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58 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

Best LT in football...one of the best, if not best WR in football...not sure where you want to rank Aaron Jones (but pretty damn good)...has had a solid Oline...and when D got in trouble, they went out and did things to try and make the D better.

They don't take first round WRs (rarely have they in the last 30 years...Javon Walker)...but that does not mean they never give/gave the guy a chance.

 

Now...don't take that as me defending what this team has done the last year.  There is zero defense of what Murphy/Gute has done since the end of the 2020 season.  Drafting Love was a gigantic mistake.  A self-made error.  How they first handled this offseason was pitiful as well.  But I tire of the "they have not done this and that for him" stuff.  The OL is also things done for the QB...the head coach was brought in as another offensive guy (partly placating the QB who was a large part of the rift with the previous HC).  LaFleurs offense seems to quite good (and yeah, AR is a huge part of that too).

I think we have a mix of bad decisions last year...with a large ego butting heads.

That it has even come to this...Gute should be gone and probably Murphy too.

It's almost like the guy who likes to wear a WWE belt is a bit of a diva or something.

 

A diva I'd take in a minute in MN though.

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Jax Jags have made a phone call in regards to Aaron Rodgers? 

Green Bay could have Lawrence if they want him? I could not pass up on Lawrence or the No 1 overall pick this season for a QB that has maybe 2-3 really really good years left, Rodgers is 37 years old, 40 is not the same for everyone, naive to think he won't see some kind of slowdown over the next couple seasons. 

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2 minutes ago, woodstock said:

It is convenient, though, and sort of perfectly aligns with adjusting your needs for 2021. That said, I think you're generally right. I doubt anything gets done today. 

Well said.

Just now, Hot Sauce Guy said:

But if they have Love, and they have the opportunity to take Fields, Lance, Jones, why wouldn’t they? 

Start whichever is best. Or start Love for a season while coaching up one of the next gen guys (fields/Lance) and the. Trade Love based on the equity built by showcasing him in 2021. Or if Love is amazing, deal the dude they take this year.

I fail to see how that could be a problem for them. They still need a starter & a backup if they deal ARod.

and to your point, most teams take the Chicago route & bring in a retread like Andy Dalton or one of the Huards or some other trash.

It's not a problem in theory but what if the 2 QBs resent each other or what if different players on the team have different opinions about who should start? There has to be a reason teams virtually never spend 1st/2nd round picks on QBs in consecutive years unless (or even n+1) unless they are ready to bail on the first QB due to poor play. 

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1 minute ago, Ministry of Pain said:

Jax Jags have made a phone call in regards to Aaron Rodgers? 

Green Bay could have Lawrence if they want him? I could not pass up on Lawrence or the No 1 overall pick this season for a QB that has maybe 2-3 really really good years left, Rodgers is 37 years old, 40 is not the same for everyone, naive to think he won't see some kind of slowdown over the next couple seasons. 

Wait who reported that? 

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22 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

James Jones was never that good, even with Rodgers. Jordy was a good prospect though. 6'3" 215 with 4.5 speed and absolutely dominant college production. Adams is an even better prospect. He smashed every box but was just slow to develop. I think those guys benefited massively from playing with Rodgers (as almost anyone would) and developing chemistry but Adams and Jordy were also really talented. 

Honest question because I don't recall that long ago, but Adams was such a great prospect he fell to 53 and was the 9th WR drafted that year? (Granted that was considered almost an all-time great WR draft early on although it hasn't aged well lately.)

You can hit on 2nd round WR's especially with an all-world QB, but I still think the criticism about not giving Rodgers much help is valid. GB's never drafted a WR, TE, or RB in the 1st round the entire time he's been there. If we want to go back further on his surrounding offensive cast, Greg Jennings who face planted in Minnesota when he left. The ghost of Donald Driver when Rodgers finally took over from Favre. Touchdown Robber Cobb who has done little in multiple stops around the league now. 

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1 minute ago, Buckna said:

Honest question because I don't recall that long ago, but Adams was such a great prospect he fell to 53 and was the 9th WR drafted that year? (Granted that was considered almost an all-time great WR draft early on although it hasn't aged well lately.) You can hit on 2nd round WR's especially with an all-world QB, but I still think the criticism about not giving Rodgers much help is valid. GB's never drafted a WR, TE, or RB in the 1st round the entire time he's been there. If we want to go back further on his surrounding offensive cast, Greg Jennings who face planted in Minnesota when he left. The ghost of Donald Driver when Rodgers finally took over from Favre. Touchdown Robber Cobb who has done little in multiple stops around the league now. 

IDK why did DK Metcalf fall so far? Why wasn't AJ Brown a 1st round pick? Why did a team take Mike Williams and Jon Ross in the top 10?  Why was Kelvin Benjamin taken over Adams and Allen Robinson that year? I can't explain the crazy picks some of these teams make. Maybe the teams evals said Adams was good but would need to develop which would have been spot on and they felt other plays could deliver right away.  

