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Thanks. Won't go into details since this is the wrong forum, but I'm having a tough time assigning value. Just dominant, looks like high floor for at least upcoming  year, but dangerously close to RB cliff. 

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Tentative rookie RB/WR tiers after diving into clips and stats this weekend:   RB Josh Jacobs, Raiders - No major weaknesses and walks into a starting role. Power, hands, elusiveness, and e

That is interesting. As a Gordon owner here and there, I think I'd have jumped on that offer in any league I have him, without even looking at my own roster or that of the owner sending me the pick.

At first glance I agree, but then when I think about it I almost think the opposite.  If anything it's ridiculous that RBs are so ridiculously overvalued in 1qb leagues.  I love RBs having lots of val

1 hour ago, Fruitbat said:

So.....similar to the Zeke question....

Whats a reasonable value in future picks for Derrick Henry?

Prior to the draft I traded away DH for the 1.04 and 1.08. 

I won it all last year and I'm still a strong contender this year. My roster age is pretty high and while I don't think he's going to fall off a cliff he has to regress from last year and his value is as high now as it ever will be again. I think the value is pretty good, but I'm still not 100% this was the best move for my team. (1QB, 2RB/2WR/2FL/1TE PPR my remaining RB's are: Chubb, Ekeler, Montgomery, and a few RB5's)

That said, I turned around and traded the 1.04 and my 2022 1st (presumably late) for AJ Brown, so in combination it looks like:

Gave: D Henry, 2022 1st (late)

Got: AJ Brown, 2021 1.08

Pretty happy with that.

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what's the latest pricing of D Adams? Anyone see any movement lately or is everyone waiting to see about the Rodgers situation. I'm wondering if I should shop and try to sell at a slight depreciation of value. Looking to start with a guy like Etienne as well as some additional pieces (future 1st, 

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1 hour ago, BigAl21 said:

what's the latest pricing of D Adams? Anyone see any movement lately or is everyone waiting to see about the Rodgers situation. I'm wondering if I should shop and try to sell at a slight depreciation of value. Looking to start with a guy like Etienne as well as some additional pieces (future 1st, 

I haven't seen anything but my guess is he is unmovable. Nobody is going to pay a slight depreciation from what was previously really, really high. You're just not going to get an offer that is good enough. Most likely. 

It really sucks if Rodgers leaves, but I do believe in Adams talent. If they put an NFL quarterback on the field in GB, Adams is going to get heavy targets because he is that good. It won't be what we've wanted or what we've come to expect from his connection with Rodgers. But if week 1/2/3 roll around with whatever garbage the Packers put at QB out there, and Adams puts up 9/134/1, *that* is the time to sell for slight depreciation. If so inclined. 

Doesn't mean you can't shop him, though. If you find something let us know.

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First set of blind bidding last night in our SF TEP devy league, 24 teams, 2 sets of players...

Collins, Nico HOU WR ($35.00)

Rodgers, Amari GBP WR ($32.00)

Mills, Davis HOU QB ($31.00)

Eskridge, D'Wayne SEA WR ($30.00)

Palmer, Josh LAC WR ($30.00)

Stevenson, Rhamondre NEP RB ($20.00)

Eskridge, D'Wayne SEA WR ($16.00)

Palmer, Josh LAC WR ($15.00)

Taylor, Tyrod HOU QB ($15.00)

Atwell, Tutu LAR WR ($15.00)

Gainwell, Kenneth PHI RB ($13.00)

Fitzpatrick, Dez TEN WR ($11.00)

Taylor, Tyrod HOU QB ($11.00)

Tremble, Tommy CAR TE ($10.00)

Mond, Kellen MIN QB ($10.00)

Mills, Davis HOU QB ($8.00)

Jordan, Brevin HOU TE ($5.00)

Atwell, Tutu LAR WR ($5.00)

Tremble, Tommy CAR TE ($5.00)

Trask, Kyle TBB QB ($5.00)

Hawkins, Javian ATL RB ($4.00)

Doyle, Jack IND TE ($2.00)

Reynolds, Josh TEN WR ($2.00)

Gray, Noah KCC TE ($2.00)

Wallace, Tylan BAL WR ($2.00)

Nwangwu, Kene MIN RB ($1.00)

Dissly, Will SEA TE ($1.00)

Schwartz, Anthony CLE WR ($1.00)

Granson, Kylen IND TE ($1.00)

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2 hours ago, InDitkaWeTrust said:

Value check on Mike Davis?  Seems like 2021 he's locked into the lead back role, possibly 2022 if the Falcons go QB and Def like they should in next year's draft. 

