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5 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

I, as an unbiased observer, don’t get the stance @Joe Bryant is taking.  So an NFL player can’t be called a moron on this site?  If that’s the call, so be it.  But it seems it’s being enforced in this thread only then, when a player is (supposedly) being released for yet unknown reasons.  Doesn’t sound like he’s failed a test, so he’s not being called a moron for being an addict.  So why is calling Gordon a moron worthy of “some time off?”  Seems ridiculous.  And no, I’m not an alias.  

You clearly don't get it.

There is a difference between calling someone's actions moronic and calling someone a moron.

It is additionally galling to call someone a moron because they are an addict and/or (I think "and") have mental illness.

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5 minutes ago, msudaisy26 said:

Whoever said this thread would die before 520 pages is way off. We are hitting 520 before midnight at this pace and with this discussion.

Given its proclivity for a seemingly interminable lifespan, THIS should be the new title of this thread...

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I was being generous when I said he may last till week 8.

Dude needs to simply focus on getting his life together. The NFL is moving on from Josh Gordon.....really soon. Things will come to light really fast. I will be shocked if he get’s picked up. And if he does.....he will not last.

Something is up. And unfortunately....he has a serious sickness that is called drug addiction. The pressures of being a professional athlete is something he simply can’t handle in his fragile state.

It’s too bad. Immense talent. But he needs to stay clean......and it seems he can’t. It is a powerful disease and destroys lives.

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34 minutes ago, Alex P Keaton said:

Had a guy working for me who had this happen almost monthly.  And it was seemingly random each time.

Had a guy at my work high as a kite but it was from heroine. GF a co worker is naive as hell about him and keeps trusting him. Dude wasted her whole tax return on drugs and brought up another guy into it as an excuse to get high and GF not know about it. Another Coworker of mine who went to school with him told me the dude isn't loyal and trying to hook up with her (She's engaged) among other girls. Dude was lucky my last Seafood manager was transferred last year or he'd have ended up being fired sooner then he did. Back in May he didn't show up for 3 straight days of work and we found out he was arrested with dope on him. Rehab and everything lost his job. A lot of co workers were thrilled he got canned but now the GF acts as if we're all the enemy. Such a horrible situation all around. 

This isn't saying Josh is doing dope but I know how the Browns as an organization probably feel about this. Hope he gets out of football and just focuses on himself mental and physical. And by no means a detractor of pot wished it was legalized as I've seen too many people I know lose their life because of these drug dealing pushing Drs who send them hope with opioids and get addicted. Cannabis when used correctly and acting as an adult about it can be very positive. 

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9 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

I, as an unbiased observer, don’t get the stance @Joe Bryant is taking.  So an NFL player can’t be called a moron on this site?  If that’s the call, so be it.  But it seems it’s being enforced in this thread only then, when a player is (supposedly) being released for yet unknown reasons.  Doesn’t sound like he’s failed a test, so he’s not being called a moron for being an addict.  So why is calling Gordon a moron worthy of “some time off?”  Seems ridiculous.  And no, I’m not an alias.  

Because the site owner asked him not to do it again, and in an act of defiance he did it again.

I don’t see it as a big loss.

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1 minute ago, Todem said:

To make sure you land him is the only reason to trade for him.

But I am shocked anyone can be interested......come on. Something is obviously wrong.

7th round pick might be worth it. so many of them are cut anyways

 

ETA could even be a conditional 7th rounder 

 

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1 minute ago, Todem said:

To make sure you land him is the only reason to trade for him.

But I am shocked anyone can be interested......come on. Something is obviously wrong.

Also if you trade for him you have him under his cheap rookie contract. Since he’s not subject to waivers once he’s released he’s a free agent and then you also have to outbid other teams and perhaps pay him a good amount more than he’s makjng now.