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Just now, Ministry of Pain said:

Local radio here in Florida, apologies for no link. 

Ok, don't see that on Twitter anywhere. I am really skeptical of that. Rodgers makes no sense for Jax and there is no way he would be happy there. 

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17 minutes ago, woodstock said:

It is convenient, though, and sort of perfectly aligns with adjusting your needs for 2021. That said, I think you're generally right. I doubt anything gets done today. 

There’s also a big milestone on June 1 in terms of the cap hit. If they trade him before 6/1, there’s an immediate cap charge of over $30m.  After June 1 it’s less than half that. 

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Just now, CletiusMaximus said:

There’s also a big milestone on June 1 in terms of the cap hit. If they trade him before 6/1, there’s an immediate cap charge of over $30m.  After June 1 it’s less than half that. 

That settles that, money will trump all of this debate. 

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2 minutes ago, CletiusMaximus said:

There’s also a big milestone on June 1 in terms of the cap hit. If they trade him before 6/1, there’s an immediate cap charge of over $30m.  After June 1 it’s less than half that. 

That settles it for sure then. 

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Just now, Ministry of Pain said:

That settles that, money will trump all of this debate. 

Not just for GB . . . but for other teams. The only teams even close to having enough cap space to take on Rodgers contract would be JAC and NYJ. 

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27 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Multiple 1sts for a 37 year old QB who is complaining he wants off of his team that was 13-3 and a game away from the SB the last 2 years. He is awesome but it's a big gam

Reigning MVP, who was possibly the difference between 13-3 and an 8-8 team. Also no reason Rodgers doesn't have 4 years left.

Stafford got 2 1sts and an ok QB, and he's not in Rodgers league on his best day.  

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2 minutes ago, travdogg said:

Reigning MVP, who was possibly the difference between 13-3 and an 8-8 team. Also no reason Rodgers doesn't have 4 years left.

Stafford got 2 1sts and an ok QB, and he's not in Rodgers league on his best day.  

I get it, he gives them an absolute shot at the SB this year and next. Rodgers certainly could 4 years left but he's also shown that even being MVP going 26-6 and being a game from the SB isn't necessarily enough to make him happy. What is stop him from being unhappy in SF after a season?

Stafford got one 1st and is 3 years younger. The other 1st Detroit got was to take on Goff's contract. 

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21 minutes ago, Ministry of Pain said:

Jax Jags have made a phone call in regards to Aaron Rodgers? 

Green Bay could have Lawrence if they want him? I could not pass up on Lawrence or the No 1 overall pick this season for a QB that has maybe 2-3 really really good years left, Rodgers is 37 years old, 40 is not the same for everyone, naive to think he won't see some kind of slowdown over the next couple seasons. 

As much as I love Aaron Rodgers...if Jax really did reach out and is offering this year's first and anything else of value.  Not sure how you don't take it.  And I love Rodgers and yes if they can make him happy he gives them a great shot the next 3 years at least.  But I am a huge fan of Lawrence's talent and that decade plus of that...3 straight QBs with that much talent.  Hard hard hard to pass up.

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11 minutes ago, CletiusMaximus said:

There’s also a big milestone on June 1 in terms of the cap hit. If they trade him before 6/1, there’s an immediate cap charge of over $30m.  After June 1 it’s less than half that. 

Yeah, but if OvertheCap is right, it's only a net increase of $1.1M to trade him vs keep him. So either take the full hit in 2021 vs spread part of it to 2022? It's not like they'll be signing any big FA's at this point either.

A bigger issue IMO is I think they'd have to fit any draft picks they acquire under the cap too and they are pretty tight against it. Not sure how that really works timing-wise with the wheeling and dealing that often happens during the draft.

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7 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

I get it, he gives them an absolute shot at the SB this year and next. Rodgers certainly could 4 years left but he's also shown that even being MVP going 26-6 and being a game from the SB isn't necessarily enough to make him happy. What is stop him from being unhappy in SF after a season?

Stafford got one 1st and is 3 years younger. The other 1st Detroit got was to take on Goff's contract. 

I don't think SF is the team who makes the move, just don't think they can offer enough.

I think this has nothing to do with record or success. I think it's personal. He could be happy on the Jets, or whomever, even if he is less successful.

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51 minutes ago, CletiusMaximus said:

I guess I would say the team certainly knows what is going on, they are taking it seriously and are considering this among all other information in their draft over the next couple days, as they considered it over the decisions they've made over the past couple months - and still, there's no reason to necessarily trade this player today.

