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[Freak Show]

5 minutes ago, identikit said:

When Cramer says 'That's all I got to say' it's a huge lie.

Wasn't that a Foghorn Leghorn line?

[identikit]

3 minutes ago, Freak Show said:

Wasn't that a Foghorn Leghorn line?

 

Both very cartoonish

Edited May 20 by identikit

[ChiefD]

So, what happens to IPOE stock when this merger happens with SOFI?  

Does it just automagically turn into SOFI stock or is there something I need to do? 

[McBokonon]

Just now, ChiefD said:

So, what happens to IPOE stock when this merger happens with SOFI?  

Does it just automagically turn into SOFI stock or is there something I need to do? 

The ticker will change automatically

[Bob Sacamano]

Melvin supposedly closed out of their GME short position in Q1.

[stbugs]

Looks like a nice day.

[stbugs]

1 minute ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Melvin supposedly closed out of their GME short position in Q1.

There is no squeeze anymore. It’s just so much discussion and convincing people to buy. That’s it now. I think it was Oz that posted that both AMC and GME had 20% and under short positions which isn’t a lot considering how overvalued the stocks are on a “real” basis.

[ericttspikes]

Sofi's Q1 numbers if anyone is interested. Looks good to me. Nice uptick in member growth.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1818874/000110465921069505/tm2116935d1_425.htm

[JAA]

12 minutes ago, stbugs said:

15 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Melvin supposedly closed out of their GME short position in Q1.

There is no squeeze anymore. It’s just so much discussion and convincing people to buy. That’s it now. I think it was Oz that posted that both AMC and GME had 20% and under short positions which isn’t a lot considering how overvalued the stocks are on a “real” basis.

So there is no moon shot?

[identikit]

4 minutes ago, JAA said:

So there is no moon shot?

More like Capricorn One.

[stbugs]

1 minute ago, JAA said:

So there is no moon shot?

I don’t think so. I think it’s like cryptos recent volatility. People want to invent some reason, whales buying and shorts squeezed, because it happened once but I think this is just pure you’ve got a lot of people interested in buying (or selling) because they believe every tweet. I mean it’s insane how a car company CEO and Snoop Dogg can drive markets with tweets. It’s really a funky time to be investing. It feels like you’ve gone from the best companies driving stock news to memes and tweets. Amazon and Apple crush, yawn. Hertz going bankrupt, pile in baby. SPAC sucky rap, all in #####es. Ryan Cohen tweets a duck pooping on a frog, woo hoo, moonshot! Elon Musk tweets he loves Doge, makes fun of Doge, Tesla loves Bitcoin, Tesla hates Bitcoin...

It’s amazing but honestly not surprising considering the attention span of all the stimulated folks flush with investable cash. There will be some fun stories in 5 years. Some will be about how cheap some purchases were and some will be wondering why people still own shares of some companies, but it’s going to be a bunch of Harvard Business School case studies.

[2Squirrels1Nut]

45 minutes ago, identikit said:

When Cramer says 'That's all I got to say' it's a huge lie.

I bet his coke dealer is richer than god.

[JAA]

2 minutes ago, stbugs said:

13 minutes ago, JAA said:

So there is no moon shot?

I don’t think so. I think it’s like cryptos recent volatility. People want to invent some reason, whales buying and shorts squeezed, because it happened once but I think this is just pure you’ve got a lot of people interested in buying (or selling) because they believe every tweet. I mean it’s insane how a car company CEO and Snoop Dogg can drive markets with tweets. It’s really a funky time to be investing. It feels like you’ve gone from the best companies driving stock news to memes and tweets. Amazon and Apple crush, yawn. Hertz going bankrupt, pile in baby. SPAC sucky rap, all in #####es. Ryan Cohen tweets a duck pooping on a frog, woo hoo, moonshot! Elon Musk tweets he loves Doge, makes fun of Doge, Tesla loves Bitcoin, Tesla hates Bitcoin...

It’s amazing but honestly not surprising considering the attention span of all the stimulated folks flush with investable cash. There will be some fun stories in 5 years. Some will be about how cheap some purchases were and some will be wondering why people still own shares of some companies, but it’s going to be a bunch of Harvard Business School case studies.

So you're saying there is a chance

[2Squirrels1Nut]

26 minutes ago, stbugs said:

There is no squeeze anymore. It’s just so much discussion and convincing people to buy. That’s it now. I think it was Oz that posted that both AMC and GME had 20% and under short positions which isn’t a lot considering how overvalued the stocks are on a “real” basis.

All due respect to DD but have to agree with this. 

