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RB Le'Veon Bell, FA - 9.6.21 Workout For Baltimore (12 Viewers)

lexdizzle said:
Edbouchette on twitter

Steelers RB Le'Veon Bell's injury to right foot not as significant as teammate Matt Spaeth's Lisfranc.

Still, as a RB mid foot injury could keep Bell sidelined for awhile

Speculation is 6-8 weeks from bramel. So probably 1st 2 games
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Six weeks would probably be the first four games. Eight weeks would most likely be the first six.

 
wdcrob said:
lexdizzle said:
Edbouchette on twitterSteelers RB Le'Veon Bell's injury to right foot not as significant as teammate Matt Spaeth's Lisfranc.Still, as a RB mid foot injury could keep Bell sidelined for awhileSpeculation is 6-8 weeks from bramel. So probably 1st 2 games
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Six weeks would probably be the first four games. Eight weeks would most likely be the first six.
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Better than a season ender in dynasty... will blow up his redraft value if the longer end of prognosis proves accurate... how soon until he can start running and cutting... if he has to wait until closer to return so as to not aggravate foot injury, what kind of football shape will he be in when he returns...

this could mean it could take longer for him to become a feature RB if that was PITs intent... if it happens this year, if he can stay healthy once he returns, there could be transitional phase to accommodate additional time that may be needed for him to get into game shape?

 
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Bob Magaw said:
wdcrob said:
lexdizzle said:
Edbouchette on twitterSteelers RB Le'Veon Bell's injury to right foot not as significant as teammate Matt Spaeth's Lisfranc.Still, as a RB mid foot injury could keep Bell sidelined for awhileSpeculation is 6-8 weeks from bramel. So probably 1st 2 games
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Six weeks would probably be the first four games. Eight weeks would most likely be the first six.
Click to expand...
Better than a season ender in dynasty... will blow up his redraft value if the longer end of prognosis proves accurate...how soon until he can start running and cutting... if he has to wait until closer to return so as to not aggravate foot injury, what kind of football shape will he be in when he returns...

this could mean it could take longer for him to become a feature RB if that was PITs intent... if it happens this year, if he can stay healthy once he returns, there could be transitional phase to accommodate additional time that may be needed for him to get into game shape?
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I think a season ender would be better in dynasty, IR him and either pick up Dwyer, Redman or pick up another player and move on

 
Brittle back is not what Steelers Nation was expecting. Bell will have work cut out for himself to win over the fickle fans.

 
msudaisy26 said:
Bob Magaw said:
wdcrob said:
lexdizzle said:
Edbouchette on twitterSteelers RB Le'Veon Bell's injury to right foot not as significant as teammate Matt Spaeth's Lisfranc.Still, as a RB mid foot injury could keep Bell sidelined for awhileSpeculation is 6-8 weeks from bramel. So probably 1st 2 games
Click to expand...
Six weeks would probably be the first four games. Eight weeks would most likely be the first six.
Click to expand...
Better than a season ender in dynasty... will blow up his redraft value if the longer end of prognosis proves accurate...how soon until he can start running and cutting... if he has to wait until closer to return so as to not aggravate foot injury, what kind of football shape will he be in when he returns...

this could mean it could take longer for him to become a feature RB if that was PITs intent... if it happens this year, if he can stay healthy once he returns, there could be transitional phase to accommodate additional time that may be needed for him to get into game shape?
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I think a season ender would be better in dynasty, IR him and either pick up Dwyer, Redman or pick up another player and move on
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How would a season ending injury be better for him in dynasty?

 
pghrob said:
Brittle back is not what Steelers Nation was expecting. Bell will have work cut out for himself to win over the fickle fans.
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Don't think Bell is worried about what the fanbase thinks of him. He's got a lot bigger issues on his mind. Of course, he's just as worried about his injuries, and not what he expected either. He may prove to be brittle, but it's a little early to be calling him that yet. Patience.

 
Alex P Keaton said:
msudaisy26 said:
Bob Magaw said:
wdcrob said:
lexdizzle said:
Edbouchette on twitterSteelers RB Le'Veon Bell's injury to right foot not as significant as teammate Matt Spaeth's Lisfranc.Still, as a RB mid foot injury could keep Bell sidelined for awhileSpeculation is 6-8 weeks from bramel. So probably 1st 2 games
Click to expand...
Six weeks would probably be the first four games. Eight weeks would most likely be the first six.
Click to expand...
Better than a season ender in dynasty... will blow up his redraft value if the longer end of prognosis proves accurate...how soon until he can start running and cutting... if he has to wait until closer to return so as to not aggravate foot injury, what kind of football shape will he be in when he returns...

this could mean it could take longer for him to become a feature RB if that was PITs intent... if it happens this year, if he can stay healthy once he returns, there could be transitional phase to accommodate additional time that may be needed for him to get into game shape?
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I think a season ender would be better in dynasty, IR him and either pick up Dwyer, Redman or pick up another player and move on
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How would a season ending injury be better for him in dynasty?
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Was thinking the same.

If he doesn't show much this year, the team could just opt to go in another direction next year via free agency and/or the draft. I don't think Bell has a large window of opportunity here.

 
zamboni said:
Alex P Keaton said:
msudaisy26 said:
I think a season ender would be better in dynasty, IR him and either pick up Dwyer, Redman or pick up another player and move on
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How would a season ending injury be better for him in dynasty?
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Was thinking the same.

If he doesn't show much this year, the team could just opt to go in another direction next year via free agency and/or the draft. I don't think Bell has a large window of opportunity here.
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I think he's trying to say that Bell coming back mid-season (but not going to the IR where, league permitting, you can IR him and pick up someone else) is a waste of a roster spot, and likely to lead to an RBBC or at least a slow ramp-up. I get what he's saying. A worst case scenario is to have to use 2 active roster spots to hold Bell and, say, Dwyer, and ultimately have them both suck or timeshare upon Bell's return.

 
msudaisy26 said:
Bob Magaw said:
wdcrob said:
lexdizzle said:
Edbouchette on twitterSteelers RB Le'Veon Bell's injury to right foot not as significant as teammate Matt Spaeth's Lisfranc.Still, as a RB mid foot injury could keep Bell sidelined for awhileSpeculation is 6-8 weeks from bramel. So probably 1st 2 games
Click to expand...
Six weeks would probably be the first four games. Eight weeks would most likely be the first six.
Click to expand...
Better than a season ender in dynasty... will blow up his redraft value if the longer end of prognosis proves accurate...how soon until he can start running and cutting... if he has to wait until closer to return so as to not aggravate foot injury, what kind of football shape will he be in when he returns...

this could mean it could take longer for him to become a feature RB if that was PITs intent... if it happens this year, if he can stay healthy once he returns, there could be transitional phase to accommodate additional time that may be needed for him to get into game shape?
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I think a season ender would be better in dynasty, IR him and either pick up Dwyer, Redman or pick up another player and move on
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That makes absolutely no sense. A season ender is not good for anybody.

 
Alex P Keaton said:
msudaisy26 said:
Bob Magaw said:
wdcrob said:
lexdizzle said:
Edbouchette on twitterSteelers RB Le'Veon Bell's injury to right foot not as significant as teammate Matt Spaeth's Lisfranc.Still, as a RB mid foot injury could keep Bell sidelined for awhileSpeculation is 6-8 weeks from bramel. So probably 1st 2 games
Click to expand...
Six weeks would probably be the first four games. Eight weeks would most likely be the first six.
Click to expand...
Better than a season ender in dynasty... will blow up his redraft value if the longer end of prognosis proves accurate...how soon until he can start running and cutting... if he has to wait until closer to return so as to not aggravate foot injury, what kind of football shape will he be in when he returns...

this could mean it could take longer for him to become a feature RB if that was PITs intent... if it happens this year, if he can stay healthy once he returns, there could be transitional phase to accommodate additional time that may be needed for him to get into game shape?
Click to expand...
I think a season ender would be better in dynasty, IR him and either pick up Dwyer, Redman or pick up another player and move on
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How would a season ending injury be better for him in dynasty?
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For us, fantasy footballers, not for Bell. Like I said above you IR him and move to someone else. Nothing worse in my opinion than having a guy on your bench scoring 30 points because you wanted to see how he was after an injury, then starting him the next week and he tweaks the injury and leaves in the first ala Ahmad Bradshaw

 
The real question is now:

1) Is the job waiting for him when he comes back from this injury?

2) Will he be 100%?

3) IF he's 100% and IF a shot at the job is waiting on him... what share of carries does he get? Any shot at Feature back?

I'm standing by my earlier assessment to AVOID. Messy early in the year...getting messier around week 4-6..IF he even gets fully healthy. I'm wagering no single back out of PIT produces RB2 worthy numbers for standard size leagues this year.

 
Fat Nick said:
zamboni said:
Alex P Keaton said:
msudaisy26 said:
I think a season ender would be better in dynasty, IR him and either pick up Dwyer, Redman or pick up another player and move on
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How would a season ending injury be better for him in dynasty?
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Was thinking the same.

If he doesn't show much this year, the team could just opt to go in another direction next year via free agency and/or the draft. I don't think Bell has a large window of opportunity here.
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I think he's trying to say that Bell coming back mid-season (but not going to the IR where, league permitting, you can IR him and pick up someone else) is a waste of a roster spot, and likely to lead to an RBBC or at least a slow ramp-up. I get what he's saying. A worst case scenario is to have to use 2 active roster spots to hold Bell and, say, Dwyer, and ultimately have them both suck or timeshare upon Bell's return.
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But a season ending injury means more difficulty rehabbing and a lower chance of returning at the same level compared to a less serious injury. When hearing about a player is injured, does anyone hope for a season ending one over a minor one, even considering whatever dynasty IR strategy is involved?

 
MoveToSkypager said:
Fat Nick said:
zamboni said:
Alex P Keaton said:
msudaisy26 said:
I think a season ender would be better in dynasty, IR him and either pick up Dwyer, Redman or pick up another player and move on
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How would a season ending injury be better for him in dynasty?
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Was thinking the same.If he doesn't show much this year, the team could just opt to go in another direction next year via free agency and/or the draft. I don't think Bell has a large window of opportunity here.
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I think he's trying to say that Bell coming back mid-season (but not going to the IR where, league permitting, you can IR him and pick up someone else) is a waste of a roster spot, and likely to lead to an RBBC or at least a slow ramp-up. I get what he's saying. A worst case scenario is to have to use 2 active roster spots to hold Bell and, say, Dwyer, and ultimately have them both suck or timeshare upon Bell's return.
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But a season ending injury means more difficulty rehabbing and a lower chance of returning at the same level compared to a less serious injury. When hearing about a player is injured, does anyone hope for a season ending one over a minor one, even considering whatever dynasty IR strategy is involved?
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That is why I said it is better for us not him.

 
Rotoworld:

Le'Veon Bell is getting a second opinion on his foot injury.
Second opinions can be scary because they suggest that the player or team was not happy with the original opinion. In this case, Bell's initial diagnosis was a mid-foot sprain. That injury can vary greatly in terms of severity and rehab time, so we suspect Bell could be meeting with a foot specialist such as Dr. Robert Anderson in Charlotte. All the Steelers have said is that their second-round rookie will not play in this week's preseason game and they are awaiting a final diagnosis.

Source: Mike Garafolo on Twitter
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msudaisy26 said:
MoveToSkypager said:
Fat Nick said:
zamboni said:
Alex P Keaton said:
msudaisy26 said:
I think a season ender would be better in dynasty, IR him and either pick up Dwyer, Redman or pick up another player and move on
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How would a season ending injury be better for him in dynasty?
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Was thinking the same.If he doesn't show much this year, the team could just opt to go in another direction next year via free agency and/or the draft. I don't think Bell has a large window of opportunity here.
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I think he's trying to say that Bell coming back mid-season (but not going to the IR where, league permitting, you can IR him and pick up someone else) is a waste of a roster spot, and likely to lead to an RBBC or at least a slow ramp-up. I get what he's saying. A worst case scenario is to have to use 2 active roster spots to hold Bell and, say, Dwyer, and ultimately have them both suck or timeshare upon Bell's return.
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But a season ending injury means more difficulty rehabbing and a lower chance of returning at the same level compared to a less serious injury. When hearing about a player is injured, does anyone hope for a season ending one over a minor one, even considering whatever dynasty IR strategy is involved?
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That is why I said it is better for us not him.
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I don't think it's better for Bell owners, considering their success is tied to his.

 
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

Le'Veon Bell is getting a second opinion on his foot injury.
Second opinions can be scary because they suggest that the player or team was not happy with the original opinion. In this case, Bell's initial diagnosis was a mid-foot sprain. That injury can vary greatly in terms of severity and rehab time, so we suspect Bell could be meeting with a foot specialist such as Dr. Robert Anderson in Charlotte. All the Steelers have said is that their second-round rookie will not play in this week's preseason game and they are awaiting a final diagnosis.

Source: Mike Garafolo on Twitter
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Isn't Dr Anderson the Lis Franc harbinger?

 
[icon] said:
The real question is now:

1) Is the job waiting for him when he comes back from this injury?

2) Will he be 100%?

3) IF he's 100% and IF a shot at the job is waiting on him... what share of carries does he get? Any shot at Feature back?

I'm standing by my earlier assessment to AVOID. Messy early in the year...getting messier around week 4-6..IF he even gets fully healthy. I'm wagering no single back out of PIT produces RB2 worthy numbers for standard size leagues this year.
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I am thinking his shot at being a feature back in 2013 goes away if he misses the first few weeks.

 
Slapdash said:
I am thinking his shot at being a feature back in 2013 goes away if he misses the first few weeks.
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Really? I have to disagree with you there. The coaching staff had no strong ties to Dwyer or Redmon, even when Mendy was considered ready to come back. I think a healthy Le'Veon Bell will be intruiging to get back on the field considering the journeyman status of Dwyer/Redmon.

 
Slapdash said:
[icon] said:
The real question is now:

1) Is the job waiting for him when he comes back from this injury?

2) Will he be 100%?

3) IF he's 100% and IF a shot at the job is waiting on him... what share of carries does he get? Any shot at Feature back?

I'm standing by my earlier assessment to AVOID. Messy early in the year...getting messier around week 4-6..IF he even gets fully healthy. I'm wagering no single back out of PIT produces RB2 worthy numbers for standard size leagues this year.
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I am thinking his shot at being a feature back in 2013 goes away if he misses the first few weeks.
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If so, he wasn't that talented to begin with.

 
Dr. Bramel posted this on his blog after the Jamaal Charles scare a couple weeks ago:

What you don't want to hear is that Charles' MRI is concerning, that his actual diagnosis is in fact a sprain, or that he needs to see a foot specialist, specifically Dr. Robert Anderson in Charlotte.
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Presumably the MRI was concerning enough that they wanted a 2nd opinion and he's almost certainly seen a foot specialist for that. It was also diagnosed as a sprain (instead of a strain).

 
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wdcrob said:
Dr. Bramel posted this on his blog after the Jamaal Charles scare a couple weeks ago:

What you don't want to hear is that Charles' MRI is concerning, that his actual diagnosis is in fact a sprain, or that he needs to see a foot specialist, specifically Dr. Robert Anderson in Charlotte.
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Presumably the MRI was concerning enough that they wanted a 2nd opinion and he's almost certainly seen a foot specialist for that. It was also diagnosed as a sprain (instead of a strain).
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RUH ROH. THat can't be good news if you're going to the expert on all things bad news with a foot.

Good dig up WDCROB.

 
wdcrob said:
Dr. Bramel posted this on his blog after the Jamaal Charles scare a couple weeks ago:

What you don't want to hear is that Charles' MRI is concerning, that his actual diagnosis is in fact a sprain, or that he needs to see a foot specialist, specifically Dr. Robert Anderson in Charlotte.
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Presumably the MRI was concerning enough that they wanted a 2nd opinion and he's almost certainly seen a foot specialist for that. It was also diagnosed as a sprain (instead of a strain).
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Contact info in case anyone wants to call or visit Dr. Anderson:

http://www.carolinashealthcare.org/body.cfm?id=8062&action=detail&ref=92

 
Shutout said:
wdcrob said:
Dr. Bramel posted this on his blog after the Jamaal Charles scare a couple weeks ago:

What you don't want to hear is that Charles' MRI is concerning, that his actual diagnosis is in fact a sprain, or that he needs to see a foot specialist, specifically Dr. Robert Anderson in Charlotte.
Click to expand...
Presumably the MRI was concerning enough that they wanted a 2nd opinion and he's almost certainly seen a foot specialist for that. It was also diagnosed as a sprain (instead of a strain).
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RUH ROH. THat can't be good news if you're going to the expert on all things bad news with a foot.

Good dig up WDCROB.
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Note that the Rotoworld mention of Dr. Anderson was complete speculation.

 
MoveToSkypager said:
msudaisy26 said:
MoveToSkypager said:
Fat Nick said:
zamboni said:
Alex P Keaton said:
msudaisy26 said:
I think a season ender would be better in dynasty, IR him and either pick up Dwyer, Redman or pick up another player and move on
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How would a season ending injury be better for him in dynasty?
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Was thinking the same.If he doesn't show much this year, the team could just opt to go in another direction next year via free agency and/or the draft. I don't think Bell has a large window of opportunity here.
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I think he's trying to say that Bell coming back mid-season (but not going to the IR where, league permitting, you can IR him and pick up someone else) is a waste of a roster spot, and likely to lead to an RBBC or at least a slow ramp-up. I get what he's saying. A worst case scenario is to have to use 2 active roster spots to hold Bell and, say, Dwyer, and ultimately have them both suck or timeshare upon Bell's return.
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But a season ending injury means more difficulty rehabbing and a lower chance of returning at the same level compared to a less serious injury. When hearing about a player is injured, does anyone hope for a season ending one over a minor one, even considering whatever dynasty IR strategy is involved?
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That is why I said it is better for us not him.
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I don't think it's better for Bell owners, considering their success is tied to his.
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We will have to agree to disagree. If he is going to play hurt all year, I would rather have the open roster spot and put him on IR, then doing his best Ahmad Bradshaw impression.

 
I have an early pick in our dynasty draft coming up and now I'd guess there's a chance Bell falls to me. I suppose I have to take him if he's there, and I should probably be grateful if that happens, but it always scares me when rookies can't get on the field their first season.

Can anyone recall other RBs who have had a mid-foot sprain (not as severe as a Lisfranc) in the last couple years so I can see what they looked like after they returned? I have no issue taking a guy in dynasty who will be out for a period of time as long as I'm assured that when they return they'll be at full speed. What I don't want is someone like a Mikel Leshoure who will probably never be the same after that Achilles injury.

 
Terrible for any player, especially a rookie.

Playing against him week 1, so on that front, yay. But on a human front, wishing injuries is for idiots.

 
due to scheduling conflicts, we had to do our big $$ draft early this year. Took Bell in the 5th on Sunday. Sucks!!

 
Le'Veon Bell has Lisfranc, surgery possible
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Le'Veon Bell (foot) has been diagnosed with a Lisfranc injury, and the Steelers are unsure if he will require surgery.
He has no timetable for a return. FOX Sports' Jay Glazer reports the Steelers are "hoping" Bell can avoid surgery, but "won't be sure until he gets it double checked." NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reports Bell could be out "some time," and that the team is "pretty frustrated." Bell obviously needs to be removed from draft boards until we get a clearer idea of his timeline, but even a best-case scenario would likely have him missing 4-6 weeks. It's a tremendous disappointment for a player who was locked in as an RB2. As it is, the Steelers will likely now turn to a committee of replacement-level talents Isaac Redman, Jonathan Dwyer and La'Rod Stephens-Howling.
 
As someone not very into the medical field - why are Lisfranc's so prevalent now, and werent before? Or were they, and just misdiagnosed?

Thanks.

 
This clearly has to have been seen on the MRI from the other day and no one made this known...initial reports of a negative MRI were not true...hence they took him for a second opinion from a lisfranc expert

 
At least the Steelers were kind enough to let us know it was the dread Liz Franc. The coach didn't string us along the entire season telling us he'd be day to day. That Liz ##### is the devil. Like said before, better to break both legs. What a tragic waste of a 6th round pick, for those of us who drafted early. :topcat:

 
Lisfranc (Midfoot) Injury

Excerpts:

Treatment

Treatment for a Lisfranc injury depends on how severe the injury is.

