SaintsInDome2006
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I mean it's hilarious. Collins has ZERO red zone touches or even targets all season. This guy had 20 TDs in his final season at Arkansas.
Agree with this...like I said, would like to see some tangible fantasy production so we can start to figure out what we have with him because the clock is starting to tick as far as 2017 is concerned...Absolutely if he is able to have a good game against the Vikings it would prove how good he is.
However the Vikings defense is playing the run very good and just very good defense overall, so I really don't see that happening. The Vikings defensive line is too good and the Ravens offensive line isn't. The Vikings defense matches up really good against the Ravens receivers as well so they are not going to put extra attention there. Watson, Wallace Maclin and Collins are the Ravens biggest threats in my opinion but they do not seem good enough to overcome the way the Vikings match up against them.
I think its possible that the Ravens defense forces turnovers and presents some short fields, so a TD could be more likely than 100 yard game.
I do think Collins is capable of putting up those numbers at some point if given the opportunity, but unlikely it is going to happen this Sunday.
Look at what Aaron Jones and Montgomery did in most recent game against the Vikings. It would be very impressive if Collins could do better than this against them, I just dont consider that to be very likely.
I think its a trust thing---no HC (especially one as conservative as Harbaugh) wants to finally get into the RZ only to have a rookie fumble it away when there are 3-7 points there for the taking.I mean it's hilarious. Collins has ZERO red zone touches or even targets all season. This guy had 20 TDs in his final season at Arkansas.
The rest of it stands, I think. Young guy who hasn't earned trust yet from the coaching staff, despite the flashes he's shown.Collins isn't a rookie.
well he needs to stop fumbling. If I was a HC I would be a bit hesitant to give him the ball in the RZ from what I have seen. However, when the game is out of hand and you are going to lose anyway, give him the damn ball cos its your only chance. No difference losing by 1 point or 30.I mean it's hilarious. Collins has ZERO red zone touches or even targets all season. This guy had 20 TDs in his final season at Arkansas.
I fear it’s gonna take a Buck Allen injury for anyone to be able to trust Collins as a FFB starter.I mean it's hilarious. Collins has ZERO red zone touches or even targets all season. This guy had 20 TDs in his final season at Arkansas.
I have officially seen it all.
I think I’d start collins over them. Hyde is healthy. And doesn’t Powell also have forte and Elija Wood to share with?I may actually start Collins this week for the first time. Other options would be Powell or Breida. Leaning Powell.
Just facilitated two more trades that should allow me to add Smallwood if they are approved before kickoff.One other advantage Smallwood has over Collins: with Smallwood you’re not risking a 0 or negative point game if he goes out and puts one on the carpet. Collins could get 1 carry for 2 yards, cough it up and get benched for a -1.8 point game.
Smallwood has earned benefit of the doubt. If he fumbles his next reception will make up for it. And he is THE receiving back, so there’s zero chance of a fumble-related benching.
Food for thought....
I don't see this as realistic. this isn't Bellichick. Collins has fumbled the ball and has never scored negative fantasy points... in fact if he had 1 or 2 tds we would he talking about him as a weekly flex option tbh...One other advantage Smallwood has over Collins: with Smallwood you’re not risking a 0 or negative point game if he goes out and puts one on the carpet. Collins could get 1 carry for 2 yards, cough it up and get benched for a -1.8 point game.
Smallwood has earned benefit of the doubt. If he fumbles his next reception will make up for it. And he is THE receiving back, so there’s zero chance of a fumble-related benching.
Food for thought....
I said it’s possible, not likely. Any time you have a runner in jeopardy of losing a job due to fumbles, the possibility remains that they lose one and get benched. I’ve had it happen - it sucked. Ingram last year in a game I lost by <4 points.I don't see this as realistic. this isn't Bellichick. Collins has fumbled the ball and has never scored negative fantasy points... in fact if he had 1 or 2 tds we would he talking about him as a weekly flex option tbh...
Sorry about that. My bad.Not Collins please. I would like to see what he can do when he is not owned by you.
I'll probably hold through TNF before dropping him in the Yahoo leagues I own him in.I dunno fellas. I may need to get off this train. Didn’t se the game at all. Any insight?
That’s not a bad idea. Miami just lost cutler for a wile so they definitely won’t be able to move the ball that well. Close game most likely......I'll probably hold through TNF before dropping him in the Yahoo leagues I own him in.
Miami will move the ball better WITHOUT Cutler.That’s not a bad idea. Miami just lost cutler for a wile so they definitely won’t be able to move the ball that well. Close game most likely......