[identikit]

I know mutual funds aren't the talk much in here, but I just started a small position in Invenomic Fund Investor Class shares (BIVRX).

Up 60% plus so far YTD.

Seems to be doing the right things in this volatile market.

 

 

Edited May 20 by identikit

[BassNBrew]

1 hour ago, McBokonon said:

The ticker will change automatically

And then the price will drop.

[Charlie Harper]

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

There is no squeeze anymore. It’s just so much discussion and convincing people to buy. That’s it now. I think it was Oz that posted that both AMC and GME had 20% and under short positions which isn’t a lot considering how overvalued the stocks are on a “real” basis.

I'm holding until 6/9 when the votes are tallied. There's just too much out research from the guys at reddit that makes sense, especially after the hedge funds and Robinhood conspired to drive the price down. 

The tweets from Cohen and now GME official Twitter are too coincidental to just ignore. What other company starts voting on 4/20 for a 6/9 board meeting? 

Cohen is either playing the crowd as pawns or really signaling that something good can happen for the holders. However, if I was taking over a video game store. I wouldn't want to alienate my consumer base. 

Do I think GME is worthless without the "squeeze"? Yes. Do I know for certain the squeeze will happen...again? No. However, I think there's a 50% chance of it happening and if it does squeeze like predicted than pot odds say I gotta stay in it.

Edited May 20 by Charlie Harper

[David Dodds]

5 minutes ago, Charlie Harper said:

I'm holding until 6/9 when the votes are tallied. There's just too much out research from the guys at reddit that makes sense, especially after the hedge funds and Robinhood conspired to drive the price down. 

The tweets from Cohen and now GME official Twitter are too coincidental to just ignore. What other company starts voting on 4/20 for a 6/9 board meeting? 

Cohen is either playing the crowd as pawns or really signaling that something good can happen for the holders. However, if I was taking over a video game store. I wouldn't want to alienate my consumer base. 

Do I think GME is worthless without the "squeeze"? Yes. Do I know for certain the squeeze will happen...again? No. However, I think there's a 50% chance of it happening and if it does squeeze like predicted than pot odds say I gotta stay in it.

Lambos or Homeless for me. 

[Desert_Power]

8 minutes ago, Charlie Harper said:

Cohen is either playing the crowd as pawns or really signaling that something good can happen for the holders.

I agree that one of these two things is probably happening.

[Charlie Harper]

2 minutes ago, Desert_Power said:

I agree that one of these two things is probably happening.

And which one is in the best interest of the company/ticker?

I'd like to think Cohen is smarter than stringing his consumer base along for short term capital infusion. 

[Capella]

11 minutes ago, David Dodds said:

Lambos or Homeless for me. 

Really the only way to go through life 

[stbugs]

23 minutes ago, Charlie Harper said:

And which one is in the best interest of the company/ticker?

I'd like to think Cohen is smarter than stringing his consumer base along for short term capital infusion. 

That’s a great question. GME isn’t a solid investment fundamentally and their last earnings wasn’t good and didn’t have any wow factor for the future. Is it in the best interest for the stock to do badly as they are trying to turn it around or is it better for it to crash now and then have the ability to go up while they turn it around.

I look at Best Buy as a great example for GME. They are worth $28B and GME is worth $12B. Problem is that BB has $47B in revenue and $1.8B in earnings. GME had $5B in revenue and negative earnings. GME hasn’t had positive earnings since 2018 and even then it was only $35 million.  That’s why the price targets are $45 per share and that’s again assuming GME successfully turns things around and doesn’t just keep losing revenue.

I think for their long term success as a stock, it would be better if it crashed and they could build on that. If it just keeps losing 10-15% a year there won’t be anymore memes and interest and that could hurt their actual business. If it crashes, blame the hedge funds and start fresh and make it a positive story if it works.

[Capella]

2 hours ago, stbugs said:

Looks like a nice day.

Why would you ever write this 

[The Man With No Name]

7 minutes ago, Capella said:

Why would you ever write this 

Did East coast sell everything while at lunch ? The tides have turned

Edited May 20 by The Man With No Name

[Bob Sacamano]

Who is the SPAC expert here? @BassNBrew? @Desert_Power?

Are IPOE warrants mispriced right now?

[Bob Sacamano]

Is there a "normal"/expected relationship between Warrants and Commons?

There seems to me to be an arbitrage opportunity between IPOE and IPOEWS. Maybe I've been thinking about them wrong this whole time. Or maybe there's a typical shift in relationship closer to merger that I've missed?

