Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I think you're mixing up two different holidays.Bracie Smathers said:
ETA: I do like the annual Halloween game idea though.
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ETA: I do like the annual Halloween game idea though.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
No I wasn't confused I wasn't clear enough and just didn't add the phrasing about Detroit or Dallas getting a guaranteed home Thursday THANKSGIVING day game every year creating a home field advantage where they don't have to travel on a short week.
If the NFL created a Halloween Thursday Night game between Cleveland Cincinnati and alternated the location then their would not be a home field advantage like both Detroit and Dallas have. I think fans would get into a new traditional game and it would create an entirely whole new marketing line that they could tap into.
Such low hanging fruit that I'm shocked they haven't taken advantage of this idea.
While it wouldn't be a home game, it could hardly be called an "away" game, either. Other than Baltimore/Washington, I don't think there are any two stadiums closer together.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Here is the list and Cleveland/Cincinnati are far from the closest NFL teams in terms of location.
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http://www.footballgeography.com/list-of-every-nfl-team-and-the-nfl-team-they-are-closest-to/
List of Every NFL Team and the NFL Team They Are the Closest To
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Well Ohio is the birthplace of the NFL and MLB as Canton was the first NFL team and Cincinnati had the first baseball team. Ohio is also the birthplace of
So, football, baseball, flight, driving, movies, seeing at night and a whole host of things originated from Ohio.
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wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
mr fancypants
Footballguy
49'ers & Raiders are less than 1 hour from each other as well.Jets and Giants' stadiums are pretty close.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Did you guys see this?
Got this from the Browns official feed so this is a legit account.
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Ian RapoportVerified account @RapSheet 55m55 minutes ago
The #Browns have engaged in discussions about potentially trading two of their best players: LT Joe Thomas and C Alex Mack, sources say.
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I questioned this because C Alex Mack CAN'T be traded. Its in his contract where we can't trade him so I don't know where Rappoport got this from.
EDIT: PFT just picked up the story and they elaborate on the Alex Mack info:
Report: Browns have had discussions about trading Joe Thomas, Alex MackPosted by Josh Alper on November 1, 2015, 10:38 AM EST
The NFL’s trade deadline is Tuesday at 4 p.m. ET and the Browns have reportedly talked about parting ways with two integral members of their offensive line.
Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports that the Browns have “engaged in discussions” about trading left tackle Joe Thomas and center Alex Mack. There’s no word on whether those discussions have reached a serious level, but dealing either would signal yet another turn toward the future for the 2-5 Browns.
Mack can opt out of his contract after this season, making him an appealing trade candidate if the Browns don’t think he’ll be in Cleveland for the long term. Rapoport adds that Mack has a no-trade clause in his contract that can be waived if the right team wants to add him to their roster.
Thomas is signed for three more years with cap numbers of $9.5 million or more each season, but none of his base salaries are guaranteed. He turns 31 in December, but his play hasn’t been in decline this season and there are plenty of teams that would see a big upgrade if they added him to their offensive line.In addition to the two offensive linemen, Adam Schefter of
ESPN reported on television Sunday morning that the team is also open to trading linebacker Paul Kruger. Kruger, who has just a half-sack on the season, is signed through 2017 with base salaries of $6.5 million and $7 million in the next two years.
Got this from the Browns official feed so this is a legit account.
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Ian RapoportVerified account @RapSheet 55m55 minutes ago
The #Browns have engaged in discussions about potentially trading two of their best players: LT Joe Thomas and C Alex Mack, sources say.
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I questioned this because C Alex Mack CAN'T be traded. Its in his contract where we can't trade him so I don't know where Rappoport got this from.
EDIT: PFT just picked up the story and they elaborate on the Alex Mack info:
Report: Browns have had discussions about trading Joe Thomas, Alex MackPosted by Josh Alper on November 1, 2015, 10:38 AM EST
The NFL’s trade deadline is Tuesday at 4 p.m. ET and the Browns have reportedly talked about parting ways with two integral members of their offensive line.
Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports that the Browns have “engaged in discussions” about trading left tackle Joe Thomas and center Alex Mack. There’s no word on whether those discussions have reached a serious level, but dealing either would signal yet another turn toward the future for the 2-5 Browns.
