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AFC Wildcard Game: Ravens @ Steelers (1 Viewer)
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Khy
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How exactly can that be debunked? All I know is I've seen some pretty mediocre regular season QBs in Flacco and Eli put up record breaking postseason stats in their careers. And I've seen record breaking regular season QBs in Peyton and Romo choke time after time in the postseason. I fully believe that being clutch and choking is a legit thing. Not to mention, it's simple psychology. Some people deal with high pressure situations better than others.
irish eyes
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
What record breaking stats has Eli put up in the postseason? His postseason passer rating is 89.3, which is very good, but not great or record-breaking.
Also, you do realize that tons of regular season games are high pressure ones, right? Maybe if Eli was better in them, he'd make the playoffs more often. Yes, he has two SB wins, but he has zero playoff wins in every other season combined.
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irish eyes
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No I was a Haley hater but I can't discount what this off did. Def lost this game tonight
sporthenry
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Steelers two point conversions have been great under Tomlin, his 2008 playoff especially. Steelers lost by 2 to the Jags at home. Two 4th quarter 2 pt tries, one from the 12 yard line and the other one failing, leading to the Jags kicker hitting a FG with under 3 minutes to left to give Jacksonville the win.
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mr roboto
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This is what I was referring to. Small sample size in football and easily digestible media narratives combine to have these fan beliefs that aren't actually true.
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Jack White
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msudaisy26
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If the league went to younger refs then everyone would complain about these crappy refs needing more experience. They are human and make mistakes, they aren't watching replays, and remember the old saying the hand is quicker than the eye. They have to watch several things all at once, and decide whether to call a penalty and then make sure they follow the rules that change every year. I think they did a fine job today.
Ravens won in PGH. I hate the Ravens but good luck against NE. Can't believe it might be the last game for Ike, Troy, Brett K, and Harrison. Super Bowl 40 will be long gone aside from Ben and Heath. Please beat NE, let Suggs intercept 3 passes between his legs, he's never cheated.
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Uruk-Hai
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You mean........."Suggs faces" don't you?GG Ravens and congrats to the Ravens fans on this board.
I still hate your team and all their smug faces
dickey moe
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DropKick
Footballguy
There is no doubt that "clutch" play or "choking" are real. These are people - not machines, and while some can sustain their level of play, the pressure or spot-light is sure to have an effect on performance.
ETA: Difficulty trying to quantify it doesn't equate to non-existence.
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Ghost Rider
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Okay, but the problem is always the people who want to act like the playoffs are the only big games, as if there is no such thing as a big game in the regular season.
Take Romo for example. Dallas had a bunch of big games down the stretch, and Romo played extremely well in all of them except the Thanksgiving debacle, yet if he loses today, some will inevitably bust out the tired old "he can't play well when it counts" line, as if you can just get to 12-4 without winning a bunch of big games.
Plus, the playoffs are such a small sample size, and when you take into account the many variables in every game that the QB has no control over, it makes it even sillier to judge quarterbacks mainly, or even largely, on their postseason record or success. It's part of the equation, but it's not everything.
Take Romo for example. Dallas had a bunch of big games down the stretch, and Romo played extremely well in all of them except the Thanksgiving debacle, yet if he loses today, some will inevitably bust out the tired old "he can't play well when it counts" line, as if you can just get to 12-4 without winning a bunch of big games.
Plus, the playoffs are such a small sample size, and when you take into account the many variables in every game that the QB has no control over, it makes it even sillier to judge quarterbacks mainly, or even largely, on their postseason record or success. It's part of the equation, but it's not everything.
Bills_Fan11
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If you don't want to believe it's been largely debunked by the Bill Barnwells with all the data we have available in 2015 then you just don't want to believe it, imo. Not only did Eli not win a playoff game in the non-SB years but he was dreadful in the losses. SF muffed punts as NYG's was doing nothing & his D held NE under 20.
There's also the fun "what if Brady had his exact same career in reverse chronological order" game...his clutch narrative would be a lot different. First impressions matter.
Flacco though man, I might grant him exception status if he lights up NE next week, ha. 3 decisive W's and a Lee Evans drop from 4-0 in that stadium would be pretty gross.
There's also the fun "what if Brady had his exact same career in reverse chronological order" game...his clutch narrative would be a lot different. First impressions matter.
Flacco though man, I might grant him exception status if he lights up NE next week, ha. 3 decisive W's and a Lee Evans drop from 4-0 in that stadium would be pretty gross.
mr roboto
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No but it may be an indication that your belief should be challenged. Statistics are the only real way to evaluate sports performance. It's harder in football. Beliefs are formed with a few data points. Then all the future data points are tainted by that belief.
