cloppbeast
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Bell reports Monday.
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RB Le'Veon Bell, FA - 9.6.21 Workout For Baltimore (12 Viewers)
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TheFanatic
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theplayer11
Footballguy
please trade bell...says a bell owner with connor as handcuff
Jed
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
31 carries and 5 catches. Pretty much exactly what Bell doesnt want to see happen to himself. I guess. Still 25 grand per touch
NeverEnough
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dickey moe
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2017 Bell vs Cleveland - 10 carries for 32yds (3.2ypc) - 0 TD // 3rec for 15yds - 0 TD
2018 Conner vs Cleveland - 31 carries for 141yds (4.4ypc) - 2 TD // 5 rec for 57yds - 0 TD
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The General
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Rest up, LeVeon. Maybe take a trip abroad, pick up a hobby.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
Cool, one game. Let's see stats at season end. Also, I guess the o-line gets a lot of credit too...2017 Bell vs Cleveland - 10 carries for 32yds (3.2ypc) - 0 TD // 3rec for 15yds - 0 TD
2018 Conner vs Cleveland - 31 carries for 141yds (4.4ypc) - 2 TD // 5 rec for 57yds - 0 TD
TheFanatic
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He only has to last 9 games. He's on pace for 324 touches in that time frame. Seems about right.
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Bell vs his backup:
https://twitter.com/scottbarrettdfb/status/1038909437786959872?s=21
stay home kid, Conner’s got this
https://twitter.com/scottbarrettdfb/status/1038909437786959872?s=21
stay home kid, Conner’s got this Lutherman2112
Footballguy
Bell negotiated his last suspension down to three games from four and included this caveat:Not according to some.
"As part of a settlement between the two parties, Bell will remain in his current stage of the substance-abuse program, Garafolo added. Staying in the same stage of the program means Bell's next suspension would also be four games, not 10."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000687567/article/leveon-bells-suspension-reduced-to-three-games
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Lev, I love ya, but you need to factor in what happens if someone comes in and does your job.
Gopher State
Footballguy
X2Bell vs his backup:
https://twitter.com/scottbarrettdfb/status/1038909437786959872?s=21
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Not sure, Bell probably would have had 8-80 or something receiving, lessening those dumb INT opportunities. Conner was great though, I agree
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I don't think this changes anything. No matter what Conner does, Bell is still a great RB.
Conner getting hurt will change everything.
Conner getting hurt will change everything.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
DocHolliday
Footballguy
So if Conner looks good, that means Bells success is due the system? Bell is just an average RB?
TheFanatic
Footballguy
It says that it's not all Bell. That the line needs to get some credit. So if a team courting him doesn't have an equivalent line as Pittsburgh, then they can't expect as much production which means they won't pay as much.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Changes nothing. Conner did well today. Serviceable. Not elite. Bell is elite
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I still think Bell will be considered great and will be paid well. Guess we have to wait a while to find out
Statorama
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Bell's vision is about as good as I've ever seen in a RB. But at some point it's a cost/benefit thing. As DeAngelo showed previously (and *small sample* Conner today) the drop off isn't that steep between the Steeler starting and backup RBs. Bell deserves to get paid, but I can see why the Steelers feel it doesn't have to be them doing the paying.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I don't disagree, but his value took a hit today. Instead of trying to top Gurley, he is probably looking at something between DJ and Gurley which is still insane money...
msudaisy26
Footballguy
1 game didn't drop his value that much. Now if Connor keeps this up for the majority of these games until he comes back in week 10 then maybe.
foxco
Footballguy
I kind of agree with this, but if Conner blows up you have to think it will enter at least a few GMs minds that while Bell is obviously very, very good, the system certainly seems to help. DeAngelo Williams was at the very end of his career and looked terrific when Bell was hurt, so if Connor goes out and is great as well, there's a bit of a trend here.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
steelers1080
Footballguy
It was 1 game.