Nonsurgical Treatment

If there are no fractures or dislocations in the joint and the ligaments are not completely torn, nonsurgical treatment may be all that is necessary for healing.

A nonsurgical treatment plan includes wearing a non-weightbearing cast for 6 weeks. You must be very strict about not putting weight on your injured foot during this period. This then progresses to weightbearing in a removable cast boot or an orthotic.

Your doctor will want to follow up with you regularly and take additional x-rays to make sure your foot is healing well. In the course of follow up, if there is any evidence that the bones in the injured joint have moved, then surgery will be needed to put the bones back in place.
Surgical TreatmentSurgery is recommended for all injuries with a fracture in the joints of the midfoot or with abnormal positioning (subluxation) of the joints. The goal of surgical treatment is to realign the joints and return the broken (fractured) bone fragments to a normal position.

Internal fixation.

In this procedure, the bones are positioned correctly (reduced) and held in place with plates or screws. Because the plates or screws will be placed across joints that normally have some motion, some or all of this hardware may be removed at a later date. This can vary from 3 to 5 months after surgery, and is at the surgeon's discretion.

Occasionally, the hardware may break before it is removed. This is not unusual when screws or plates span bones that have some movement. Metal can fatigue and fail under these conditions, just as a paperclip will fail if bent repeatedly. Most often surgery is successful even if some of the hardware fails.

Fusion.

If the injury is severe and has damage that cannot be repaired, fusion may be recommended as the initial surgical procedure. A fusion is essentially a "welding" process. The basic idea is to fuse together the damaged bones so that they heal into a single, solid piece.

Lisfranc injuries that may require fusion include joints that cannot be repaired with screws or plates or when the ligaments are severely ruptured. The hardware will not need to be removed because the joints are fused and will not move after they heal.

Rehabilitation.

After either surgery (reduction or fusion), a period of nonweightbearing for 6 to 8 weeks is recommended in a cast or cast boot. Weightbearing is started while the patient is in the boot if the x-rays look appropriate after 6 to 8 weeks. The amount of weight a patient can put on their foot, as well as the distance the patient is allowed to walk, is at the surgeon's discretion. Impact activities, such as running and jumping, should be avoided until the hardware has been removed.
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Recovery

Some athletes never return to their pre-injury levels of sport after these injuries. Despite excellent surgical reduction and fixation, arthritis may occur from the damage to the cartilage. This may result in chronic pain and may require fusion in the future.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Lizzy Frank strikes again. dammit
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Le'Veon Bell (foot) has been diagnosed with a Lisfranc injury, and the Steelers are unsure if he will require surgery.
He has no timetable for a return. FOX Sports' Jay Glazer reports the Steelers are "hoping" Bell can avoid surgery, but "won't be sure until he gets it double checked." NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reports Bell could be out "some time," and that the team is "pretty frustrated." Bell obviously needs to be removed from draft boards until we get a clearer idea of his timeline, but even a best-case scenario would likely have him missing 4-6 weeks. It's a tremendous disappointment for a player who was locked in as an RB2. As it is, the Steelers will likely now turn to a committee of replacement-level talents Isaac Redman, Jonathan Dwyer and La'Rod Stephens-Howling.
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MoveToSkypager said:
mere blitzianity said:
How about his value in a dyansty league? Do guys with the dreaded Lis Franc injury come back close to 100%?
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Mikel Leshoure and Ryan Williams had similar catastrophic injuries 2 years ago. They were available in the mid 2nd in some rookie late drafts then. Considering how tough of a time both of them had in recovery, Bell might drop further. YMMV though since they are different injuries, different draft classes and so on.
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Leshoure had a ruptured Achillies and Ryan Williams had a [SIZE=12.727272033691406px]ruptured patella tendon. Completely different injuries from Lisfranc.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12.727272033691406px]From what I've seen, and I'm no expert, tendon injuries are devastating, while ligament injuries are something players often recover from to 100%.[/SIZE]

 
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