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Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
I'd rather have Mike Adams 
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
What did I miss?
amnesiac
beer is good
OVERVIEW
Hughes is a fifth-year senior from Cincinnati who started for two years at defensive tackle. He has the size to compete inside at the next level, but he lacks athletic ability and has been rather unproductive to this point in his career. He could get selected in a later round by a team that falls in love with him, but he is more likely to get a shot as a free agent. The pre-draft process will be of extra importance for Hughes, as he needs to prove he has the skills to match his frame.
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Hughes is a big man who until his senior year had mostly been a gap-filler. He uses his hands well to stay off blocks and displays good technique. He can defeat single blocks fairly easily and plays with good instincts. It's obvious that he is diagnosing plays early after recognizing blocking schemes.
WEAKNESSES Hughes has numerous issues in his play that, if not fixed early, could severely limit his NFL prospects. He seems lazy at times and rarely chases plays down on the perimeter. As a run defender, he is capable of getting through blocks but often looks shell-shocked once he gets in the backfield. He needs to finish with more force; at times Hughes would be neutralized by offensive linemen because of his poor effort and pad placement.
DRAFT ANALYSIS:
Mayock's take: "He's been rising over about the last two months or so. He's not elite in any one solid category, but he will be a good rotational player."
Hughes is a fifth-year senior from Cincinnati who started for two years at defensive tackle. He has the size to compete inside at the next level, but he lacks athletic ability and has been rather unproductive to this point in his career. He could get selected in a later round by a team that falls in love with him, but he is more likely to get a shot as a free agent. The pre-draft process will be of extra importance for Hughes, as he needs to prove he has the skills to match his frame.
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Hughes is a big man who until his senior year had mostly been a gap-filler. He uses his hands well to stay off blocks and displays good technique. He can defeat single blocks fairly easily and plays with good instincts. It's obvious that he is diagnosing plays early after recognizing blocking schemes.
WEAKNESSES Hughes has numerous issues in his play that, if not fixed early, could severely limit his NFL prospects. He seems lazy at times and rarely chases plays down on the perimeter. As a run defender, he is capable of getting through blocks but often looks shell-shocked once he gets in the backfield. He needs to finish with more force; at times Hughes would be neutralized by offensive linemen because of his poor effort and pad placement.
DRAFT ANALYSIS:
Mayock's take: "He's been rising over about the last two months or so. He's not elite in any one solid category, but he will be a good rotational player."
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
I don't read anything into projections. These "experts" over at ESPN, etc. are just blowholes. They ripped Heckert for drafting Ward in the 2nd... IIRC, they said that Ward would have went in the 4th round at the earliest, then after the draft, reports came out that multiple teams were going to grab Ward in the 2nd.
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Bobcat10
Footballguy
Some DT named John Hughes. I seem to be having trouble finding more than that...What did I miss?
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
Shut your trap, whore.I'd rather have Mike Adams
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
Thanks... will take a look.Some DT named John Hughes. I seem to be having trouble finding more than that...What did I miss?
Bobcat10
Footballguy
I hear you...but when I click on a guys name I expect to at least see some info...glad somebody found some goods. Seems like a questionable pick...I don't think that can be disputed.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Certainly seems so with the Hughes pick. I mean at this point in the draft, teams are still picking from their top 50 for the most part right? I find it strange that a guy like this is in anyone's top 50.
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
Maybe so... I don't watch a lot of college football and like I said above, the "experts" are blowholes... guess I'm just more relaxed this time of year than others. I'm on board with Heckert... ride her till she bucks you.
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
Just reading a bit on the last two picks....Seems like Schwartz and Hughes are guys with a bit of "nasty" in them? Not saying that translates into anything on the field... just an observation.
rizzler
Footballguy
I have a swollen bottom lip right now.rizzler...just save yourself from carpel tunnel...we know what your gonna type.
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
Tell your boyfriend to aim better.I have a swollen bottom lip right now.rizzler...just save yourself from carpel tunnel...we know what your gonna type.
rizzler
Footballguy
Heckert refused to lube up.Tell your boyfriend to aim better.I have a swollen bottom lip right now.rizzler...just save yourself from carpel tunnel...we know what your gonna type.
RevDawg
Footballguy
I would be happy with either or both Joe Adams and Greg Childs from Arkansas. Adams is smaller but explosive. Great punt returner too. Childs is bigger and slower, reminds me some of Little. I wouldn't mind the Browns taking both in the 4th and seeing what they could bring to our WR corp.
nxmehta
Footballguy
ZINGSo it looks like Heckert only had a few WRs rated highly and has been content to pass on the rest so far. At this point it's just going to be a late round flyer if we pick one. I'm guessing we bring in one mid range WR through FA or trade somehow.Tell your boyfriend to aim better.I have a swollen bottom lip right now.rizzler...just save yourself from carpel tunnel...we know what your gonna type.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
On the surface I don't believe in 2-3 years the fans will do cartwheels over this draft...at the same time I feel sorry for fans in Cleveland. I just don't see the player that is turning around this franchise right now. I guess if you take TRich, you gotta try and build up more of the OL.
If Cleveland bombs this year they have a good shot at grabbing a franchise QB next year. If Weeden pans out quickly, better days ahead.
You can spin this a couple ways.
If Cleveland bombs this year they have a good shot at grabbing a franchise QB next year. If Weeden pans out quickly, better days ahead.
You can spin this a couple ways.
Fensalk
Footballguy
Hughes is just the type of player I was looking for at this point in the draft. A depth guy that can be put in the rotation on the DL. Juaron's system is more effective when he has plenty of depth on the DL to rotate people in and out. So, good pick and what we needed at this point in the draft.
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
Doesn't Green Bay have like 9 quality receivers on their roster? Maybe Heckert can move McCoy for one.
wadegarrett
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wadegarrett
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NJDawgPound
Footballguy
It's very easy to look at McShay's, Kiper's, and Mayock's best player available and wonder what the eff is going on when we "reach."
Keep in mind though that while we hacks cruise the net at work, watch limited films, and read, this stuff is the front office's full time job. We don't have the luxury of having the players in for interviews. We as fans aren't able to reach out to a college coach to get scouting reports. We don't have the luxury of pulling up every single game tape of a said player's college career and isolating that player.
It's easy to look at the Schwartz pick and say "Why not Massie?" It's easy to look at the Hughes pick and say "Why not Joe Adams? Criner? McNutt?" But there's more to it than selecting what appears to be the best player available. There has to be a culture fit. Each coach has a style of player he likes, each team has an identity they are trying to establish. Richardson runs over people. Weeden is big and tough. Schwartz and Hughes have a mean streak. It seems like we're building for some smashmouth football, guys.
Here's who I would like to see today (And I think they love the Nevada LB):
James-Michael Johnson, LB, Nevada
Juron Criner, WR Arizona
Keshawn Martin, WR Michigan State
Marvin McNutt, WR Iowa
I wouldn't be surprised to see them take Lavarius Green, the tight end from LA Lafayette.
Relax guys, let's see how this plays out. Heckert's got this. A wise man once said "ride her till she bucks you."
Keep in mind though that while we hacks cruise the net at work, watch limited films, and read, this stuff is the front office's full time job. We don't have the luxury of having the players in for interviews. We as fans aren't able to reach out to a college coach to get scouting reports. We don't have the luxury of pulling up every single game tape of a said player's college career and isolating that player.
It's easy to look at the Schwartz pick and say "Why not Massie?" It's easy to look at the Hughes pick and say "Why not Joe Adams? Criner? McNutt?" But there's more to it than selecting what appears to be the best player available. There has to be a culture fit. Each coach has a style of player he likes, each team has an identity they are trying to establish. Richardson runs over people. Weeden is big and tough. Schwartz and Hughes have a mean streak. It seems like we're building for some smashmouth football, guys.
Here's who I would like to see today (And I think they love the Nevada LB):
James-Michael Johnson, LB, Nevada
Juron Criner, WR Arizona
Keshawn Martin, WR Michigan State
Marvin McNutt, WR Iowa
I wouldn't be surprised to see them take Lavarius Green, the tight end from LA Lafayette.
Relax guys, let's see how this plays out. Heckert's got this. A wise man once said "ride her till she bucks you."
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
I see Massie is still out there too.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Ya think?In 3 years, Weeden will be a 31 YO QB that's still developing.
The best case scenario for Richardson is that he'll have had a couple of good seasons, which means he'll be looking to get paid. Of course, it's always a very dumb move to pay big bucks to a RB, but the Browns will have to because, you know, they pissed away the #3 pick to draft him.
Or, he'll be frustrated from trying to carry a crappy offense and be trying to figure out his way out of CLE.
The 2nd scenario isn't actually the worst because, at least in that case, they won't have to pay him.
msommer
Footballguy
Rich Gannon was 34 before he went to his first Pro Bowl...
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Kurt Warner is a nice example too.Maybe Weeden is the next Warner or Gannon, but I just don't think the 1st round is the place to take that gamble.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Actually, with the new CBA and an extra 1st rounder it's exactly when you want to take it.'pollardsvision said:
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
'pollardsvision said:
Go troll somewhere else ladies.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Wait, Browns fans are celebrating the use of the #3 and #22 picks on a RB and a 28 YO QB?My apologies for interrupting.'pollardsvision said:
NJDawgPound
Footballguy
22 is a place where you either get starters at less flashy positions such as nose tackles and guards, or you gamble on a skill player. There is no such thing as a sure thing at skill position at 22. QBs, RBs, and WRs have some flaw there; if they didn't they would be top 5 players. Players lasting more than 6-7 years are the exception rather than the norm so if Weeden can give us 5 good years at his full potential, I don't just accept it, I am thrilled.'pollardsvision said:
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Picks today:
#100
#120
#160
#204
#205
#245
#247
7 picks, and so many needs. Can only deal the first 3 picks.
