploded, his heart at least at any rate.
sn0mm1s
Footballguy
I would still expect the show to finish before the books but I wouldn't have expected the show writers to go off the rails until after book 6 was released. 2020-2021 is when I would expect the last book to be released with the show finishing ~2 years before the final book.
massraider
Footballguy
Ha. "Books".
The minute this show deviated, and passed the books, I stopped caring about the books, and whether or not the show is true to the books or whatever.
Now, this is a show I am interested in, with an amazing deep back story, and I want to see how the show turns out.
The books come out when the books come out. I don't care when they come out. If GRRM dies before then, hey I had the show to wrapup the story.
And the fans are such ####heads about his health, I hope he lives forever, never publishing the books, and sending out Tweets from Taco Bell.
The minute this show deviated, and passed the books, I stopped caring about the books, and whether or not the show is true to the books or whatever.
Now, this is a show I am interested in, with an amazing deep back story, and I want to see how the show turns out.
The books come out when the books come out. I don't care when they come out. If GRRM dies before then, hey I had the show to wrapup the story.
And the fans are such ####heads about his health, I hope he lives forever, never publishing the books, and sending out Tweets from Taco Bell.
CBusAlex
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Who cares about the books at this point. Show is awesome.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
That was a good episode, maybe one of the best of the series so far for me. It actually got me to like Bran and Davos when I had been pretty ambivalent about them before. Tyrion's scene was fantastic.
The Arya story needs to start going somewhere. They don't seem to have a lot of show left to get her back to Westeros to do her thing, and I'm sure they haven't spent all this time with her just to have her sent out on random faceless man missions. Who's left on her list at this point? Cersei?
Hopefully the show can make the whole Ironborne thing more interesting than it was in the books - that storyline really sagged as Martin wrote it. Are they leaving Victarion out in the show?
Really looking forward to next week's episode. I'm sure they'll show us the battle but probably not the aftermath, at least not yet.
The Arya story needs to start going somewhere. They don't seem to have a lot of show left to get her back to Westeros to do her thing, and I'm sure they haven't spent all this time with her just to have her sent out on random faceless man missions. Who's left on her list at this point? Cersei?
Hopefully the show can make the whole Ironborne thing more interesting than it was in the books - that storyline really sagged as Martin wrote it. Are they leaving Victarion out in the show?
Really looking forward to next week's episode. I'm sure they'll show us the battle but probably not the aftermath, at least not yet.
Kraft...
Footballguy
this is what I was thinkingIn theory, I think Arya's story is a dead end. I think she has only evolved because of GRRM's fascination with little girls
If we follow this through to conclusion, she becomes a faceless person who will have no specific ties to Westeros.
Someone may pay to assassinate someone in westeros, but my guess is she simply carries it out as she would any other kill, with no inkling of revenge.
sn0mm1s
Footballguy
I think Arya plays a critical role in the series. GRRM's initial concept had her, Jon, and Tyrion as major players in some sort of love triangle (not sure of the initial relations and whatnot). In the books, it is pretty clear she is pulling one over on the Faceless men and does not intend to ever become one of their true believers. She is using her warging powers, hiding needle, and killing those that she believes she should kill for betraying/harming her family.In theory, I think Arya's story is a dead end. I think she has only evolved because of GRRM's fascination with little girls
If we follow this through to conclusion, she becomes a faceless person who will have no specific ties to Westeros.
Someone may pay to assassinate someone in westeros, but my guess is she simply carries it out as she would any other kill, with no inkling of revenge.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
What if Arya ends up killing Danaerys or Tyrion. I can't believe she'd ever knowingly kill Jon, but maybe that happens on accident somehow. Martin's always said the ending is bitter sweet.
I really enjoy the Jaqen/Kindly Old Man character in the show. I think they give him to us in perfect amounts to keep it engaging, so I'll be partly sad if Arya graduating means we don't get that guy in the show anymore. Maybe she eventually shakes lose and goes on her revenge spree, he has to track her down and they have to have a showdown.
So is Littlefinger's spy network good enough to get him news of Ramsay offing big mamma Frey and her kid? Could he pick up the Freys en route to go give Ramsay the business?
I really enjoy the Jaqen/Kindly Old Man character in the show. I think they give him to us in perfect amounts to keep it engaging, so I'll be partly sad if Arya graduating means we don't get that guy in the show anymore. Maybe she eventually shakes lose and goes on her revenge spree, he has to track her down and they have to have a showdown.