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1 minute ago, Dr. Dan said:

7th round pick might be worth it. so many of them are cut anyways

 

ETA could even be a conditional 7th rounder 

 

My guess is that every team (if 5 are really interested) would be offering the infamous "conditional 7th rounder" for him.  Makes you think someone would have to go a round higher to get him?

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Just now, Chaka said:

You clearly don't get it.

There is a difference between calling someone's actions moronic and calling someone a moron.

It is additionally galling to call someone a moron because they are an addict and/or (I think "and") have mental illness.

I don’t get it that *you think* he has a mental illness?  You would be correct.  I guess if *you think* he has a mental illness, then it’s most definitely galling to call him a moron.  

Without knowing what has actually transpired for the Browns to part ways, I think it’s galling to ban someone for calling Gordon a moron.  

Now if word comes out that he showed up high as a kite, doing blow off of Hue’s desk, dressed only in his underwear, then calling him a moron would likely be inappropriate.  But if he were simply late to eight meetings and didn’t know the playbook, then I’d say it’s fair to call him a moron, no?

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5 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

7th round pick might be worth it. so many of them are cut anyways

 

ETA could even be a conditional 7th rounder 

 

Exactly, a conditional 7th rounder based on him being on the team until the end of the season, is a completely no risk way to make sure you get the guy.

I've seen Dallas(makes infinite sense) and Jacksonville brought up. I'd throw New England in there (they never replaced Cooks and there are a couple Moss similarities) as well as Carolina(lost their top pass catcher, Norv connection)

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Just now, SayWhat? said:

I don’t get it that *you think* he has a mental illness?  You would be correct.  I guess if *you think* he has a mental illness, then it’s most definitely galling to call him a moron.  

Without knowing what has actually transpired for the Browns to part ways, I think it’s galling to ban someone for calling Gordon a moron.  

Now if word comes out that he showed up high as a kite, doing blow off of Hue’s desk, dressed only in his underwear, then calling him a moron would likely be inappropriate.  But if he were simply late to eight meetings and didn’t know the playbook, then I’d say it’s fair to call him a moron, no?

You are focusing on the wrong part of my post.

It's pretty simple: Call his actions moronic, don't call him a moron.

You can do it if you try.

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Just now, SayWhat? said:

I don’t get it that *you think* he has a mental illness?  You would be correct.  I guess if *you think* he has a mental illness, then it’s most definitely galling to call him a moron.  

Without knowing what has actually transpired for the Browns to part ways, I think it’s galling to ban someone for calling Gordon a moron.  

Now if word comes out that he showed up high as a kite, doing blow off of Hue’s desk, dressed only in his underwear, then calling him a moron would likely be inappropriate.  But if he were simply late to eight meetings and didn’t know the playbook, then I’d say it’s fair to call him a moron, no?

Bud, if you find it "galling" to tell somebody to go post on some other fantasy football message board for 2 weeks... I really want to live your life.  No joke.

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16 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

I, as an unbiased observer, don’t get the stance @Joe Bryant is taking.  So an NFL player can’t be called a moron on this site?  If that’s the call, so be it.  But it seems it’s being enforced in this thread only then, when a player is (supposedly) being released for yet unknown reasons.  Doesn’t sound like he’s failed a test, so he’s not being called a moron for being an addict.  So why is calling Gordon a moron worthy of “some time off?”  Seems ridiculous.  And no, I’m not an alias.  

Because it’s a privately owned site and they can do what they want?

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2 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

I don’t get it that *you think* he has a mental illness?  You would be correct.  I guess if *you think* he has a mental illness, then it’s most definitely galling to call him a moron.  

Without knowing what has actually transpired for the Browns to part ways, I think it’s galling to ban someone for calling Gordon a moron.  

Now if word comes out that he showed up high as a kite, doing blow off of Hue’s desk, dressed only in his underwear, then calling him a moron would likely be inappropriate.  But if he were simply late to eight meetings and didn’t know the playbook, then I’d say it’s fair to call him a moron, no?

Drop it.