Mack can opt out of his contract after this season, making him an appealing trade candidate if the Browns don’t think he’ll be in Cleveland for the long term. Rapoport adds that Mack has a no-trade clause in his contract that can be waived if the right team wants to add him to their roster.
Thomas is signed for three more years with cap numbers of $9.5 million or more each season, but none of his base salaries are guaranteed. He turns 31 in December, but his play hasn’t been in decline this season and there are plenty of teams that would see a big upgrade if they added him to their offensive line.In addition to the two offensive linemen, Adam Schefter of
ESPN reported on television Sunday morning that the team is also open to trading linebacker Paul Kruger. Kruger, who has just a half-sack on the season, is signed through 2017 with base salaries of $6.5 million and $7 million in the next two years.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Trade them all. Fire everyone in the front office. Start the F over. Get off the treadmill.
This is the first time I have ever wanted to completely blow this thing up, so don't associate me with those people who want to do this every year every time.
It actually makes sense this time
This is the first time I have ever wanted to completely blow this thing up, so don't associate me with those people who want to do this every year every time.
It actually makes sense this time
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jurb26
Footballguy
Also on NFL.com.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000569518/article/browns-looking-to-trade-alex-mack-and-joe-thomas
Wow, that would be major news. Both for Clev and to the teams that land them.
Thomas could push several teams over the hump IMO. He's a dominant LT.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000569518/article/browns-looking-to-trade-alex-mack-and-joe-thomas
Wow, that would be major news. Both for Clev and to the teams that land them.
Thomas could push several teams over the hump IMO. He's a dominant LT.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Only scenario I can see is if Jimmy gives Pettine an ultimatum - him or Jim - and Pettine won't can Jim. Certainly possible, but I think they'll get until the end of the season. I still think the others are a bigger problem, but I'm not defending Pettine anymore until something changes. This team has gotten worse. Regardless of the piss poor talent he is given by Farmer players performing worse (and undisciplined) falls on the coach.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Haden and Whitner OUT for Bengals game (concussions)
thecardiackid
Footballguy
if jimmy fires pettine, he's still on the hook for his contract. while jimmy is also currently paying chud's. any other former HC's that jimmy is scratching checks for now? oh, and they'll have to hire another HC.
MAC_32
Footballguy
the problem - in that scenario Farmer probably has to get another year too.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
you come in here and decide to drop some JHS turd humor? i sincerely hope a couple of your other 4k posts were readable.
maybe it was your winning pulltab tonight where you won free cheese curds and jello shots for the night and you fell into a lactose coma. that's a lot of smack for a fan (allegedly) of a team that just got destroyed last night.
take your inner rage to the GBP thread.
we have our own problems to deal with here.
in jimmy we trust.
ETA: jimmy can't even run a truck stop business w/o federal charges, who TF thinks he has the stones or even any idea how to rebuild this disaster?
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
In reality yes, that is probably correct, because Haslem is a fool.
However, in any logical world, Petine should be able to retain his job if Farmer is fired. Farmer has ruined a roster that was already ruined, and that would be hard for the average fan to do if they were given the GM job for 2 years.
I don't really care if Petine is fired or not because he had zero pedigree coming in and was the best of a bad situation. However, it's not like he is some Shurmur type idiot who screws everything up. If they decide to keep him simply for "continuity" I would be ok with that in his case.
Farmer should go no matter what. Just terrible. NO MOVES would be better than the moves he made. He made one good trade. I still think the trade with Buffalo was a nice trade. Unfortunately he has whiffed horribly in the draft, and also in free agency. Not even sure which he has been worse at. Imagine how horrible things would be right now if Mccown wasn't actually playing at a legit NFL QB level?
As for trading players, if you are going to do that then you HAVE to keep Petine. You can't fire the GM, trade away your top players, AND go looking for a new coach. It has to be nearly impossible to get anything started in a building process doing that. At least keeping the coach you are able to retain a system and philosophy that the returning players are familiar with.
I know I am in the minority, but I WANT to trade Thomas, Mack, Haden, and a few other guys if possible. I really do not care at all how the rest of this season looks. If someone comes along with good offers for those guys, you take it. What is a good offer for Joe Thomas??? I don't know but if someone came and offered two 1sts (which there is no chance anyone would) that would be the easiest accept ever.