I recently paid the 3.07 and a 2022 3rd for him. I think I got somewhat of a steal. If I were a rebuilding team, I’d likely want at worst a mid 2nd for him. 

 

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25 minutes ago, JoeJoe88 said:

I recently paid the 3.07 and a 2022 3rd for him. I think I got somewhat of a steal. If I were a rebuilding team, I’d likely want at worst a mid 2nd for him. 

 

Went in our league for essentially a 2nd/25

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25 minutes ago, JoeJoe88 said:

I recently paid the 3.07 and a 2022 3rd for him. I think I got somewhat of a steal. If I were a rebuilding team, I’d likely want at worst a mid 2nd for him. 

 

Yeah that's pretty darn good for a starting RB. 

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3 hours ago, InDitkaWeTrust said:

Value check on Mike Davis?  Seems like 2021 he's locked into the lead back role, possibly 2022 if the Falcons go QB and Def like they should in next year's draft. 

I personally don't agree he is locked in to anything other then being part of a RBBC.

He got drafted 2.4 in a draft of mine and then some fool gave up his 2022 first for Davis, 3.3 and a 2022 4th.

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In a 2QB dynasty where I've notoriously run very thin at the position (Watson, Tannehill, Mayfield). The rest of my team is damn good, so interested in making a move for a Matt Ryan/Kirk Cousins type to fill the Watson void, but no idea what to offer for an interim player. For those who have picked up an older vet to tide you over, what's been the typical going rate, either from draft capital or existing RB/WR?

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13 hours ago, InDitkaWeTrust said:

Value check on Mike Davis?  Seems like 2021 he's locked into the lead back role, possibly 2022 if the Falcons go QB and Def like they should in next year's draft. 

I'm struggling with this one, trying to talk myself into offering Henderson to the Akers owner for Davis+. Not ready to give up on Henderson yet.

Not sure the Davis owner would accept.

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42 minutes ago, Mister CIA said:

I'm struggling with this one, trying to talk myself into offering Henderson to the Akers owner for Davis+. Not ready to give up on Henderson yet.

Not sure the Davis owner would accept.

Probably not.  I've tried trading Henderson in a few leagues.  No bites.  If I were the Davis owner, I would need you to add.

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1 minute ago, jabarony said:

Probably not.  I've tried trading Henderson in a few leagues.  No bites.  If I were the Davis owner, I would need you to add.

You're probably right, but I'm hanging my hat on all he (Henderson) does is average 4.5 ypc. And he's 23 vs 28.

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1 minute ago, dewaser said:

Price check on Myles Gaskin? Would you move him for an early second/late first, or hold?

I’d need to be pretty desperate at RB not to accept an offer that, although I’m not that high on the players in this draft at that range.

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15 minutes ago, dewaser said:

Price check on Myles Gaskin? Would you move him for an early second/late first, or hold?

I'd think about Gaskin the same way I think about Davis.

If the season started tomorrow and these were the top Rb's on the depth chart how would you value them? Whatever that value is if you can get it now I'd take it because I think this can only go one direction between now and then. If you can't get what you think they would be worth if you knew for sure they are opening day starters then I'd hold unless you were trading for a specific player you valued more.

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12 team PPR. start 1 QB.  Short roster limits with total of 20 players for season.

Made some small trades:

2022 3rd (late)

for

3.05

 

then

 

3.05, 3.04

for

2.08

 

Want to keep moving up.  

What range would you think I could get in by giving up 2.08 and 2022 2nd (late)?

What if I sent 2.08, 2022 2nd (late), 2022 2nd (mid)?

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2 hours ago, smbkrypt24 said:

12 team PPR. start 1 QB.  Short roster limits with total of 20 players for season.

Made some small trades:

2022 3rd (late)

for

3.05

 

then

 

3.05, 3.04

for

2.08

 

Want to keep moving up.  

What range would you think I could get in by giving up 2.08 and 2022 2nd (late)?

What if I sent 2.08, 2022 2nd (late), 2022 2nd (mid)?

Won’t know until you feel out your league GMs. Get word out you’d be willing to move three 2nds to creep into the late first and see where it potentially gets you.

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On 5/15/2021 at 12:52 PM, dewaser said:

Price check on Myles Gaskin? Would you move him for an early second/late first, or hold?

100% depends on the rest of my depth chart. These are the types of stocks to shop when their value is at this sort of peak, but only if your lineup can absorb the loss. Sometimes going down with the ship is the right move. 

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What would you all give up for either David Montgomery or Clyde Edwards-Helaire?

Do you value them differently?

