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The Houston Chronicle's Aaron Wilson reports there are "several" NFL teams that remain "extremely interested" in trading for Deshaun Watson. 

Wilson cited a league source who said teams "are actively monitoring the sexual assault civil lawsuit allegations filed against" Watson in recent days. Watson now faces seven lawsuits from women alleging sexual misconduct during massage sessions. Apparently that hasn't changed teams' calculus in pursuing a trade for Watson, who wants out of Houston. 

SOURCE: Aaron Wilson on Twitter 

Mar 19, 2021, 12:44 PM ET

 

 

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And now you see why women are hesitant to come forward, you have 13 of them saying the same thing and still there is a not insignificant amount of people who assume they are just trying to hustle a bu

I find it humorous that some people think it's just an easy thing for a woman to lie about something like this about a high profile person, let alone finding 15+.  Like they just decide they're lookin

Any word on Bill Cosby?

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If this is the case Houston really needs to take one of these offers right now.  It was stupid to hold on to him before these allegations.  

Dynasty teams in my leagues are selling low and he hasn't refused to play for them 🤣

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58 minutes ago, ffmail4me said:

And there are literally MILLIONS of horrible people who would actually lie and ruin a man's reputation for financial gain. Color me not shocked that 7 or 9 or even 79 women would sign up for this kind of payday. Sad world we live in. :(

Don't the texts change this a lot though?

The texts seem to make it impossible that this would just be some random women who don't even know Watson coming out to pile in to a lawsuit.  They seem to verify that not only were at least some of these women involved with Watson, but also verify Watson admitting to the circumstances that the women said the assault took place in (namely a massage where Watson acted inappropriately). 

We now know that at least 1 of the women, and soon to be more if the lawyer does have more similar texts as he claims he does, was hired to massage Watson where Watson did something that made the woman feel uncomfortable.  That seems different than if there were 9 women claiming that happened and we didn't even know if any of those women had ever even massaged him.

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3 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

A gazillionaire with so much to lose hires a private massage therapist. These guys are so dumb. 

An entitled ####### commits multiple sexual assaults, would be another way of stating that.

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11 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Don't the texts change this a lot though?

The texts seem to make it impossible that this would just be some random women who don't even know Watson coming out to pile in to a lawsuit.  They seem to verify that not only were at least some of these women involved with Watson, but also verify Watson admitting to the circumstances that the women said the assault took place in (namely a massage where Watson acted inappropriately). 

We now know that at least 1 of the women, and soon to be more if the lawyer does have more similar texts as he claims he does, was hired to massage Watson where Watson did something that made the woman feel uncomfortable.  That seems different than if there were 9 women claiming that happened and we didn't even know if any of those women had ever even massaged him.

I’d be inclined to think it’s pretty damning in the past, but after hearing doctored audio released to TMZ where Tyreek supposedly admitted to beating his son I’m not really taking anything at face value anymore and will wait to let the courts/investigation figure it out.

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I'm with @Buckna and will remain in the camp that prefers to let the courts play this out. I got thoughts, but I'm not rushing to any judgements one way or the other.

Now I will speculate on football matters. Watson won't ever play for Houston again. You don't pay Tyrod $5M+ to backup Watson when your team is not a contender and you don't see a lot of teams with a QB1 like Watson and $5m+ committed to a backup  trade for Finley to be your #3QB.

 

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41 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Don't the texts change this a lot though?

The texts seem to make it impossible that this would just be some random women who don't even know Watson coming out to pile in to a lawsuit.  They seem to verify that not only were at least some of these women involved with Watson, but also verify Watson admitting to the circumstances that the women said the assault took place in (namely a massage where Watson acted inappropriately). 

We now know that at least 1 of the women, and soon to be more if the lawyer does have more similar texts as he claims he does, was hired to massage Watson where Watson did something that made the woman feel uncomfortable.  That seems different than if there were 9 women claiming that happened and we didn't even know if any of those women had ever even massaged him.

I don't know - the texts we have seen are very circumstantial but I think your point is that they tie Watson directly to the victims.  

It seems like the best case scenario is Watson asks for "weird" stuff in his massages (glutes and groin) that makes masseuses feel uncomfortable and a lawyer with an agenda in addition to the normal motivation found this an excellent angle to pursue a payout while helping Houston win the PR battle.  

Obviously it's best to just let this play out before commenting, but trying to read the situation to make the proper gambles in fantasy seems prudent at the same time.

 

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Lawyer claims to not know the McNairs.

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Lawyer did not provide any further evidence at the press conference (yet) as they claimed they would, and is taking questions.

Up to 22 woman they claim.  Lawyer asking for more to come forward.

No criminal charges filed yet, but say its going to be their next step.  If the goal from the beginning is to stop this from happening again (as they say), wouldn't criminal charges be step one?  They also claimed that they would have made this go away quietly if Watson had paid up?  That doesn't sound like your motivation is stopping it from happening again?  Maybe just playing the PR game but that smells fishy.  Why not let the police conduct an investigation and use the results to help prove your civil case?  Maybe this is normal, I don't know.

