ffweasel
Weasel Power
Division is still close, but I can see getting something for him if you’re going to let him walk anyway. Hate to see him go.
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2024 Detroit Lions: Draft complete. (7 Viewers)
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of the move. It think this pretty much ends their 2018 season. But if mgmt was already resigned to the fact that they couldn't make a run now, then I like getting something for an asset that was going to turn into a pumpkin.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Good move by the Lions. They weren’t going to win more than 3 more games the rest of the year
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
ffweasel
Weasel Power
Biabreakable
Footballguy
It is my understanding that the Lions may have received a 3rd round compensation pick for Tate if he left in free agency in 2019.
So that is what the Eagles gave the Lions to have Tate for the rest of the season.
It's not a bad deal for the Lions because of the comp picks being at the end of the round its s pick upgrade and the Lions can sign free agents without the concern of losing the comp pick.
The Eagles still need to sign Tate to a new deal or maybe get comp picks for him if they dont.
As far as the relationship of the Lions trading for Harrison then trading Tate away, I dont see a conflict in planning here. They upgraded their defensive line. Then they got picks back for Tate. I dont see the two moves as being related. I dont think the Lions are trying to tank ot something
So that is what the Eagles gave the Lions to have Tate for the rest of the season.
It's not a bad deal for the Lions because of the comp picks being at the end of the round its s pick upgrade and the Lions can sign free agents without the concern of losing the comp pick.
The Eagles still need to sign Tate to a new deal or maybe get comp picks for him if they dont.
As far as the relationship of the Lions trading for Harrison then trading Tate away, I dont see a conflict in planning here. They upgraded their defensive line. Then they got picks back for Tate. I dont see the two moves as being related. I dont think the Lions are trying to tank ot something
nittanylion
Footballguy
Lionsguys, what's the book/outlook for TJ Jones, in Tate's stead?
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Not really. The Lions were going to be a 7 or 8 win team with or without Tate. Plus Tate is an UFA after the season and the Lions were not going to extend a 31 slot guy for what he is going to want.
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Aznflyer14
Footballguy
Agreed and I dont fault Lions for remain firm on not taking less than 3rd to give up Tate.
By offloading Tate, Galloday and Jones will benefit from this. So will their pass-catching RBs particularly Kerryon Johnson. If anything, they can always assign Riddick as slot WR.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Sad to see him go, but it’s a good move. Don’t think we were ever going to extend him. 4.5 years of a very good WR with a 3rd rounder coming back at the end.
Tate and most likely Ansah off the wage cap for next year with very little players on rising contracts will leave a lot of room to re-tool. Quinn has a decent track record with his 3rd round picks so far.
We can lean on Golladay and Jones more now ( some weeks one of the 3 WR would be under-utilised ), and use Johnson and Riddick more. Plus, see what Jones and Powell have with regards to keepIng either of them.
I think the 3rd rounder replaces the one we lost for Hand
Tate and most likely Ansah off the wage cap for next year with very little players on rising contracts will leave a lot of room to re-tool. Quinn has a decent track record with his 3rd round picks so far.
We can lean on Golladay and Jones more now ( some weeks one of the 3 WR would be under-utilised ), and use Johnson and Riddick more. Plus, see what Jones and Powell have with regards to keepIng either of them.
I think the 3rd rounder replaces the one we lost for Hand
Angry spiders
Footballguy
Deamon
Footballguy
Ya I can live with this. I think it's pretty damn unlikely they're getting to 9 wins though. 7 seems more likely.
You have to look at the division. Detroit has played within their division pretty well in recent years including 5-1 last year. They still have 5 divisional games left and are only a game back. I still had hopes this year, but it does not look like management did.
Deamon
Footballguy
This isn't last year. The division is much improved. We'll see how they do the rest of the season I guess.
The Bears are. The Vikes were better last year. The Pack are still very inconsistent. Records don't indicate this division is that good.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I really don`t the Lions can go 6-3 the rest of the way. Looking at their schedule a 4-5 finish would be lucky. That is splitting with Vikings and Bears and beating Bills and Cards. Losing to Rams, Panthers and GB at GB.
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SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Agree. Seems a stretch to identify the Tate trade as being THE single variable which determines success or failure of the Lions season. Passing game remains a strength, plus or minus QB's ability to minimize turnovers, regardless of presence / absence of Tate.