#100
#120
#160
#204
#205
#245
#247
7 picks, and so many needs. Can only deal the first 3 picks.
daveR
Footballguy
That's the best you got, troll???Wait, Browns fans are celebrating the use of the #3 and #22 picks on a RB and a 28 YO QB?My apologies for interrupting.'pollardsvision said:
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I wasn't aware that having the opinion that those weren't great picks constituted trolling. I guess this thread is just for celebrating the many brilliant decisions of the Browns. Maybe I'm wrong, it wouldn't be first time and won't be the last.That's the best you got, troll???Wait, Browns fans are celebrating the use of the #3 and #22 picks on a RB and a 28 YO QB?My apologies for interrupting.'pollardsvision said:
As I think about it, the Weeden pick isn't completely terrible. If he's a really good QB for the next 7-10 years, his age won't matter. I wouldn't have done it, but it's justifiable.
I just don't see any good reason for the Richardson pick.
I got bashed for criticizing the Titans for giving CJ that contract. My reasons for that apply here too.
Investing limited resources, be it cap space or valuable draft picks, to try and secure one elite RB is a terrible idea.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Based off everything I've read and listened to this morning Hughes was as awful of a reach as most of us thought. Regardless of whether he pans out no other team was looking at him before the end of today. He didn't do anything in school until the 2nd half of his Sr year when he realized if I'm going to make it in the NFL I need to start to play. When he does play he can be a good rotational player.
Any way you spin it, awful pick. I hope it works out, but he should've used a #5 at the earliest on him.
Any way you spin it, awful pick. I hope it works out, but he should've used a #5 at the earliest on him.
amnesiac
beer is good
OVERVIEW
Benjamin was a big-play threat at Miami for several years. Initially an electric return specialist, he eventually became an effective pass-catching option. He is undersized but fast enough to get past safeties, and has the route-running savvy to outwork corners, create separation and make plays. His size might limit his pro potential, but many receivers of his stature have succeeded in the NFL. Benjamin has third- to fourth-round value.
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Benjamin understands how to get open at the top of routes and can use his explosiveness to his advantage. As a returner, he is a "one cut and go" runner who can break for daylight. The key to his game as a receiver is his ability to get open, and he doesn't shy away from contact. He will be a true deep threat who runs crisp intermediate routes.
WEAKNESSES Because his size puts him at a disadvantage, Benjamin's game is based entirely on speed and quickness. He has a hard time getting off the line of scrimmage if not given a free release, lacking the strength to recover if jammed by a more physical defender. Benjamin has also historically struggled to work in traffic. He prefers to be outside on the perimeter, away from contact; this could be his Achilles heel if he were to try to move into the slot.
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Benjamin was a big-play threat at Miami for several years. Initially an electric return specialist, he eventually became an effective pass-catching option. He is undersized but fast enough to get past safeties, and has the route-running savvy to outwork corners, create separation and make plays. His size might limit his pro potential, but many receivers of his stature have succeeded in the NFL. Benjamin has third- to fourth-round value.
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Benjamin understands how to get open at the top of routes and can use his explosiveness to his advantage. As a returner, he is a "one cut and go" runner who can break for daylight. The key to his game as a receiver is his ability to get open, and he doesn't shy away from contact. He will be a true deep threat who runs crisp intermediate routes.
WEAKNESSES Because his size puts him at a disadvantage, Benjamin's game is based entirely on speed and quickness. He has a hard time getting off the line of scrimmage if not given a free release, lacking the strength to recover if jammed by a more physical defender. Benjamin has also historically struggled to work in traffic. He prefers to be outside on the perimeter, away from contact; this could be his Achilles heel if he were to try to move into the slot.
4.36 40
NJDawgPound
Footballguy
Look at the big picture, man. Cleveland has a better than average defense, 10th overall and on the rise. Our pass offense is for crap. After countless three and outs, the defense broke a bunch of times in exhaustion.The explosive running back will eat up clock, keep the other offense off the field, keep our d fresh, and actually close out games for us.I wasn't aware that having the opinion that those weren't great picks constituted trolling. I guess this thread is just for celebrating the many brilliant decisions of the Browns. Maybe I'm wrong, it wouldn't be first time and won't be the last.That's the best you got, troll???Wait, Browns fans are celebrating the use of the #3 and #22 picks on a RB and a 28 YO QB?My apologies for interrupting.'pollardsvision said:
As I think about it, the Weeden pick isn't completely terrible. If he's a really good QB for the next 7-10 years, his age won't matter. I wouldn't have done it, but it's justifiable.
I just don't see any good reason for the Richardson pick.
I got bashed for criticizing the Titans for giving CJ that contract. My reasons for that apply here too.
Investing limited resources, be it cap space or valuable draft picks, to try and secure one elite RB is a terrible idea.
Plus, he'll exploit the aging fronts of Pitt and Bal.
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
at least he's fast and a returner
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
There's an obvious pick at 120 if they want to fill a need and win some fans over...
Chase Minnifield
Chase Minnifield