Problem is, Farmer probably thinks he is getting fired so is he REALLY going to do a ton of work making things happen? Likely no. Likely we are stuck spining out wheels with what we have.
franchise punter
Footballguy
The offense has played surprisingly competent, but we’re looking at a defense that is in bad need of new blood. I know that’s not exactly a revelation, but how can you surrender 34 points when you FORCE FOUR TURNOVERS?
There’s so much dead weight with several guys are right at or over 30. No real need to be on this team. I’m talking...
—Paul Kruger
—Donte Whitner
—Karlos Dansby (though he's played okay and is a good locker room guy, He'll turn 35 next year)
—Randy Starks
—Desmond Bryant
Mingo/Gilbert could probably go too, especially if a new GM enters the picture. Cap wise, I don’t know how hard this would be to pull off but the D needs 4-5 new starters.
I too, wouldn’t have my feelings hurt about trading Thomas. If we can get a first-rounder, I’d do it. He’s great, but he’s an offensive lineman and he’s just one player. The Browns problems run wayyyyy deeper. Plus I just feel bad for the guy wasting his talents on this bullcrap organization.
There’s so much dead weight with several guys are right at or over 30. No real need to be on this team. I’m talking...
—Paul Kruger
—Donte Whitner
—Karlos Dansby (though he's played okay and is a good locker room guy, He'll turn 35 next year)
—Randy Starks
—Desmond Bryant
Mingo/Gilbert could probably go too, especially if a new GM enters the picture. Cap wise, I don’t know how hard this would be to pull off but the D needs 4-5 new starters.
I too, wouldn’t have my feelings hurt about trading Thomas. If we can get a first-rounder, I’d do it. He’s great, but he’s an offensive lineman and he’s just one player. The Browns problems run wayyyyy deeper. Plus I just feel bad for the guy wasting his talents on this bullcrap organization.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
When has telling a new GM you have to work with this coach ever worked? If you fire the GM then the new GM is hiring his own guy.
Peak
Footballguy
I would be all for trading Mingo, Gilbert, Starks, Kruger, and Mack. I don't see any of them coming back next year if they have a choice, especially Mack. I'd rather try to get something for them now if possible.
I can see where Pettine may get another year, but it's another year of the same old thing. Mac is right, in that you can't expect a GM to walk into a job knowing he has to work with the coach that is already there. Most want to run with their own guy. Although, having Pettine there may prove to be a good scapegoat if the GM can't hit the ground running year one.
MAC_32
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Does that hold true in Cleveland? Did Farmer bring in his own guy?MAC_32 said:
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I guess the Brocos offered us their 1st but we wanted them to throw in LB Shaq Barrett and Elway turned us down but that was before last night when Ty Sambrillo (sp?) was lost for the season so they are in dire need.
We are asking 3rds for C Alex Mack and LB Barkevious Mingo. Mack reportedly has announced he will activate the no-trade clause in his contract so don't count on that one happening and I don't see anyone offering a 3rd for Mingo.
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.Ian RapoportVerified account@RapSheet /RapSheet/status/661558259472588800On the #Browns: I hear they want more than a 1st for Joe Thomas, wanted a 3rd for Alex Mack, want a 3rd for Mingo. Steep on all accounts.
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From Grossi's column this morning:
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... According to a source, the Browns had talks with the Denver Broncos early in the season after Denver lost left tackle Ryan Clady to injury in the preseason. The Broncos were willing to part with their first-round pick in 2016, but the Browns also asked for second-year linebacker Shaq Barrett, and that apparently killed the deal.
We are asking 3rds for C Alex Mack and LB Barkevious Mingo. Mack reportedly has announced he will activate the no-trade clause in his contract so don't count on that one happening and I don't see anyone offering a 3rd for Mingo.
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.Ian RapoportVerified account
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From Grossi's column this morning:
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... According to a source, the Browns had talks with the Denver Broncos early in the season after Denver lost left tackle Ryan Clady to injury in the preseason. The Broncos were willing to part with their first-round pick in 2016, but the Browns also asked for second-year linebacker Shaq Barrett, and that apparently killed the deal.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Of course Mack will say that. It's good PR.
I wouldnt deal Thomas for just Denver's 2016 1st either. A few more years of Thomas is worth more than a late 1st.
