timschochet
Footballguy
Todd continues to intrigue me. No emotion whatsoever at seeing Mike's dead body. Obviously a sociopath. Will probably become the next Gus.
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Goat Herders
Footballguy
Great episode. If we didn't see the machine gun it would be easy to predict a Walt v hank showdown. But the gun makes speculation tough.
Sarnoff
Footballguy
It's a lot of money. $5mil fit easily in two duffel bags. There were a lot of duffel bags worth. I worked on a show once where we had to "prop" a similar pile of money. I remember how disappointed the producers were when they saw "A Million Dollars!!!" was tiny. I think a million dollars in hundreds is one cubic foot. Ballparking 6 feet wide x 6 feet deep x 2 feet high, half in hundreds, half in fifties, that comes out to about $54 million.
timschochet
Footballguy
Anyone want to take a guess on how much money was in the storage scene?
Goat Herders
Footballguy
The fact that she couldn't launder it with a dozen car washes means its more than 12 million. My guess would be around 50 considering he was doing 6.66 with Lydia every shipment and three months had passed.
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root of all aliai
About what Romney pulls down a year.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Maybe I am missing some parts of the chronology, but was this money earned before or after Skyler reveals that she gave 600K to Berneke, which made it seem that Walt was bankrupt?The "Crawlspace" episode.
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Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
Well - I think Lilly is going to ingest the Ricin and all hell will break lose. I also think Hank may break bad as well and become the new Mike. That, or he will quit his job and return to a simpler time of marking trees.
badmojo1006
Footballguy
Whose Lilly? And no, Hank has now got his laser sites on Walt
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
George Costanza's girlfriend who worked for NBC.
Sarnoff
Footballguy
The first sentence in Gale's 'Lab Notes' book referenced in the flashback scene (episode 404) was
"To W.W.
My star, my perfect silence"
Hank and Walt were looking over it and Hank asked who W.W. was... Woodrow Wilson? Willy Wonka? Walter White? Walt tells Hank that it's Walt Whitman because he saw the 'Learn'd Astronomer' poem elsewhere in the lab notes which contains the line about looking up at the stars in perfect silence.
"To W.W.
My star, my perfect silence"
Hank and Walt were looking over it and Hank asked who W.W. was... Woodrow Wilson? Willy Wonka? Walter White? Walt tells Hank that it's Walt Whitman because he saw the 'Learn'd Astronomer' poem elsewhere in the lab notes which contains the line about looking up at the stars in perfect silence.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Did Gale have more than a "fondness" for Walt? 
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root of all aliai
I don't see why this has to happen.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Dean Norris on Conan.
Interesting. He has no ambiguity about how Walter White's end should come.
Interesting. He has no ambiguity about how Walter White's end should come.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Check out his audition tape on the sidebar of that page. He was "Hank" from jump street.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Gilligan on Conan.
Carver
Footballguy
I dont like the way it ended. As good as a detective that the show has made hank out to be, how on earth will they write in an escape route for Walt. And by escape I mean, how would he ever realistically catch wind of the fact that Hank has him until it's too late? Who is going to tip him off?
The only way it happens is if someone on the inside (DEA) is dirty. Hanks olf partner/BFF?
The only way it happens is if someone on the inside (DEA) is dirty. Hanks olf partner/BFF?
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
It doesn't seem impossible.I dont like the way it ended. As good as a detective that the show has made hank out to be, how on earth will they write in an escape route for Walt. And by escape I mean, how would he ever realistically catch wind of the fact that Hank has him until it's too late? Who is going to tip him off?The only way it happens is if someone on the inside (DEA) is dirty. Hanks olf partner/BFF?
netnalp
Footballguy
Reminiscent of the Godfather during the baptism.
netnalp
Footballguy
Maybe for what he was going to do, he wanted a bathroom that wasn't as much in earshot and one that was less likely to get used before it aired out.
netnalp
Footballguy
He's probably connecting all the stuff like Walt is a chemist, all the money from gambling. He's probably like it all fits and it was right in front of my face.
netnalp
Footballguy
Todd doesn't seem smart enough. Like when he shot the kid, he is more reactionary and acts before thinking. I don't think Gus would kill that kid.
Carver
Footballguy
What doesnt? that he'd get tipped off in a way other than a DEA leak?It doesn't seem impossible.I dont like the way it ended. As good as a detective that the show has made hank out to be, how on earth will they write in an escape route for Walt. And by escape I mean, how would he ever realistically catch wind of the fact that Hank has him until it's too late? Who is going to tip him off?The only way it happens is if someone on the inside (DEA) is dirty. Hanks olf partner/BFF?