 

I agree with this, but the wildcard is he says, "I am done." and walks off into the sunset with his new wife, his assortment of endorsements and a possible Jeopardy gig and GB gets zilch from it. So do they take a deal tonight and guarantee a return or roll the dice and hope he comes back.  

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1 hour ago, Ministry of Pain said:

Jax Jags have made a phone call in regards to Aaron Rodgers? 

Green Bay could have Lawrence if they want him? I could not pass up on Lawrence or the No 1 overall pick this season for a QB that has maybe 2-3 really really good years left, Rodgers is 37 years old, 40 is not the same for everyone, naive to think he won't see some kind of slowdown over the next couple seasons. 

Laughable.

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4 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

There is no chance the Jags have offered 1.01 for Rodgers.

Per Adam Schefter nobody or no team ever made a formal offer, that doesn't stop them from making phone calls. 

As @Anarchy99 posted after I blurbed the Jax post was that only Jax and NYJ have the actual cap space to even take Rodgers on. I have nothing to do with any of this, I simply overheard my radio since I don't watch the TV much. But the Jax/Jets cap space angle could be why these things are getting funneled. 

I turned on NFLN around 6 and they went to some lady in New Jersey who couldn't wait to yell into a microphone some very important information "It's exciting here in Jetsland today" so I apologize for not having a link but I find it credible that they might have picked up the phone and at least asked if they had any interest in trading Rodgers...I find it absurd San Fran called last night and then leaked it everywhere today but strange things are in the air today/tonight. 

Again, Schefter says nobody has made any formal offer so you're post is right on the money. 

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Jed York isnt stopping

#DraftDay sorry for the hiatus. Found JL & Kyle. Sounds like they’re gonna do #FeatsOfStrength to finalize our plans for tonight. Makes sense after reading how they’ve been at odds..... cuz those guys are NEVER on the same page

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1 minute ago, sho nuff said:

How would it be his whiff?  He just reported what Schlereth is saying.

Oh sorry, I'm not on Twitter.  Then Schlereth's whiff.  Whoever is saying it may just want their twitter blown up, no?

I mean is that 15 million hit not true, or is there a work around that?  I can't imagine Schlereth, Lammey, whomever, not knowing that.  They must.  So the reporting of it and re-reporting of it better have some juice behind it.

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3 minutes ago, Rodrigo Duterte said:

Oh sorry, I'm not on Twitter.  Then Schlereth's whiff.  Whoever is saying it may just want their twitter blown up, no?

I mean is that 15 million hit not true, or is there a work around that?  I can't imagine Schlereth, Lammey, whomever, not knowing that.  They must.  So the reporting of it and re-reporting of it better have some juice behind it.

Well there have been multiple reports of trade offers and other saying there have been no actual offers

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4 hours ago, Ilov80s said:

I get it, he gives them an absolute shot at the SB this year and next. Rodgers certainly could 4 years left but he's also shown that even being MVP going 26-6 and being a game from the SB isn't necessarily enough to make him happy. What is stop him from being unhappy in SF after a season?

Stafford got one 1st and is 3 years younger. The other 1st Detroit got was to take on Goff's contract. 

Clearly he hasn't got along with packers management for a long time. And frankly, they've done a pretty bad job at putting talent around him. I don't blame anyone for wanting a change at their job after over 10 years.

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3 minutes ago, voiceofunreason said:

Clearly he hasn't got along with packers management for a long time. And frankly, they've done a pretty bad job at putting talent around him. I don't blame anyone for wanting a change at their job after over 10 years.

Best LT, Best Center, One of the best WRs, a top RB.  Where is the lack of talent?

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10 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

Best LT, Best Center, One of the best WRs, a top RB.  Where is the lack of talent?

And wr2, wr3, te? And you want to talk about the defense and playing for McCarthy for years? Packers fans are so butt sore having 2 HoF qbs. Enjoy the years of crap coming after. And packers fans whining about Rodgers whining is pretty ironic and funny. Train wreck coming, enjoy.

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6 minutes ago, voiceofunreason said:

And wr2, wr3, te? And you want to talk about the defense and playing for McCarthy for years? Packers fans are so butt sore having 2 HoF qbs. Enjoy the years of crap coming after. And packers fans whining about Rodgers whining is pretty ironic and funny. Train wreck coming, enjoy.

Multiple guys over the years.  Jennings, Jones, Cobb...Davante  was drafter to be a depth and eventual guy.

They have drafted defense for years and years and years.  To say they haven’t put talent on that team is laughable.

It doesn’t absolve them about how they handled this...but they have out talent on this team.

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1 minute ago, sho nuff said:

Multiple guys over the years.  Jennings, Jones, Cobb...Davante  was drafter to be a depth and eventual guy.

They have drafted defense for years and years and years.  To say they haven’t put talent on that team is laughable.

It doesn’t absolve them about how they handled this...but they have out talent on this team.