I am trying to acquire one of them for Mike Evans.  For some reason, I feel more comfortable for an Evans/Helaire swap straight up but feel like I am getting screwed with Evans for Montgomery. 

Anyone own these guys with an opinion.  

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I value Mike Evans substantially more than CEH and Montgomery, but I have also been consistently lower than the market on both of those RB's since day one.

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7 minutes ago, MAC_32 said:

I value Mike Evans substantially more than CEH and Montgomery, but I have also been consistently lower than the market on both of those RB's since day one.

Appreciate the response.  Cam Akers?  I guess, let me rephrase - do you have a good upside RB to get for swapping Evans?  Anyone you would recommend going and getting for Mike Evans?

Mike Evans has been a great player of the years but too many mouths to feed for me and I can't continue the weekly dice roll (like last season).  

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6 minutes ago, TVT 0 N S T A said:

Appreciate the response.  Cam Akers?  I guess, let me rephrase - do you have a good upside RB to get for swapping Evans?  Anyone you would recommend going and getting for Mike Evans?

Mike Evans has been a great player of the years but too many mouths to feed for me and I can't continue the weekly dice roll (like last season).  

As an owner of both Akers and Montgomery you’d have a better chance of getting Montgomery from me than Akers.  Maybe I’m too bought into the hype but I wouldn’t consider moving Akers for Evan’s unless I really needed a Wr and I was getting more back in return.  

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1 hour ago, TVT 0 N S T A said:

What would you all give up for either David Montgomery or Clyde Edwards-Helaire?

Do you value them differently?

I am trying to acquire one of them for Mike Evans.  For some reason, I feel more comfortable for an Evans/Helaire swap straight up but feel like I am getting screwed with Evans for Montgomery. 

Anyone own these guys with an opinion.  

Mike Evans is just not that highly valuable right now in dynasty.  Montgomery is least valued of the RB's you mentioned and if you can get him I'd jump on it.

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13 minutes ago, TVT 0 N S T A said:

Appreciate the response.  Cam Akers?  I guess, let me rephrase - do you have a good upside RB to get for swapping Evans?  Anyone you would recommend going and getting for Mike Evans?

Mike Evans has been a great player of the years but too many mouths to feed for me and I can't continue the weekly dice roll (like last season).  

As high as anyone may be on Cam Akers his current owner is higher on him than them. In order to get a legit starting RB I think you'll need to shoot higher than Evans and if you're not willing to do that then I'd go at least a tier below Evans then shop in the Gaskin/Edmonds/Mike Davis/etc store.

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10 minutes ago, MAC_32 said:

As high as anyone may be on Cam Akers his current owner is higher on him than them. In order to get a legit starting RB I think you'll need to shoot higher than Evans and if you're not willing to do that then I'd go at least a tier below Evans then shop in the Gaskin/Edmonds/Mike Davis/etc store.

I appreciate it.  This might be more about me selling Mike Evans while he has value versus acquiring a "Gaskin/Edmonds type"

I have a lot of nothing - Gibson/CMC are my starters.  Melvin Gordon, Kenyan Drake, Leonard Fournette, Damien Harris, Jeff Wilson are rostered.  Woof. 

I have AJ Brown, Julio, Mike Evans, Diontae Johnson, Allen Robinson, Jeudy, Pittman and Lazard.

I also have 1.1, 1.2 and 1.7 - hoping for Pitts, Harris and Waddle out of that.

The team I am targeting has a lot of young RB's and nothing outside of Stephon Diggs at WR.  I offered Evans for CEH straight up.  Risk/Reward offer and will likely be rejected.  It should get the conversation going though. 

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1 minute ago, TVT 0 N S T A said:

I appreciate it.  This might be more about me selling Mike Evans while he has value versus acquiring a "Gaskin/Edmonds type"

I have a lot of nothing - Gibson/CMC are my starters.  Melvin Gordon, Kenyan Drake, Leonard Fournette, Damien Harris, Jeff Wilson are rostered.  Woof. 

I have AJ Brown, Julio, Mike Evans, Diontae Johnson, Allen Robinson, Jeudy, Pittman and Lazard.

I also have 1.1, 1.2 and 1.7 - hoping for Pitts, Harris and Waddle out of that.

The team I am targeting has a lot of young RB's and nothing outside of Stephon Diggs at WR.  I offered Evans for CEH straight up.  Risk/Reward offer and will likely be rejected.  It should get the conversation going though. 

Without looking, given the current state of RB in our game I'd consider your current group one of the best in your league...especially once you've added Najee to it.