If Conner can do the same thing over an 8 game span, and just dominate, then yes, I think that would lower Bell's value a little bit. Not a lot, because he's a great 3-down back, but it would show that a player who only costs $600,000 per season can put up similar stats to one that costs $850,000 per game.
If Conner can do the same thing over an 8 game span, and just dominate, then yes, I think that would lower Bell's value a little bit. Not a lot, because he's a great 3-down back, but it would show that a player who only costs $600,000 per season can put up similar stats to one that costs $850,000 per game.
Doug B
Footballguy
Most NFL clubs already believe this. It underlies the entire RBBC thing that's been in effect for the last 15 years or so.
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Just some interesting past salary figures, for thought and comparison to modern times:
1978:
Running back O. J. Simpson was the highest paid player, at just under $733,400. Fran Tarkenton was the highest-paid quarterback at $360,000.
1982:
What about after two games (Chiefs next week)?at thinking one game by a backup changes Bell’s value.
What about after three games (Chiefs and then the Bucs in week 3)?
Connor done did stole Bell's job. Believe dat boi.
I'll take that bet, boi.What about after two games (Chiefs next week)?
What about after three games (Chiefs and then the Bucs in week 3)?
Connor done did stole Bell's job. Believe dat boi.
When Bell comes back, Conner won't get the majority of RB touches, like Bell has his whole career. How much?
Godsbrother
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Be careful with that bet. If Bell holds out until week 10 he may not even suit up for the Steelers.
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Who said I was betting anything?
Conner could tear his ACL tomorrow in practice and then Bell could report on Wednesday....I'm not betting any money on this.
Bell will get more, DJ was forced to compromise, take a team friendly deal and sign for less money than Gurley for multiple reasons: 1) missed all of last season with an injury, 2) he came into the league already old for his position (same age as Bell but only entering his 4th NFL season) 3) Arizona could tag him twice starting next year if they wanted to leaving him going on 29 looking for his second contract.
GeorgeCostanza
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not sure why PIT offered/franchised him at all. they can clearly just plug anyone in. they should have just let him go outright
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They would get literally nothing in return if they rescind the tag. Not even a compensation pick. Zero chance of that happening.
Even if he comes back in week 10, purely from a depth perspective for the playoffs, they wouldn't rescind it. And the precedence factor.
Oh, all right. You seemed so confident with your bold statement, I guess I misunderstood. My bad.Who said I was betting anything?
Conner could tear his ACL tomorrow in practice and then Bell could report on Wednesday....I'm not betting any money on this.
On a different note; assuming Bell's plan with the refusal to report/not informing Pitt of his decision, etc is to make things harder for Pitt (eat of $14.5M of their cap w/out having a player for that money, made Pitt plan like they'd have him, then have to change on the fly, distraction, etc), if Conner continues to play as well as he did yesterday (obviously not 180 YFS and 2 TD each week, that's impossible), does Bell report, AS A FURTHER MEANS OF CAUSING PROBLEMS? If Conner is playing great for 3-4 more weeks, then Bell reports, what is Pitt going to do? Play Bell $9M to be a backup RB? Force Conner to the bench after he played great for the first month? Switch their offensive identity into a RBBC, where neither RB gets into a rhythm?
Oh, that's different from what you posted before. You said he had taken Bell's job; backtracking is fine, though.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Or use both in a 60/40 split like most teams. I doubt they'd be "worried" about adding a top 3 RB in the league.
Schefter is reporting that "sources say" that Bell could report in September. If he still wants fan support, he'll report the Saturday before the Bucs game. That would cost him 2 game checks, but then he'd be ready to go for the Ravens game. If he skips the Ravens game that would be the point of no return for some fans.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I can't imagine Bell reporting even if Conner is leading the league in rushing after 4 weeks but your point is interesting for Bell to consider. I don't know that Bell wants to creat trouble for the Steelers though. He wants a long term deal and knows it's not happening in Pburgh.
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