It has seemed typical to me for most of the SPAC warrants to trade at a premium to commons when combined with the exercise price

• HAACW = $1.63 + $11.50 exercise  = $13.13 >>>> HAAC $10.01.
• STICWS = $2.25 + $11.50 exercise = $13.75 >>>>> STIC $9.96).

I'd call those "normal" relative to what I've observed the past year.

IPOEWS currently $5.73 +$11.50 = $17.23 <<<<<IPOE $18.27

[Bob Sacamano]

GHVIW = $4.10 + $11.50 = $16.10 >>>>>> GHVI $12.18

[McBokonon]

1 minute ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Is there a "normal"/expected relationship between Warrants and Commons?

There seems to me to be an arbitrage opportunity between IPOE and IPOEWS. Maybe I've been thinking about them wrong this whole time. Or maybe there's a typical shift in relationship closer to merger that I've missed?

It has seemed typical to me for most of the SPAC warrants to trade at a premium to commons when combined with the exercise price

• HAACW = $1.63 + $11.50 exercise  = $13.13 >>>> HAAC $10.01.
• STICWS = $2.25 + $11.50 exercise = $13.75 >>>>> STIC $9.96).

I'd call those "normal" relative to what I've observed the past year.

IPOEWS currently $5.73 +$11.50 = $17.23 <<<<<IPOE $18.27

I’m no expert at all, but in this case HAAC is $10.01 today. The warrants have a date in the future like options, so aren’t you paying $1.63 for the right to buy HAAC at $11.50 in 2025 or whenever the hell they expire?

[ConstruxBoy]

1 hour ago, David Dodds said:

Lambos or Homeless for me. 

So....Dumb and Dumber?

[stbugs]

18 minutes ago, Capella said:

Why would you ever write this 

Wait, I say something positive and now I shouldn’t?

[Bob Sacamano]

 

3 minutes ago, McBokonon said:

I’m no expert at all, but in this case HAAC is $10.01 today. The warrants have a date in the future like options, so aren’t you paying $1.63 for the right to buy HAAC at $11.50 in 2025 or whenever the hell they expire?

Mostly accurate statement, yes. But the price of those Warrants is added to the $11.50 to determine your basis in the Common when you exercise. And they're not really dated, other than the expiration. I believe you can convert any time post-merger.

Edited May 20 by Bob Sacamano

[identikit]

4 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Wait, I say something positive and now I shouldn’t?

It's a Schleprock play

Edited May 20 by identikit

[Capella]

3 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Wait, I say something positive and now I shouldn’t?

Fair point. 

[Bob Sacamano]

1 minute ago, stbugs said:

Wait, I say something positive and now I shouldn’t?

My Link

[Bob Sacamano]

unit's at $19.55. With the common at $18.23 and 1/4 warrant per unit, that's implied warrant price of $5.28? Which is even cheaper. 

I'm missing something here, right? 

[FreeBaGeL]

14 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Is there a "normal"/expected relationship between Warrants and Commons?

There seems to me to be an arbitrage opportunity between IPOE and IPOEWS. Maybe I've been thinking about them wrong this whole time. Or maybe there's a typical shift in relationship closer to merger that I've missed?

It has seemed typical to me for most of the SPAC warrants to trade at a premium to commons when combined with the exercise price

• HAACW = $1.63 + $11.50 exercise  = $13.13 >>>> HAAC $10.01.
• STICWS = $2.25 + $11.50 exercise = $13.75 >>>>> STIC $9.96).

I'd call those "normal" relative to what I've observed the past year.

IPOEWS currently $5.73 +$11.50 = $17.23 <<<<<IPOE $18.27

The warrants and commons will eventually adjust to the $11.50 difference once the warrants are redeemable, either via the commons coming down in price relative to warrants, warrants going up, or some combination of both.

If you're planning to hodl long term you may as well buy the warrants as like you said, they are cheaper and get you the same thing in the end.  If you're planning to move out of the stock in the short term the arbitrage gap could be anywhere at the time you want to sell, possibly even larger than it is now.  We played NKLA warrant arbitrage in this thread last year when the gap was massive (like $20 difference if I recall).  Ultimately in that case they both lost so much value with the air coming out of the company that the lost stock price more than covered the arbitrage difference in the end, but SoFi seems much more stable.

[Bob Sacamano]

My summary of that:

Point in time, if you were going to buy into IPOE anyway, the WS or the U would seem to be the way to go right now. There shouldn't necessarily be an expectation that the relationship between the common and the warrant will return to "normal". And if it does, it's just as likely the common regresses rather than the WS appreciating.