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On 5/14/2021 at 11:21 AM, -jb- said:

In a 2QB dynasty where I've notoriously run very thin at the position (Watson, Tannehill, Mayfield). The rest of my team is damn good, so interested in making a move for a Matt Ryan/Kirk Cousins type to fill the Watson void, but no idea what to offer for an interim player. For those who have picked up an older vet to tide you over, what's been the typical going rate, either from draft capital or existing RB/WR?

Those type (Ryan/Cousins) don't go cheap in 2 QB leagues because they are quite valuable.  They have the upside of being top 5 any given week but generally won't hurt you and be at worst in the top 12-15 for the week.  That is very valuable in 2QB leagues.  They may not have the fun upside of the younger guys but for a championship caliber team they are great.  I think you may have more luck in the next tier down of guys Dalton (if he starts), Fitzpatrick, Ben types.  Either way if your league is like typical 2QB leagues any QB is very expensive.  

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14 minutes ago, MAC_32 said:

Without looking, given the current state of RB in our game I'd consider your current group one of the best in your league...especially once you've added Najee to it.

Yeah I agree, I don't think Evans for a RB is a must. I am on the sell Evans while you can side of this, but I like his RB corps a lot, especially with Najee. I wouldn't sell any of the RBs he mentioned for Evans and most people aren't trying to buy Evans right now, but maybe a young undervalued WR and a future pick? Otherwise I would gladly add something to Evans to close the gap to CEH. I like Montgomery but the gap shouldn't be as much. 

 

32 minutes ago, TVT 0 N S T A said:

I appreciate it.  This might be more about me selling Mike Evans while he has value versus acquiring a "Gaskin/Edmonds type"

  I offered Evans for CEH straight up.  Risk/Reward offer and will likely be rejected.  It should get the conversation going though. 

Yes and that offer is a good place to start. Evans is still enough of a blue chip to put out there. The trick may be if this owner hates CEH because of lofty expectations from last year falling short. 

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Team 1 gives up Elliott, Ezekiel DAL RB; Patrick, Tim DEN WR; Tonyan, Robert GBP TE

Team 2 gives up Barkley, Saquon NYG RB

I am the Barkley owner and turned this down. I do need a TE but don't see Tonyan as enough of an upgrade over Gesicki and Higbee to give up Barkley.  There is some uncertainty due to Barkley's injury but I like the improvement made to the Giant's Oline and his youth and upside are better than Zeke.

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17 minutes ago, az_prof said:

Team 1 gives up Elliott, Ezekiel DAL RB; Patrick, Tim DEN WR; Tonyan, Robert GBP TE

Team 2 gives up Barkley, Saquon NYG RB

I am the Barkley owner and turned this down. I do need a TE but don't see Tonyan as enough of an upgrade over Gesicki and Higbee to give up Barkley.  There is some uncertainty due to Barkley's injury but I like the improvement made to the Giant's Oline and his youth and upside are better than Zeke.

Barkley and Zeke are pretty close in value, but you are right - I just don't value any of the other pieces he threw in to make up the difference. 

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53 minutes ago, TVT 0 N S T A said:

I appreciate it.  This might be more about me selling Mike Evans while he has value versus acquiring a "Gaskin/Edmonds type"

I have a lot of nothing - Gibson/CMC are my starters.  Melvin Gordon, Kenyan Drake, Leonard Fournette, Damien Harris, Jeff Wilson are rostered.  Woof. 

I have AJ Brown, Julio, Mike Evans, Diontae Johnson, Allen Robinson, Jeudy, Pittman and Lazard.

I also have 1.1, 1.2 and 1.7 - hoping for Pitts, Harris and Waddle out of that.

The team I am targeting has a lot of young RB's and nothing outside of Stephon Diggs at WR.  I offered Evans for CEH straight up.  Risk/Reward offer and will likely be rejected.  It should get the conversation going though. 

Looking at that roster, and Rookie ADP, there’s a chance that J Williams makes it to 1.7 (D Smith, Waddle and sometimes Lawrence go ahead of him in some drafts) so you might be able to grab Williams at 1.7 and "lock up" the Broncos backfield this year and beyond fwiw. 

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5 minutes ago, joey said:

Looking at that roster, and Rookie ADP, there’s a chance that J Williams makes it to 1.7 (D Smith, Waddle and sometimes Lawrence go ahead of him in some drafts) so you might be able to grab Williams at 1.7 and "lock up" the Broncos backfield this year and beyond fwiw. 

I don't mind either scenario I have played out in my mind - leaving me with T. Lawrence, J. Waddle or J. Williams.  The only situation I do not like is me getting D. Smith.  I'm just not that high on him - have Waddle closer to Chase than most people, due to his speed and route running in the slot.  RB always seems to go pretty heavy due to positional scarcity.  

