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Nah. Considering the subject matter, it's very fitting.That's cool. The rest of the world stopped using "gay" as a synonym for stupid or bad or whatever in 2005. Welcome to 2018.
Nah. Considering the subject matter, it's very fitting.That's cool. The rest of the world stopped using "gay" as a synonym for stupid or bad or whatever in 2005. Welcome to 2018.
https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2018/10/10/nfl-los-angeles-rams-todd-gurley-sean-mcvay-stats/He's good because of the o-line nothing more. When he had a bad o-line he looked bad. It's not Mcvay's system it's the o-line. I said this when he was drafted he would only be as good as his line.
Why are you still talking about me? I guess keeping the Shark Pool 100% football only applies some of the time.It’s straight out of the trolling 101 manual, rule 3, right after the rule about bragging about how much money you have (which he did a few posts later). It’s all classic stuff.
Explain what you meanNah. Considering the subject matter, it's very fitting.
So much for the bolded theory above...tjnc09 said:https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2018/10/10/nfl-los-angeles-rams-todd-gurley-sean-mcvay-stats/
It has a lot to do with McVay's system. 11 personnel spreads the field out and Gurley benefits by facing fewer stacked boxes. Per Next Gen Stats, he concluded week 16 with second lowest % against stacked boxes in 2018 behind Tarik Cohen among qualified RBs
Arizona stacked the box against him by far the highest % this season in week 2 at 52.6% and not surprisingly Gurley had his worst running game of the year averaging only 2.2 ypc. That's why I asked why people assume he would perform better than Anderson but nobody around here is interested in that stuff anymore.
Take Gurley out of this system and OL and he's really the guy everyone saw in 2016.
Despite the pain, Gurley felt in the aftermath of the opener, he said that his knee felt better two days later.
Interesting.https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/todd-gurley-is-in-the-right-system-at-the-right-time/
"As a consequence, Gurley has faced more six-man fronts on his carries than any other running back in football since McVay took over as head coach of the Rams. It has paid serious dividends. So far this season, Gurley is crushing it against those fronts, averaging 5.5 yards per carry. But against a neutral seven-man front, he’s been below league average at just 3.7 yards per attempt."
"Gurley is basically the same back he has always been since he came into the league. If you use broken and missed tackles as a proxy for talent,3 you can see that Gurley makes defenders miss when running against six-man fronts far less than expected."
"So Gurley is the beneficiary, not the proximate cause, of the Rams’ offensive resurgence under McVay."
Below league average.
Less than expected.
Beneficiary of McVay.
He's just another overpaid, replaceable RB.
That article was published on 10/19/18. For a more current picture, from Player Profiler:https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/todd-gurley-is-in-the-right-system-at-the-right-time/
"As a consequence, Gurley has faced more six-man fronts on his carries than any other running back in football since McVay took over as head coach of the Rams. It has paid serious dividends. So far this season, Gurley is crushing it against those fronts, averaging 5.5 yards per carry. But against a neutral seven-man front, he’s been below league average at just 3.7 yards per attempt."
CJ Anderson, a RB who has basically been unemployed all year, accumulated over 300 yards of offense in only two games.Stop, just stop. That is absolutely asinine. And I suppose AP isn’t one of the best backs of our generation because he had bad years in Arizona and N.O.
The only thing your numbers prove is exactly how awful Jeff Fisher was and how ineffective he was as a coach that year.
Except in 2016 when he was one of the worst RBs ever for 300+ touches.I do think it is fair to assume that if Gurley played in most other offenses, his performance would suffer, although I expect he would still be a top 10 caliber RB.
So do you view David Johnson the same as Gurley?Except in 2016 when he was one of the worst RBs ever for 300+ touches.
Your argument is undermined by his rookie season, which you conveniently ignore.Except in 2016 when he was one of the worst RBs ever for 300+ touches.
Of course. There were a lot of red flags going into 2018.So do you view David Johnson the same as Gurley?
I'm aware of his rookie season. The proclaimed "best" RB in the league would never have a season that bad imo.Your argument is undermined by his rookie season, which you conveniently ignore.
In 12 starts, he had 223/1097/10 rushing (4.9 ypc) and 20/183/0 receiving (9.2 ypr). That scales to 297/1463/13 rushing and 27/244/0 receiving over 16 games. In terms of fantasy performance, he was RB #3 in weeks 4-16, the weeks he started.
And guess what? That wasn't in McVay's offense.
Again, the truth lies in the middle between your ultra-negative take and the takes of the pro-Gurley posters.
Coach Sean McVay said he would be "very, very surprised" if Todd Gurley (knee) isn't able to return for the playoffs.