 

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Evidently he is going to submit a package to local police department. Seems like this could become criminal if the evidence is supporting these claims. 22 women now. Wow, this is getting bigger each passing day. 

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The report that teams are still interested in trading for Watson reeks of a leak by a desperate Houston team....what team would trade one 1st rd pick ;let alone multiple for a guy in the middle of this storm.  He could easily be suspended or worse....I dont buy it....I think Houston is kicking itself for waiting on this and is desperate to get a market going again....

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The report that teams are still interested in trading for Watson reeks of a leak by a desperate Houston team....what team would trade one 1st rd pick ;let alone multiple for a guy in the middle of this storm.  He could easily be suspended or worse....I dont buy it....I think Houston is kicking itself for waiting on this and is desperate to get a market going again....

Yeah, if that is true how is he not traded already.

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This whole thing is hilarious.  This is a total hit job by McNair against Watson. 

First of all, I am not condoning this behavior at all, but lets be real...there are many athletes and celebrities who act like this. Watson has seven people alleging this stuff and all of it is 2020.  I work in an area where people are accused of stuff all the time and when it comes down to sorting it out, having seven different witnesses alleging the same thing is very bad.   As a matter of fact, if somebody was going to make something like this up I think it would be really tough to get even two or three people to go along and coordinate stories.  This is seven and it seems like it grows every day! 

This is Texas style justice.  He should have never abused those women and he should have never demanded a trade this early into his megadeal.

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5 minutes ago, Meatwad Reloaded said:

This whole thing is hilarious.  This is a total hit job by McNair against Watson. 

First of all, I am not condoning this behavior at all, but lets be real...there are many athletes and celebrities who act like this. Watson has seven people alleging this stuff and all of it is 2020.  I work in an area where people are accused of stuff all the time and when it comes down to sorting it out, having seven different witnesses alleging the same thing is very bad.   As a matter of fact, if somebody was going to make something like this up I think it would be really tough to get even two or three people to go along and coordinate stories.  This is seven and it seems like it grows every day! 

This is Texas style justice.  He should have never abused those women and he should have never demanded a trade this early into his megadeal.

or, and hear me out, he hit up many massage therapists for happy endings against their will after exposing himself to them.  this is also known as sexual assault.

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I am with you on that.  I think there are lots of guys out there who behave like this and it gets swept under the rug because of team security, etc.  I believe his demands of the Texans organization led to them organizing this.  They had to have known about it.  

In any event, this is now a few steps worse than Ray Rice.  He is pretty much done with playing football.

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21 minutes ago, Kiddnets said:

The report that teams are still interested in trading for Watson reeks of a leak by a desperate Houston team....what team would trade one 1st rd pick ;let alone multiple for a guy in the middle of this storm.  He could easily be suspended or worse....I dont buy it....I think Houston is kicking itself for waiting on this and is desperate to get a market going again....

Right, like a bunch of NFL teams decided today to leak to media that, why yes, we're TOTALLY still interested. 

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2 minutes ago, Meatwad Reloaded said:

I am with you on that.  I think there are lots of guys out there who behave like this and it gets swept under the rug because of team security, etc.  I believe his demands of the Texans organization led to them organizing this.  They had to have known about it.  

In any event, this is now a few steps worse than Ray Rice.  He is pretty much done with playing football.

the alleged ties between the lawyer and the team have already been debunked.  according to the lawyer for the women, he did it again after his agent advised him that there were allegations being made.  he's sick.

I don't think the Texans are coordinating all this.  That is a conspiracy theory.  But, i have no doubt we are going to find out.  sure looks like he is a serial sexual assaulter though.

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19 minutes ago, Meatwad Reloaded said:

This whole thing is hilarious.  This is a total hit job by McNair against Watson. 

First of all, I am not condoning this behavior at all, but lets be real...there are many athletes and celebrities who act like this. Watson has seven people alleging this stuff and all of it is 2020.  I work in an area where people are accused of stuff all the time and when it comes down to sorting it out, having seven different witnesses alleging the same thing is very bad.   As a matter of fact, if somebody was going to make something like this up I think it would be really tough to get even two or three people to go along and coordinate stories.  This is seven and it seems like it grows every day! 

This is Texas style justice.  He should have never abused those women and he should have never demanded a trade this early into his megadeal.

what? How? a hit piece for what; to diminish any trade value Watson has?

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Think I’m having trouble understanding the logic of McNair being behind this. That would diminish his trade value to other teams.

That said, at this point we have seven women represented by one lawyer. LE is not involved. That may change.

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19 minutes ago, Meatwad Reloaded said:

He is pretty much done with playing football.

Looks like there's a very real chance this is the case at this point at least. 

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22? Good grief. I thought Tyreek would never play again and was proven wrong. It's truly incredible how quickly society moves on from one story to the next, and the next story is usually more heinous than the previous one so we all just move on. 

But man. How can a team have this guy as the face of their franchise now? Times have changed since Roethlisberger. 

 

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3 hours ago, tangfoot said:

An entitled ####### commits multiple sexual assaults, would be another way of stating that.

He isn't accused of assault is he?  Misconduct - not a good thing but WORLDS difference?