Defense has been terrible for years and they've had no wr depth for years. But ymmv.

Fact is, they drafted Love and I thought there was no way Rodgers was with the team in 2 years. You knew he would be pissed, and guess what, he is pissed. They chose to move on and grab a qb so that's how it goes. Packers made their bed last year, how they're surprised now is funny. I'm surprised it took this long but didn't we all know this marriage was over last year?

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2 hours ago, voiceofunreason said:

Clearly he hasn't got along with packers management for a long time. And frankly, they've done a pretty bad job at putting talent around him. I don't blame anyone for wanting a change at their job after over 10 years.

Yep. They gave him a coach that was adversarial and then proceeded to draft another QB and largely useless RB instead of improving the obvious weak points in the team. Cost them a trip to the Super Bowl. I'd ask to be traded too.

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Speaking Thursday evening, Packers GM Brian Gutekunst said the team would not trade Aaron Rodgers.  

“No, we’re not going to trade Aaron Rodgers," was Gutekunst's point blank comment. "He's our quarterback, he's our leader. We've been working through this for a little while now. It may take some time … But he gives us the best chance to win and we're going to work toward that end." That is not what Rodgers is leaking, but it sounds like the Packers are prepared to play hard ball. With the draft seeming to foreclose a number of trade destinations — but not all — Rodgers may have to be prepared to sit games if he truly wants to force his way out of Wisconsin. 

SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter 

Apr 30, 2021, 12:43 AM ET

 

 

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9 hours ago, sho nuff said:

Best LT, Best Center, One of the best WRs, a top RB.  Where is the lack of talent?

You can't be serious with this.

The defense allows like 35 points a game (or close to that) PER GAME in all of the playoff losses in Rodgers' career.  There is no QB in history who could consistently win in the playoffs when their defense is getting shredded that regularly.  I think Rodgers is kind of a #### in general, but I get this frustration with the organization.  They were on the verge after the 2019 season (when you lose in the NFCCG, that usually means you maybe need just a bit more help to get you over the top), and what they do? Draft a QB in the 1st round.  The Packers organization has done him dirty. 

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7 hours ago, Desert_Power said:

Yep. They gave him a coach that was adversarial and then proceeded to draft another QB and largely useless RB instead of improving the obvious weak points in the team. Cost them a trip to the Super Bowl. I'd ask to be traded too.

Lafleur is adversarial?

Losing Bahktiari cost them a trip to the SB...the offense squandering 2nd half opportunities cost them a trip to the SB.

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10 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said:

You can't be serious with this.

The defense allows like 35 points a game (or close to that) PER GAME in all of the playoff losses in Rodgers' career.  There is no QB in history who could consistently win in the playoffs when their defense is getting shredded that regularly.  I think Rodgers is kind of a #### in general, but I get this frustration with the organization.  They were on the verge after the 2019 season (when you lose in the NFCCG, that usually means you maybe need just a bit more help to get you over the top), and what they do? Draft a QB in the 1st round.  The Packers organization has done him dirty. 

I agree the D has given up points...which is why 9 of the last 10 first round picks have been spent trying to make the D better.  And why they spent on the Smiths in FA a couple years ago and paid big money to retain Kenny Clark.  A D that sucked bad in the first half against Tampa but gave the offense the ball back forcing 3 second half turnovers which the offense did diddly squat with it.

But there is no denying GB had a top Oline last year with top guys in Bahktiari and Linsley.  Davante Adams...Aaron Jones...that isn’t a lack of talent.

Yes...Id love more depth at WR...last year’s draft sucks...but the whoa is me for Rodgers is ridiculous.

 

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2 hours ago, Ghost Rider said:

You can't be serious with this.

The defense allows like 35 points a game (or close to that) PER GAME in all of the playoff losses in Rodgers' career.  There is no QB in history who could consistently win in the playoffs when their defense is getting shredded that regularly.  I think Rodgers is kind of a #### in general, but I get this frustration with the organization.  They were on the verge after the 2019 season (when you lose in the NFCCG, that usually means you maybe need just a bit more help to get you over the top), and what they do? Draft a QB in the 1st round.  The Packers organization has done him dirty. 

They lost the NFCCG two years ago because their defense couldn't stop the run, but Rodgers had by far his worst game of the season in that game.  Last year against the Bucs, the Packers win if Rodgers has even an average Rodgers game (for him).  There's no rookie who changes the outcome of either of those games. 

As for doing him "dirty" - they've made him the highest paid player in NFL history twice in the past 10 years, with record-setting deals in 2013 and 2018. The 2018 deal absolutely obliterated the existing records for signing bonus ($57m), total guaranteed money ($100m) and per-year average salary ($34mil). He's a bit of a diva for sure, but he's not dumb. No player should expect the GM to cowtow to him on draft day or run the team to appease him above the interests of the team.

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