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Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (6 Viewers)
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foxco
Footballguy
Is there any concern about the offense AJ plays in? He doesn't see a ton of targets for a top 5 guy. That could change with Davis/Smith gone I guess.
I have him behind these guys right now:
Adams/Jefferson/Hill/Hopkins/Ridley/Metcalf/Diggs
I also like Lamb over him personally, though very close.
Spike
Footballguy
I was thinking he could have problems from the perspective that Davis and Smith are gone...along with Arthur Smith. Just doesn't seem to be much for a defense to have to take away from the receiving perspective other than Brown. I would think that might make 2021 a less productive year as opposed to more productive.
FWIW - I'm a big AJ Brown fan.
RC94
Footballguy
TEN signed Reynolds, who is underrated IMO, and I expect them to add more pass catchers in the draft so I don't think losing Davis and Smith will make much of a difference. Changing the OC is the bigger concern, but Brown's talent transcends that, especially since they still have mostly the same coaching staff otherwise.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
Jacobs' value has been solely based on volume. Now that Drake is in town, his volume as well as his value drop like a rock. Low end rb1 to rb2/rb3. I'm not touching him right now.
Helaire-ious
Footballguy
I'm not taking the deal, but maybe this would help other CMC owners. I was offered Fant, JT & Thielen in dynasty PPR (Start 1 QB) for my CMC & Aiyuk. That is essntially JT & Fant for CMC, I think he is worth more
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I think you are right on CMC's value but man you need to appreciate what you got in Aiyuk more then you seem to, his value blows away Thielen.
Helaire-ious
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
He's saying that the way you broke it down, with JT & Fant = CMC, leaves Aiyuk = Thielen.
Aiyuk is worth much more than Thielen.
Helaire-ious
Footballguy
What I meant what that is essentially the trade to me & not enough hence me turning it down. So clearly I value Aiyuk lol
frae
Footballguy
Jacobs played about 60% of the snaps per game and had about 60% of the carries. It is fair to say that Drake probably eliminates any hope of Jacobs getting more catches but the rushing volume narrative is overblown. He will get 60% again in 21.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Henry is obviously one of the best RBs, even for fantasy in 2021, but he is 27 and in dynasty leagues that matters. If you're a rebuilding team, or a middle of the league team, you don't trade for Henry. So, that leaves you with contending teams only. Even those teams won't give up the farm because they are top teams for a reason, but you can get late 1sts and future 1sts for Henry and / or some young WR talent. I don't see contending teams trading young RB guys like Dobbins and Akers, because if they are an aging team otherwise, they don't want to lose those assets. They know the floor could cave in at any time, but not likely in 2021.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
Check out the trades thread - @frae just moved Henry + Deebo Samuel + Mo Allie Cox for 1.02. With aging players coming off great years it is difficult to get high value but he probably did that here if you are looking to get off that wagon before the wheels fall off.
Blick
Footballguy
For a contending team, like mine, I think I'd rather just ride into the sunset with him.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
Certainly a depth dependent trade for a contender. Just draft 3 RB's and hope you hit, then makes moving him mid season sting less.
I pushed in my chips to go all-in this season. Traded Dobbins and my future 1st (16-team league) for Henry.
I've been slowly divesting of Dobbins across my leagues, resigning Edwards and the play style of Lamar Jackson just makes me think he's going to be jock blocked for at least two seasons.
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kutta
Footballguy
If you're contending, why are you looking to move Henry. I am also contending and Henry is a big part of the reason why. I still think he has a few good years left.
Henry just turned 27 a few months ago. Cook, Zeke, and Kamara are all turning 26 soon. So he's got 1.5 years on all those guys basically. And I think his game will age better than those guys because he doesn't rely as much on quickness - more on power and some speed.
I guess my point is that people act like Henry is washed up when, IMO, he's still got a few good seasons left. Ride into the sunset.
rockaction
Footballguy
I love Dobbins, but I've come to the conclusion that you're correct. Mike Clay still projects him for over one thousand yards and double digit TDs next year (which sounds impressive, but falls a bit short of studly) so one guy sees at least some of the brightness of a silver lining rather than the muddled and grey world that we're seeing.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Swapping a 27 yo Henry on a Titans offense that may go the wrong way for a 22 yo Cam Akers on a Rams offense trending the other way is an appealing thought.
kutta
Footballguy
Well I could get behind that for sure. I'm not sure the Akers owner would do that though. I own both, and I value Akers over Henry right now.