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3 minutes ago, matuski said:

He isn't accused of assault is he?  Misconduct - not a good thing but WORLDS difference?

rubbing your erect soldier on someone's hand is sexual assault.

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6 hours ago, ffmail4me said:

All of it seems nuts...and again, even if he did do it (and NOTHING about his character and past would indicate this is who he is) IF he did do it, why wouldn't he have quickly and quietly paid them to hush? He's not stupid. Something just seems wrong here.... 

There are now like accusations from 12 different women with no connections to each other.  And it looks like a lot of them are legit operations who've been in business for a long time.

Everyone deserves their day when accused, but the odds are tipping pretty hard against him at this point IMO.

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4 hours ago, ffmail4me said:

And there are literally MILLIONS of horrible people who would actually lie and ruin a man's reputation for financial gain. Color me not shocked that 7 or 9 or even 79 women would sign up for this kind of payday. Sad world we live in. :(

Ugh. Jesus Christ. 

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@houstonpolice 12m

At this time, HPD is unaware of any contact between HPD and Houston attorney Tony Buzbee regarding the allegations contained in his recently filed lawsuits and no incident reports regarding these allegations have been filed in our jurisdiction.

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1 minute ago, Soulfly3 said:

@houstonpolice 12m

At this time, HPD is unaware of any contact between HPD and Houston attorney Tony Buzbee regarding the allegations contained in his recently filed lawsuits and no incident reports regarding these allegations have been filed in our jurisdiction.

This is a legit verified account.

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49 minutes ago, ffmail4me said:

The more that comes out I agree...it doesn't look good. Still, after Hill, I wouldn't fire sale yet...interested to see if he or attorney says anything now. 

But they have 20 some complaints now? These aren't random people unless the lawyer is ######. They had to have given him a massage, there has to be records to prove at least that. Who even has massages with 22 different people? Looks pretty bad for him.

Not sure what this means for his future. Maybe a suspension for 8 games to a year? No way is his career over. It's gross for sure but people do way worse every day.

PS-I do think the idea that someone complained to the Texans and they hooked them up with the lawyer has some legs. Seems like there was some real bad blood and clearly the Texans ownership/management has some serious problems. Glad I quit cheering for Houston when the Oilers left. Doesn't get much uglier than this right now.

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50 minutes ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

There are now like accusations from 12 different women with no connections to each other.  And it looks like a lot of them are legit operations who've been in business for a long time.

Everyone deserves their day when accused, but the odds are tipping pretty hard against him at this point IMO.

This is really messed up either way it goes. 

This lawyer seems really fishy with his "I was lying earlier but now I'm telling the truth" vibe.  More reputable representation would make this look even worse than it already does for Watson. 

Just gotta wait for it to play out and we can never know before then I guess, but our dynasty decisions are due now I guess. 

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7 minutes ago, voiceofunreason said:

But they have 20 some complaints now? These aren't random people unless the lawyer is ######. They had to have given him a massage, there has to be records to prove at least that. Who even has massages with 22 different people? Looks pretty bad for him.

Not sure what this means for his future. Maybe a suspension for 8 games to a year? No way is his career over. It's gross for sure but people do way worse every day.

PS-I do think the idea that someone complained to the Texans and they hooked them up with the lawyer has some legs. Seems like there was some real bad blood and clearly the Texans ownership/management has some serious problems. Glad I quit cheering for Houston when the Oilers left. Doesn't get much uglier than this right now.

It's so weird.  If you want something like deep glute or groin massages and know it might make masseuses feel weird wouldn't you stick to the same one who knows how to attack your knots? 

Lots of questions everywhere.  

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At this time, HPD is unaware of any contact between HPD and Houston attorney Tony Buzbee regarding the allegations contained in his recently filed lawsuits and no incident reports regarding these allegations have been filed in our jurisdiction.

 

 

https://twitter.com/houstonpolice/status/1373043588431548416?s=20

 

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4 hours ago, Soulfly3 said:

The lawyer has been FLAT OUT LYING. Seems like a lot of talk for very little.

I don’t see why he would be lying, he’s already rich, famous, has given over $20 million to charity.  I think his net worth is over $700 million.  He seems more than just a sleezy lawyer that some are calling him.   But if he is lying like you say he is, I will be surprised.

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I’ve been holding back judgement until more news comes out (and to a large degree still am)...but it is super sus that all this comes out right as Watson demands a trade from a team that doesn’t want to deal him.

it’s an ugly situation either way, but it seems to be A. He did this stuff, and it’s weird timing that it allllll happened to come out right now, or B. He’s innocent & this is a weird shake-down / attempt to ruin him as he demands a trade.

Again; not judging until the whole picture comes out, but something shady is going on. Eager to learn how it develops / resolves. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Kevrunner said:

I don’t see why he would be lying, he’s already rich, famous, has given over $20 million to charity.  I think his net worth is over $700 million.  He seems more than just a sleezy lawyer that some are calling him.   But if he is lying like you say he is, I will be surprised.

I’d read the attorney is a neighbor of the team owner? That would add some shadiness if true. 

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