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1 minute ago, JamieMurphy said:

Hoping the Browns had a knee jerk reaction to him being late and didn't like his explanation for the injury. Someone in the front office taking trade calls may be thinking they acted hastily, but the damage is done. Trade him, release him, but give him a new lease on his career.

I think his leases in the NFL are about to expire. It is not worth the trouble anymore. It is a disruption. 

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Just now, Todem said:

I think his leases in the NFL are about to expire. It is not worth the trouble anymore. It is a disruption. 

Agree, but I would think that the sensation for an uber-confident NFL exec who scooped up Gordon for peanuts would be pretty similar to a fantasy owner this season who got Gordon for basically nothing at the end of a fantasy draft.  You thought you were getting a steal.  That feeling is why I believe that Gordon's got another strike left... if only one.

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2 minutes ago, Todem said:

I think his leases in the NFL are about to expire. It is not worth the trouble anymore. It is a disruption. 

Maybe, maybe not. Get him on a rookie contract for a year at the cost of a conditional late round pick? If no suspension is looming and the Browns just said enough, that's a pretty tasty proposition

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If you scroll back about 465 pages and 6 years ago you’ll see that I said that I traded this dude after finding out that he has never gone more than 8 months without getting busted for drugs since his sophomore year in hs.  Apparently you can get addicted to doobies.  

 

Eta:  stoked to have traded for Landry two days ago. 

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9 minutes ago, JamieMurphy said:

Hoping the Browns had a knee jerk reaction to him being late and didn't like his explanation for the injury. Someone in the front office taking trade calls may be thinking they acted hastily, but the damage is done. Trade him, release him, but give him a new lease on his career.

I don't think we know the entire story and my bet is the entire story includes enough facts so that the Browns simply could not trust Josh Gordon at all anymore.  I think it is more than being late to meetings or getting injured at a promo shoot.  I would further bet that these calls from teams are primarily to find out what those facts are, not necessarily to engage in hard trade talks.  Whether the Browns choose to disclose the facts or not, I don't know, but it doesn't surprise me at all that other teams are calling to try to get the clear picture.

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2 minutes ago, bumpman said:

I don't think we know the entire story and my bet is the entire story includes enough facts so that the Browns simply could not trust Josh Gordon at all anymore.  I think it is more than being late to meetings or getting injured at a promo shoot.  I would further bet that these calls from teams are primarily to find out what those facts are, not necessarily to engage in hard trade talks.  Whether the Browns choose to disclose the facts or not, I don't know, but it doesn't surprise me at all that other teams are calling to try to get the clear picture.

If, and of course it's a big if considering his tenuous status in the league, but if there isn't a failed drug test, I bet he'll be on someone's roster for week 3.

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A few day's ago Hugh was talking about how they need to get Gordon more looks. Today He's told he will be cut. I can't imagine a non drug related event is going to make them give up on a mega talented player at this point. The reports are that he has showed up late to meetings and is not himself. Where there is smoke there is fire.

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14 minutes ago, bumpman said:

I don't think we know the entire story and my bet is the entire story includes enough facts so that the Browns simply could not trust Josh Gordon at all anymore.  I think it is more than being late to meetings or getting injured at a promo shoot.  I would further bet that these calls from teams are primarily to find out what those facts are, not necessarily to engage in hard trade talks.  Whether the Browns choose to disclose the facts or not, I don't know, but it doesn't surprise me at all that other teams are calling to try to get the clear picture.

You're exactly right. The teams are just doing their due diligence. 

When you have been around someone who has addiction issues it's not hard to see the signs that they have relapsed. They may not know for sure but they know.

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It's not censorship, it's consequences for one's actions. Censorship would be to go back and delete such and such comments and any record of it.

I am personally allowed to go hit on my neighbor's wife, that doesn't mean I should.

The name calling doesn't bother me with Gordon here, but this is not my house. If I'm told multiple times to cut it out I cut it out. 

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