How does Hank have him? The witnesses are dead. Walt's out of the business.The government is not going to get a conviction based on a Walt Whitman poem.
netnalp
Footballguy
If Hank says something to his wife, she's shown she can't keep a secret more than 5 min. She'll talk to her sister to find out if she knows anything.What doesnt? that he'd get tipped off in a way other than a DEA leak?It doesn't seem impossible.I dont like the way it ended. As good as a detective that the show has made hank out to be, how on earth will they write in an escape route for Walt. And by escape I mean, how would he ever realistically catch wind of the fact that Hank has him until it's too late? Who is going to tip him off?The only way it happens is if someone on the inside (DEA) is dirty. Hanks olf partner/BFF?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Pinkman rats him out. THAT's how!
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
The money.
netnalp
Footballguy
Finger prints on the book, hand writing analysis might be part but they'll need more evidence for sure. I think Walt would protect his wife and Jesse over himself. Jesse wouldn't flip on Walt but the wife might if she thought she and Walt were going to jail.What if Hank sees all the money and says F-it, "Walt, you now have a partner in the DEA."
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tommyboy
Footballguy
hank will turn on walt but walt isn't out like he told skyler he was, he's also got the cancer back and didn't tell that either. so in his mind he's going to die but he's going to keep his empire to the end, presumably to pass it on to either jesse or todd. he'll do everything he can to fool skyler but hank will be quietly building his case agains walt. near the end walt will confront hank, skyler will figure out walts not out, todd will turn out to be part of the declan group, and all hell will break loose, but ultimately i think walt dies alone like Mike did, either in a hospice or in a murder, but no family or friends
Sarnoff
Footballguy
No, but this is certainly the spark for Hank. He knows Pinkman knows Walt (from the 'fugue state' search when Hank talked to Mrs. Pinkman). He knows that Walt's science classroom was missing some of the meth-making supplies. He knows Walt has a ton of money all of a sudden. He certainly knows Walt's a chemistry genius. I don't think anyone is suggesting that the next episode starts with Hank storming out of the bathroom with his pants around his ankles, telling Walt he's under arrest. I'm sure that Hank's investigation will be the subject of many future episodes as he undertakes putting 'real' evidence together.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
That's some unpleasant imagery.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Hank hadn't seen that book before. IIRC, in the notebook of Gale's which Hank found after his death, Gale mentioned something about "W.W." being his inspiration. I may not have that quite right, but it sounds familiar. And yes, he now connected the "W.W" dots.
bills025
Footballguy
The way I see this is that Hank has always had an arrogance over Walter. Mike had an arrogance about Walt as well and that was why he let Walt bring him the bag and argued with him about the names. Walt is going to go down because of his arrogance. Hank has been knocked down a few pegs and isn't so arrogant, and is now able to see what was right under his nose the entire time, just like was said about Gus earlier.
Yeah coming back to me a bit. So now seeing "W.W." along with "G.B." again brings it home.
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Carver
Footballguy
Correct. By "got him" I mean he has the drop on him.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
That would be one of the main reasons, Hank would assume Walt would kill anyone including family, would also think his near fatal shooting and long rehab/perm disability is Walt's fault, this is going to get ugly.
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
Hank benefited from the drug money so things might not be so easy for him.
pantherclub
Footballguy
In the previews last week there was a quick shot of Hank interrogating one of the 9 and he says something like "there are two of them"....
but that wasnt in this episode
but that wasnt in this episode
mad sweeney
Footballguy
He doesn't know that though. It was kept a secret from him that Walt was paying for his rehab.
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
It's a very easy link for Walt to make if need be.
Wrighteous Ray
Footballguy
Yup. But now I suspect he's going to find out, and that's going to be further "evidence" to other people at the DEA that Hank actually knew all along. I really like how this part of the story is turning out. Walt actually seems to have some leverage over Hank.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
That's a good point. Could sweep Hank's case right out from under him.
Wrighteous Ray
Footballguy
I'm not sure whether Hank will actually even pursue the case now. Let's say he confronts Walt. At that point Walt could just say "if you tell anyone I'll claim you were in on it and I'll bring you down with me." How does Hank deal with that?
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I think we've seen that he's as committed and persistent as is possible to finding and catching Heisenberg. I can't see him not pursuing it. Walt's gotten himself out of sticky situations. Hank may not be as book smart as Walt but he's extremely good and extremely determined at what he does. I'm sure he'll try to find a way.
Wrighteous Ray
Footballguy
That's why it's such good storytelling. Hank's been singlemindedly pursuing this since the series started. Now that he knows the answer, though, it's not quite clear what he can do with the information. Walt seems to have him by the balls. "And then Hank told me that the lawyer flipped and they were going to get Mike, so I called Mike just in time so he could escape." "Hank told me the cops were close to finding the meth lab in the basement of the laundry so I burned it down."Walt also has whatever he learned from tapping Hank's phone and computer. He can make Hank look guilty as ####.
Wrighteous Ray
Footballguy
He also has a sympathy card to play with Hank. "I'm dying of cancer. Is it really worth putting my/your family through this? Especially when it seems likely to embarass/incriminate you?"
And I guess he has the money card too, not sure how Hank would respond to that. "I'll give you $20 million to keep quiet."
And I guess he has the money card too, not sure how Hank would respond to that. "I'll give you $20 million to keep quiet."
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