So is Littlefinger's spy network good enough to get him news of Ramsay offing big mamma Frey and her kid? Could he pick up the Freys en route to go give Ramsay the business?
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I don't think they are easily fooled...
I also don't think this series is about the mundane goings on of Westeros - such that any revenge driven killings are essentially meaningless. Ultimately, this is going to come down to Dragons v. Others - and I don't see a role for Arya to play in that battle.
She is easily my favorite character, but in the end, I think her exploits are just a distraction to the main story.
Where are you getting the love triangle? I know Jon and Arya had a close relationship, but as brother/sister, and even in Westeros, I think Tyrion and Arya would be a stretch
Thunderlips
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IMO, Arya will probably be a prologue to the story where the whole thing is over....Cersei survives, gets punted back to Casterly Rock to serve out her days and Arya pops her....getting the last name on her list. It'll be bittersweet because Arya will get no satisfaction or resolution out of it.....she'll have just become this shell of herself.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Maybe she ends up getting sent on another mission to somewhere in Westeros to collect/destroy more info on dragons, possibly run into Tarly. Maybe she follows the money back to Varys and does him in. I like that she's a total wildcard, I just hope they get her going in a direction beyond training to be no-one pretty soon.
I could see that - Cersei gets killed by a random servant at Casterly Rock, only we all know its Arya...
sn0mm1s
Footballguy
I think I have mentioned this in this thread before. I see bittersweet more like Dany dies, Jon dies, Tyrion dies (assuming he is a Targ - which I hope he isn't), the dragons die, the Wall falls, the Others are completely destroyed but it is a Pyrrhic victory for most of the players, and Bran remains a root. The Starks come back to power at some point based on foreshadowing in the books (Rickon) - but Martin doesn't write hollywood happy endings.
I see Arya's major role as being a foil to whatever the Faceless men are planning (or whoever they are working for if not self-motivated) and being something of a lie detector. She will still play the same minor role as the judge, jury, and executioner of individuals she thinks has harmed her family - but that won't be what drives her character.
I see Arya's major role as being a foil to whatever the Faceless men are planning (or whoever they are working for if not self-motivated) and being something of a lie detector. She will still play the same minor role as the judge, jury, and executioner of individuals she thinks has harmed her family - but that won't be what drives her character.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
A girl needs to get her ### in gear.
sn0mm1s
Footballguy
1) I don't think they are easily fooled either - but that is sort of the point of her character.
2) Agree and disagree - I don't she is playing a direct role with fighting at the Wall, but she might be set against the Faceless men (or their employers) and I could see her being attached to Tyrion and Dany.
3) Love triangle - don't recall the source but I generally have a pretty good memory for those sorts of things.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I think Martin had said what you wrote was how he envisioned things initially but eventually he decided to go in a different direction.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Nah cersei is killed by her little brother. So says maggie the frog. So jamie or tyrion do her in
Actually just read an interesting theory that "Valonqar/little brother" does not refer to Cersei's brothers.
Bob Sacamano
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Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Tommen imo
Notorious T.R.E.
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I like this.
Or, maybe she gets high enough in the org where she starts calling the shots. Not sure what the reporting structure is right now with the Faceless Men.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Gr00vus
Footballguy
That was the theory - and last night's show certainly set the stage for him getting stronger, leading him to kill his mother at some point.
But, the prophecy does state that her kids would have gold crowns and gold shrouds - maybe implying that Tommen is dead. If so - then my money would be on Jamie killing Cersei because she did something to cause Tommen to die.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Seems like a 2 person show right now. So if she can outdo ms. beats with stick she'll be vice facelessdent!
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
The way they play around with timelines and character actions, I wouldn't be shocked to see Arya become Pate.
Notorious T.R.E.
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Episode 1: Hardly any drinking. Mostly for the Brienne grunts and noises as she rescued Sansa.
Episode 2: Added a couple because I was disappointed with week 1...this one was pretty much constant drinking. Was only drinking beer, not bourbon thanks jebus.
Still probably need something for the Sparrows and the Dothraki.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
rodg12
Footballguy
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Show's not over yet. Martin could go super perverse, bring him back and then off him in a horrid, meaningless horse cart accident three episodes from now.