The Rams earned a first-round bye, giving Gurley even more time to get ready for the Week 19 Divisional Round matchup. C.J. Anderson filled in more than admirably during Gurley's two-game absence, but this is mostly a one-back offense, and Gurley should return to his normal workload.
Source: Profootballtalk on NBC Sports
Dec 31 - 6:20 PM
This is just a terrible take on Gurley. Awful logictjnc09 said:I'm aware of his rookie season. The proclaimed "best" RB in the league would never have a season that bad imo.
Also speculating he would be "top 10" in any other offense seems like a stretch when in two non-McVay season's he was "top 10" and "complete garbage". His success/failure depends on a number of other things independent of Gurley's personal capabilities. He's a top 10 guy in Pittsburgh, probably not a top 10 guy in Buffalo. Any RB in McVay's system is top 10, easy.
Prove to me why my logic is awful.This is just a terrible take on Gurley. Awful logic
In the games he started as a rookie, his performance was top 3, quite a bit better than top 10.tjnc09 said:I'm aware of his rookie season. The proclaimed "best" RB in the league would never have a season that bad imo.
Also speculating he would be "top 10" in any other offense seems like a stretch when in two non-McVay season's he was "top 10" and "complete garbage". His success/failure depends on a number of other things independent of Gurley's personal capabilities. He's a top 10 guy in Pittsburgh, probably not a top 10 guy in Buffalo. Any RB in McVay's system is top 10, easy.
Gurley has a career avg of 4.4, that is totally solid.
At clearly less than full speed no less7.2 vs a very tough run D. We’ll take that all day!
Gurley is the best running back in the NFL. So fun to watch.7.2 vs a very tough run D. We’ll take that all day!
Yeah I dunno...I think they were playing it safe with their all world RB. I seriously doubt he's suddenly going to enter a time share with CJ. McVay is no dummy.
CJ looked phenomenal though. He also looked as big as Ironhead Heyward.McVay said it was a cardio thing, he wasn't sure Gurley would be game shape to play his usual load. Betting next round we see a lot more of him.
Malcolm Brown is a FA so they got a spot open to back up Gurley but CJ might have shown enough to get a better opportunity somewhere else.Tool said:So they have to bring CJ back next year right? That would have some impact on Gurley’s value I would think?
Didn't they combine for like 35 carries? No way game plan was to give Gurley the bulk of those carries.McVay said it was a cardio thing, he wasn't sure Gurley would be game shape to play his usual load. Betting next round we see a lot more of him.
Evan SilvaVerified account @evansilvaffmail4me said:I think they were playing it safe with their all world RB. I seriously doubt he's suddenly going to enter a time share with CJ. McVay is no dummy.
because he's not an arrogant media hog, so he gets to play the role as the consensus overrated superstarseems like a lot of smart people in the industry think that Gurley is overrated. Why is that?
And there’s easily 5 times the number of smart industry people who don’t. Why is that?Evan SilvaVerified account @evansilva
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Evan Silva Retweeted Next Gen Stats
Todd Gurley looked as good as new after 3-week layoff, yet was still outplayed & deservedly out-touched by CJ Anderson. #Rams #MemberWhenGurleyWasMVP
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Next Gen StatsVerified account @NextGenStats
Todd Gurley didn't seem bothered by his knee injury today. @TG3II averaged 12.08 MPH at the line of scrimmage on his rushes, his fastest in a game this season. He had 6 carries reaching 15+ MPH, a season high. …
5:51 AM - 13 Jan 2019
Seems like a lot of smart people in the industry think that Gurley is overrated. Why is that?
Provide your links if it's that easy. Nobody who uses advanced metrics agrees with you.And there’s easily 5 times the number of smart industry people who don’t. Why is that?
Yeah, easily. He's phenomenal.Gurley the best size/speed combo RB in the game today.
His thing is this....Yeah, easily. He's phenomenal.
still waitingAnd there’s easily 5 times the number of smart industry people who don’t. Why is that?
Are you admitting you can't actually defend Gurley's value with an intelligent discussion? It really shouldn't be this difficult considering what you think of him.Don’t hold your breath. Or, go ahead....
Not in the slightest. I’m just regretting replying to you as this is pointless. You believe what you do and won’t be swayed (as you’ve made it clear, you think you’re smarter then everyone) and I’m perfectly confident in mine.Are you admitting you can't actually defend Gurley's value with an intelligent discussion? It really shouldn't be this difficult considering what you think of him.
lol you were the only who willingly responded to my post from Silva. I then ask you to defend something YOU wrote and now all of a sudden it's a waste of time to respond.Not in the slightest. I’m just regretting replying to you as this is pointless. You believe what you do and won’t be swayed (as you’ve made it clear, you think you’re smarter then everyone) and I’m perfectly confident in mine.