MAC_32
Footballguy
No more than a mid 2nd. Hard to envision him getting a long term deal where he's assured starting RB duties anymore, despite being relatively young.
kutta
Footballguy
It's close enough to call it "user preference." I agree they are pretty equal, but most people favor youth.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
In FFPC startups over the last month plus, Akers is going RB6 at 1.06 and Henry at RB9 at 1.12. Akers hasn't gone later than 2.01 and Henry has gone as late as 3.08.
That's 12 startups FWIW.
In FFPC SF it is RB6 vs RB11 in favor of Akers. 12 more startups there. They're close but Akers is definitely going earlier in FFPC.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Tau837
Footballguy
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Saw a trade of 2021 1st+Tannehill for 2021 2nd+Henry. Seemed really light. Team getting Henry was 5-8 but should be a playoff team if its RB stay healthy.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Late last year I traded Henry for Taylor and JuJu, right before Taylor went on his tear. I was lucky. I then moved JuJu and my 1.10 for the 1.5 pick. So moving Henry paid big dividends for my team that wasn't a legit contender last year. Now I'm in that ball park
MAC_32
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
This is where I ended up, but I doubt the Lenny owner would be receptive to such an offer and I don't blame them.
Just moved Henry for 2021 1.04 and 1.08 (1QB, PPR). I have the 1.12 also.
I feel like that's about as good as it gets for him right now. The other guys in my league either weren't interested at all or were total lowballing. Maybe you could get more at the beginning of the season if you catch a contender in need. I won last season with him leading the way and I'm a contender this year but my team is getting a bit older so I like the option to get younger with multiple picks in a good class. That said, I may have just sold one of my best players when my team had one more shot at a title before needing to rebuild.
I agree with people in this thread who think he has 2 more years of mid-RB1 in him; he's a stud with a ridiculous health regimen and work ethic... if anyone can beat the averages when it comes to age/carries he can.
Blick
Footballguy
Even though I agree that he has a couple good years left, I rather get younger if I can. I think you did very well here.
kutta
Footballguy
I drafted Henry and he’s still on my team and I’m a big fan and I’m a contender. But I would also accept that offer.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
az_prof
Footballguy
My feeling is that if you have a chance to contend you don't trade away a key piece.
That being said, 1.04 and 1.08 is decent value depending on how deep this draft is. I don't know that yet.
Zyphros
Footballguy
Someone help me out. Why on earth would Irv Smith be valued more than Evan Engram other than an age narrative? I'm not totally missing something here am I?
Woke up today with an Irv Smith for my Engram and 1.12 offer and even though it's TE prem, I can't imagine a scenario that would even put the 2 in the same stratosphere in terms of value.
Woke up today with an Irv Smith for my Engram and 1.12 offer and even though it's TE prem, I can't imagine a scenario that would even put the 2 in the same stratosphere in terms of value.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Well, I can’t defend that offer. That said, Smith doesn’t have Kyle rudolph siphoning targets/red zone looks, and is probably trending up, while engram is going to have more competition for targets with golladay and a healthy Barkley, so I don’t think they’re thaaaaat far off.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
They're both about the same - mediocre.
For some reason people seem to think the Vikings use their TEs on a worthwhile basis. So now that Rudolph is out of town, Smith is a hot prospect.
Don't buy it. Keep your pick.
Zyphros
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Zyphros
Footballguy
I absolutely wasn't selling, and I was rather insulted by the offer. Engram is a prime buy low, Irv is a clear sell high to me. Obviously my "trade partner" doesn't know that, but still. I couldn't imagine people thinking Irv is that high.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I would rather have Irv Smith over Engram and take the chance he is something.
Engram has been basically average for quite some time. Lotta drops. Bad QB.
Engram has been basically average for quite some time. Lotta drops. Bad QB.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I think Engram is a sell low, but Smith isn't a buy...but the result here is the same.