Edited May 20 by Bob Sacamano
Wine.U

[Bob Sacamano]

Earnings will ultimately decide it (and I'm sure smack them back down even with a beat), but CRM sure feels like it's dying to bust out.

[stbugs]

2 hours ago, identikit said:

I know mutual funds aren't the talk much in here, but I just started a small position in Invenomic Fund Investor Class shares (BRVIX).

Up 60% plus so far YTD.

Seems to be doing the right things in this volatile market.

 

 

Looks like the short positions have to be the main bulk of the gains, which makes sense. I looked at the top holdings and some have done well but nothing close to the gain YTD. Since the market peaked in February the short game absolutely would have helped.

Also, assuming it’s BIVRX you are talking about.

Edited May 20 by stbugs

[identikit]

4 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Looks like the short positions have to be the main bulk of the gains, which makes sense. I looked at the top holdings and some have done well but nothing close to the gain YTD. Since the market peaked in February the short game absolutely would have helped.

Also, assuming it’s BIVRX you are talking about.

Yeah, sorry for the typo.

Fixed it.

Edited May 20 by identikit

[ericttspikes]

So an unprofitable Oat Milk company that generated $420 million in sales IPOs at $12 B but SPACS are now garbage? 

Edited May 20 by ericttspikes

[JB Breakfast Club]

I have 2k to throw at something highly speculative. I have enough AMC/GME. Anyone want to pitch something fun?

[Desert_Power]

1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Is there a "normal"/expected relationship between Warrants and Commons?

There seems to me to be an arbitrage opportunity between IPOE and IPOEWS. Maybe I've been thinking about them wrong this whole time. Or maybe there's a typical shift in relationship closer to merger that I've missed?

It has seemed typical to me for most of the SPAC warrants to trade at a premium to commons when combined with the exercise price

• HAACW = $1.63 + $11.50 exercise  = $13.13 >>>> HAAC $10.01.
• STICWS = $2.25 + $11.50 exercise = $13.75 >>>>> STIC $9.96).

I'd call those "normal" relative to what I've observed the past year.

IPOEWS currently $5.73 +$11.50 = $17.23 <<<<<IPOE $18.27

The warrants have a time component to them. Both when they start and end being redeemable. As FreeBagel said, eventually they should converge. DNMR warrants were once off about $10 from where they should have been. Of course, both the warrant and the underlying are down big from peak...but they're now trading much more closely to the real value since I believe redemptions start next week.

There are Black-Scholes and other warrant valuation models you can try out to get a sense of fair value. I certainly think there are arbitrage opportunities out there since I have seen very little commentary about this space. You also have a fairly large piece of the SPAC community that seems to invest in only warrants, further creating dislocations (and potential opportunities). 

I haven't bought a new SPAC since March or so just because issuance is dried up. Plenty of different SPAC units bought near NAV. We'll see if any of these acorns become an oak.

[Bob Sacamano]

3 minutes ago, JB Breakfast Club said:

I have 2k to throw at something highly speculative. I have enough AMC/GME. Anyone want to pitch something fun?

I hear there are interesting opportunities in Oat Milk

[Bob Sacamano]

Risk Off?

[identikit]

1 minute ago, Bob Sacamano said:

I hear there are interesting opportunities in Oat Milk

It's absolutely frothy.

[Sand]

 

5 minutes ago, JB Breakfast Club said:

I have 2k to throw at something highly speculative. I have enough AMC/GME. Anyone want to pitch something fun?

MUDS or MUDSU.  If you think NFTs have a bright future, that is.

[JB Breakfast Club]

5 minutes ago, Sand said:

 

MUDS or MUDSU.  If you think NFTs have a bright future, that is.

I already have lots of SPACs, including MUDS. 

[ericttspikes]

7 minutes ago, JB Breakfast Club said:

I have 2k to throw at something highly speculative. I have enough AMC/GME. Anyone want to pitch something fun?

Not sure if it's fun, but I've been scaling into OPEN. Beaten down, has Chamath stink all over it. Still might go below 10 yet but is looking to have rev in the $8-$10 B range next year and creep toward profitability. Sitting at $8B now and I'm looking for a double in 6-12 months on a sentiment reversal. Also seems like at worst a neutral play if not better suited for inflationary environment IF those fears pan out.

[-OZ-]

On 5/18/2021 at 9:05 AM, -OZ- said:

I waited too long, stupid work. Bought in the low $212

 

On 5/18/2021 at 9:58 AM, BassNBrew said:

SE always get pummelled early after earning and then bounces big once people realize how much ### they are kicking.

I wish I had bigger 🎱🎱's 

~15% gain in less than 2 days in a company I like