I wouldnt deal Thomas for just Denver's 2016 1st either. A few more years of Thomas is worth more than a late 1st.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Is a team really being stupid if there are a very good team and they give a 2016 and 2017 1st (both projected late 1sts) for Joe Thomas, especially if LT is a weakness for them?
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
That escalated quickly.
We want two-first round picks for Joe Thomas according to Schefty.
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.Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 2h2 hours ago
To be specific, Browns were asking two 1st-round picks for OT Joe Thomas. They won't get that.
.Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 15h15 hours ago
On night before trade deadline, Browns C Alex Mack said he will not waive no-trade clause in his contract if... http://fb.me/4mui4Z8j0
We want two-first round picks for Joe Thomas according to Schefty.
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.Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 2h2 hours ago
To be specific, Browns were asking two 1st-round picks for OT Joe Thomas. They won't get that.
.Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 15h15 hours ago
On night before trade deadline, Browns C Alex Mack said he will not waive no-trade clause in his contract if... http://fb.me/4mui4Z8j0
ghostguy123
Footballguy
What time is the trade deadline anyway?
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
http://nesn.com/2015/11/nfl-trade-deadline-2015-live-latest-updates-rumors-news-from-around-league/
The NFL trade deadline is Tuesday at 4 p.m. ET...
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
ghostguy123
Footballguy
We certainly wouldnt get two 1sts from Denver. Their 2017 1st has one heck of a good chance at being very high
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I understand your POV but Joe Thomas is the best OLT in the game, 8 straight Pro Bowls, 5x first-team All Pro, and a sure fire HOF first ballot candidate when he hangs them up, still in his prime.
You don't get that value for a late first round pick.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Agree on his talent level. Just would be very surprised if Elway did something like that.
jurb26
Footballguy
I think so, yeah. He's over 30 and won't be dominant for much longer. I guess it's up to the teams to decide, though. If you think you can win a Super Bowl by adding him that is worth a lot.
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I honestly don't know because Elway knows his window closes with Peyton this year and if he doesn't have a LT it closes today at the deadline. The cost isn't as high as it seems. Basically two high 2nd round picks in exchange for any shot at a SB this year.
Honestly don't know if John closes the door on the season by turning down the chance to land JT and it could even open the door for one more run next year.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I dont know if any teams fit this description, but if you are a really good team with a good record right now with LT as a weakness, then adding a great LT would tunr a very good team into a great team over night.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Bracie, there is no way you can honestly view the Broncos 2017 1st as "basically a high 2nd".
ghostguy123
Footballguy
2016 1st and 2nd with 2017 2nd from Denver. Grab a tissue and get it done. Get a 1st for Haden while you are at it.
jurb26
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I've done a lot of research on the draft and their is a cut off at certain points in the draft.
First round draft picks are NOT the same at all. Their are a couple of tiers in the first round and Denver's 1st in 2016 is basically nothing compared to Joe Thomas in my eyes. Also their defense has carried the team this year with Peyton playing poorly. That D is legit so I see their 2017 as another late 1st round pick which is in the tier of a high 2nd late 1st round. I see it as equal because I know the history of how those picks pan out.
A proven talent at a premium position who is under contract and still in his prime who has never missed a game for two late 1st round picks is getting two cracks at a tier of talent that extends from the late 1st to the early 2nd and that isn't much at all comparably. Least that is how I see it.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I definitely view their 2016 1st as "basically a high 2nd". It's a guaranteed late 1st. Hence the word "basically". Many times the player you would draft at 28 would be there at 33, so yeah, basically.
It's like saying 996 dollars is basically a grand
jurb26
Footballguy
I agree, there are always cut offs in any draft. Those cut offs are dependent on the talent pools and depth. Every pick later in the draft reduces the potential of reaching those cuts offs of talent.
Some years, a high 2nd may end up being about the same as a low 1st based on the talent available and your board. That's why teams generally trade down. For all the teams that trade down though, there are teams that trade up. So, the value is subjective, as are the cut offs.
Simply put, your just always better off having the higher picks regardless of cut offs because your cut off isn't the same as someone else's and you can move it for greater value.
Some years, a high 2nd may end up being about the same as a low 1st based on the talent available and your board. That's why teams generally trade down. For all the teams that trade down though, there are teams that trade up. So, the value is subjective, as are the cut offs.
Simply put, your just always better off having the higher picks regardless of cut offs because your cut off isn't the same as someone else's and you can move it for greater value.
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