I can’t quit you
Possibly. I don’t think Matt Moore is much of an upgrade.Miami will move the ball better WITHOUT Cutler.
Collins actually had a couple good runs where he showed decent power and running behind his pads.I dunno fellas. I may need to get off this train. Didn’t se the game at all. Any insight?
I agree. Moore isn't worse than Cutler or Tannehill. Moore throws a pretty good deep ball that makes Stills more of a threat. The main problem with Moore is the interceptions, otherwise he is a pretty decent QB.Miami will move the ball better WITHOUT Cutler.
Update: The Ravens ran the ball ~56% of the time over those first 3 games. In the 4 games since, they've only run it ~39% of the time.I would caution against reading too much into this. The Ravens have had a very positive game flow for running the ball so far- they jumped ahead early against bad teams the 1st two weeks and got throttled early last week, plus they were likely easing Flacco back into things after his injury. They were dead last in the NFL in run % last year, so while I know they want to be more committed to running the ball, I'd expect them to be more middle of the pack going forward. The O-line is pretty dreadful as well.West needs to get out the way. Baltimore leads the league in rushes (99) and run ratio (~56%). The value would be terrific if it weren't a 3-way committee.
If I keep Collins, I will need many pints!Cut him for Dion Lewis in two leagues. Hope to god I don't have to roll Lewis out there but I see no pint in keeping Collins with the state of the Ravens.
This is the most compelling argument for keeping this guy on my rosterIf I keep Collins, I will need many pints!
You were right, the volume dissipated.Update: The Ravens ran the ball ~56% of the time over those first 3 games. In the 4 games since, they've only run it ~39% of the time.
Can we PLEASE be serious about this in the thread?If I keep Collins, I will need many pints!
Dropping him to cover byes, honestly.Curious,
At this stage of the game, who would people be dropping Collins for?
I have a very short bench 12 team league. The top RBs are Ellington, Richard, Riddick, Forte, Benard and Vereen. I don't see any of those with more upside than Collins. So really, I'd be dropping Collins jus tbecause I'm tired of watching his stats every week. Even though we knew this was a tough matchup and expectations should have been tempered. His ceiling is still quite high.
I know short bench leagues are rare, so I can only imagine the WW is even more bare in many of your leagues. So are you all really dropping him for Tolbert? D. Washington? Quiz Rodgers?
Yes, I can see this scenario. I would likely do the same.Dropping him to cover byes, honestly.
I'm in a unique situation where I'm already carrying two tight ends (something I rarely endorse), Engram and Olsen. With Engram on bye this upcoming week, and with how hot he is in general, I'm attempting to move Olsen for pennies on the dollar just so I don't have to pick up a third tight end. If not, then I'm going to go into Week 8 with 3 tight ends on my roster. With how ravaged the TE position has been this year, I don't want to flat out drop him and give one of my league mates the potential of a healthy Olsen in their starting line-ups come playoffs, without getting something in return.
I also own the Jacksonville D, and plan on carrying them through the bye (another big no-no for me, generally) because their ROS schedule is really sweet, and the waiver wire is totally bare, so that'll mean two defenses on my roster during JAX bye week this weekend.
I figure I can drop Collins this week, and the likelihood of him getting picked up before the weekend (based on his performance so far) is basically nil. I'm literally the only owner in my league that has added/dropped him this season (multiple times, honestly), and no one else has shown any interest. I'm rolling the dice that I can get through this weekend without an explosion, and then I can pick him up to sit back on the end of my bench as my end of season lottery ticket.
He doesn't catch the ball.Based on my league settings, I don't think a significant fantasy situation is going to materialize for Collins this year. Players putting up 5-10 fantasy points a week aren't really in short supply. I'm moving on to more speculative adds...
Maybe Ellington. The situation in AZ is much different than it was a few days ago when ADP was rushing for 100 yards/TD and Palmer was the QB. Now, AZ may be playing from behind a lot and looking for a RB like Ellington to be that outlet receiving RB. Just throwing it out there.Curious,
At this stage of the game, who would people be dropping Collins for?
I have a very short bench 12 team league. The top RBs are Ellington, Richard, Riddick, Forte, Benard and Vereen. I don't see any of those with more upside than Collins. So really, I'd be dropping Collins jus tbecause I'm tired of watching his stats every week. Even though we knew this was a tough matchup and expectations should have been tempered. His ceiling is still quite high.
I know short bench leagues are rare, so I can only imagine the WW is even more bare in many of your leagues. So are you all really dropping him for Tolbert? D. Washington? Quiz Rodgers?