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3 hours ago, az_prof said:

Team 1 gives up Elliott, Ezekiel DAL RB; Patrick, Tim DEN WR; Tonyan, Robert GBP TE

Team 2 gives up Barkley, Saquon NYG RB

I am the Barkley owner and turned this down. I do need a TE but don't see Tonyan as enough of an upgrade over Gesicki and Higbee to give up Barkley.  There is some uncertainty due to Barkley's injury but I like the improvement made to the Giant's Oline and his youth and upside are better than Zeke.

As a Barkley owner I don’t think that is particularly close at all. Patrick loses a ton of value with Sutton coming back, Tonyan wasn’t highly valued even before the Rodgers rumors. I think Zeke will bounce back but he is 2 years older, that’s a big difference in RB years.

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6 hours ago, az_prof said:

Team 1 gives up Elliott, Ezekiel DAL RB; Patrick, Tim DEN WR; Tonyan, Robert GBP TE

Team 2 gives up Barkley, Saquon NYG RB

I am the Barkley owner and turned this down. I do need a TE but don't see Tonyan as enough of an upgrade over Gesicki and Higbee to give up Barkley.  There is some uncertainty due to Barkley's injury but I like the improvement made to the Giant's Oline and his youth and upside are better than Zeke.

Wouldn’t even consider this if I had Saquon. 

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2 minutes ago, wlwiles said:

Anyone seen Darrell Henderson traded in any leagues?  Trying to handcuff Akers and wondering if an early 3rd might be enough...

I would think that should be enough but I haven't seen him moved.  I have been trying to go after Mattison to cuff Cook and that guy has been way unreasonable.  Henderson should be harder to get since Akers isn't quite as entrenched as Cook but owners do differ on their views.  

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23 minutes ago, Gally said:

I have been trying to go after Mattison to cuff Cook and that guy has been way unreasonable. 

What was the Mattison owner wanting for Cook? What made his/her offer "way unreasonable"?

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24 minutes ago, Gally said:

  I have been trying to go after Mattison to cuff Cook and that guy has been way unreasonable. 

One league I have Cook I own Pollard and the Elliot owner has Mattison. It's been frustrating the hell out of me for 2 years now he won't make a deal with me and this is FFPC were holding non-starting RBs is hard.

  I even straight cut Mattison on a Dalvin team in another FFPC league late last year just because I'm deep at RB and knew I'd not be able to roster him at cuts. Tried to draft him back but he went 2.10, a few picks before I had a chance.

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1 minute ago, robb said:

What was the Mattison owner wanting for Cook? What made his/her offer "way unreasonable"?

High 2nd rounder in this years draft plus serviceable player.  We have had a few go arounds so some of them are muddled in my mind.  The most recent was he wanted Zaveon Collins and a 2022 4th rounder for Mattison in a full IDP with tackle heavy scoring where stud LB's are very important.  

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1 hour ago, wlwiles said:

Anyone seen Darrell Henderson traded in any leagues?  Trying to handcuff Akers and wondering if an early 3rd might be enough...

I offered the 3.03 and got straight rejected.  Could offer the 2.12 but with that only being 3 spots earlier not sure it'd be received any differently.  

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44 minutes ago, Gally said:

High 2nd rounder in this years draft plus serviceable player.  We have had a few go arounds so some of them are muddled in my mind.  The most recent was he wanted Zaveon Collins and a 2022 4th rounder for Mattison in a full IDP with tackle heavy scoring where stud LB's are very important.  

That's what he wanted? Shoot, that's a heck of a lot. That's a mid-2nd and future 4th.

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2 hours ago, robb said:

What was the Mattison owner wanting for Cook? What made his/her offer "way unreasonable"?

I spoke too soon.  I just completed a trade of Murray (Charger LB) for Mattison.  I didn't think it would be accepted based on what the negotiations were going like but it was accepted.  I am happy with it as I can cover the loss of Murray and my RB depth was fairly low. 

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1 minute ago, Gally said:

I spoke too soon.  I just completed a trade of Murray (Charger LB) for Mattison.  I didn't think it would be accepted based on what the negotiations were going like but it was accepted.  I am happy with it as I can cover the loss of Murray and my RB depth was fairly low. 

Good for you!!

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3 hours ago, wlwiles said:

Anyone seen Darrell Henderson traded in any leagues?  Trying to handcuff Akers and wondering if an early 3rd might be enough...

That should be plenty IMO.  If he rejects then I would move on.  He isn't one of those handcuffs where there's starter potential once he gets out of the starter's shadow and on to a different team.  He's a backup at best in the NFL IMO.

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