Expanding a bit, trading Tate for Snacks makes this team better.
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
flipcuplegend
Footballguy
http://nfldraftbible.com/scouting-report-brandon-powell-wr-florida/
he'll be serviceable in the slot but he is by no means a YAC king or going to replace tate. good route runner tho.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I think 10 years of Matt Stafford is enough. Always liked Stafford but after a decade I am ready to turn the page. He is who we thought he is.
WTH was Stafford thinking on that lateral way down the field?? Looks like he was running the wishbone under Barry Switzer at OK.
WTH was Stafford thinking on that lateral way down the field?? Looks like he was running the wishbone under Barry Switzer at OK.
RenegadeGM
Footballguy
That Stafford play was awful, but... if you move on from him, who is replacing him?
I would not be in favor of letting him go and going back to the Stoney Case days.
I would not be in favor of letting him go and going back to the Stoney Case days.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
They will need to draft his eventual replacement. But you are right, no more jeff komlos are needed at this time.
RenegadeGM
Footballguy
Yeah, might be time to draft a developmental prospect rather than a 6th/7th round flyer like Ruddock, etc.
The Catch-22 is they need those earlier picks for so many other areas that it's tough to use one on a guy who won't play for a few years, barring injury. With so many needs, it's hard to make a Garropolo-type luxury pick.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
jomar
Footballguy
a decade with a league-worst running game and no defense the vast majority of those years. He's not Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc. He's basically Matt Ryan, better than the Andy Dalton types. I have no doubt he could go to a real franchise and win if we ever decided to let him go.
I think he's been pretty good for the majority of that time. How many teams out there would gladly swap out their QBs for Stafford? I count around 12, plus another six with young unproven QBs who are clearly worse than Stafford. Agree with @jomar that he's in that group with Ryan, Rivers, Cousins as talented QBs who haven't won anything but could with the right supporting cast.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Exactly. I would not want to see them spending a 2nd or 3rd on a QB next year when they could use those picks to address other holes on the roster.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Stafford is not going nowhere so they have to fill other needs...but the Lions have been filling needs for the 10 seasons he has been here.
Deamon
Footballguy
jtp1982
Footballguy
Where it showed that not having Tate hurt them IMO is when Stafford mentioned needing to find a outlet when he’s under pressure as something he needs to improve on after that game.
They need to give him a consistent outlet guy so it’s easier for him to find his outlet instead of using 7 different players for that role throughout the game.
Make that a slot guy like Tate was for him, or a satellite back type RB guy like James White is for Brady, doesn’t matter, they just gotta make it easier for him to consistently find his outlet under pressure.
They need to give him a consistent outlet guy so it’s easier for him to find his outlet instead of using 7 different players for that role throughout the game.
Make that a slot guy like Tate was for him, or a satellite back type RB guy like James White is for Brady, doesn’t matter, they just gotta make it easier for him to consistently find his outlet under pressure.
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Angry spiders
Footballguy
Matt has finally been lionized...took 10 years...
Also while matty patty might turn into a fine hc....he is certainly showing his greenness with his poor posture.....
Also while matty patty might turn into a fine hc....he is certainly showing his greenness with his poor posture.....
Angry spiders
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
TartanLion
Footballguy
This all the way. I don’t even blame him for the TD that was run in either, nothing was working he was trying to find some way, anyway, to make a play happen after being sacked all afternoon. The ball made it to Kerryon’s hands, he’ll learn a small lesson to always be ready for any eventuality perhaps.
Personally, I’ve been slightly done with Jim Bob for a while. Understand why he was kept on at the time and he’s been given the rope to run the offence by Patricia, and he’s come up short. I don’t really think the playbook has ever looked like much more than the Lombardi one with some Cooter-esque updating and personal touches sprinkled in.
However, the old adage remains that there’s no saying that we’d get the right guy in to replace him. We aren’t likely to get who Patricia wants mid season, so then we are looking at next season and another season where one half of the side is having to bed into a new system.
Tricky to know how to proceed
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
It's always tricky with this team. Change up and delay improvement rather than stagnate might be the only way to look at it. Cooter is one of last of the previous coach's guys so he probably gets the axe at the end of the year.TartanLion said:
