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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (15 Viewers)
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Obviously I am judging it from where we are in time and the potential results that are possible from here.
krista4
Footballguy
Don't listen to them. Probably the same ne'er-do-wells that don't use an Oxford comma.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
1. The fbi reports said Flynn didn’t show visible signs of lying, that’s diffferent. 2. Flynn has earned leniency. It cracks me up that people might think a general would just passively agree to a charge when the FBI really didn’t think he did anything and then gave 19 hours of cooperation on the record resulting in pages of redacted detail suggesting underlying crimes. What are they talking and writing about, Christmas recipes maybe?
Amused to Death
Footballguy
He provided "substantial information" relating to the transition team and Russia including communications.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
FYI Sand fresh off watching Catherine Herridge spending 30 seconds on the so called process crime and 90 seconds on the redacted text while flipping black marked pages in Hannity’s screen. Sean’s message? Somehow that it’s over.
Sand
Footballguy
Still at work, as usual.
I genuinely feel sorry for the guy. He got leaned on, hard, and really had no choice but to take the way out he did. I guess it worked - he got off without jail, more than likely.
-fish-
Footballguy
Amused to Death
Footballguy
I'm not sure how hard he got leaned on since the memo mentions how important it was that Flynn started cooperating almost right away. Its not like he endured months of harassment and threats.
honky kong
Footballguy
Yeah, but then he wouldn't have gotten a job in this administration. Tough spot, fella.
Sand
Footballguy
Doesn’t sound like it. Part of the recommendation is due to his willingness and quickness to cooperation. Doesn’t sound like being leaned on hard. He also appears to be cooperating on two other investigations that could not be publicly acknowledged yet. Seems pretty significant.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Zow
Footballguy
Who gives a #### about an Oxford comma?
I’ve seen those English dramas too, they’re cruel.
ren hoek
Footballguy
Not sure what this is supposed to mean. It sounds like you're saying there is some procedural technicality that absolves Mueller and other Bush officials of accountability for post-9/11 abuses. Here's another interpretation:
“No one is above the law. To suggest that the most powerful people in our nation should escape liability when they violate clearly established law defies the most fundamental principle of our legal system,” said Center for Constitutional Rights Senior Staff Attorney Rachel Meeropol. “At a time when racial and religious profiling are put forward as serious policy proposals for dealing with everything from immigration to terrorism, it is more important than ever that the high court affirm that government officials, especially those at the highest levels, can be held accountable when they break the law. We look forward to making that argument before the justices.” -CCR
Henry Ford
Footballguy
The one he paid for by cheating taxes and accepting funds from foreign powers he wasn’t legally allowed to accept?
He could have always not committed crimes in the first place. That would be the route I would go. But by all means feel sorry for him. Lol. Your heart must really be bleeding for Manafort. Another great guy bring squeezed.
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ren hoek
Footballguy
No One
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
No One
Footballguy
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[scooter]
Footballguy
And he includes a copy of the original tweet which STILL has the bad link in it.period no space
timschochet
Footballguy
I’m an anti-Trumper. How do I get a card?
ren hoek
Footballguy
Though the men could only be charged with civil immigration violations, such as overstaying a visa or working without authorization, they were detained in solitary confinement for months and physically abused, suspected only due to their religion and ethnicity. Among other documented abuses, many of the men had their faces smashed into a wall where prison guards had pinned a t-shirt with the image of an American flag and the words, “These colors don’t run.” They were slammed against the t-shirt upon their entrance to prison and told, “Welcome to America.” The shirt was smeared with blood and stayed up on the prison wall for months.
“I was put in a hole like a grave for four months because I’m Muslim,” said Anser Mehmood, a plaintiff in the lawsuit who was held in solitary confinement. “The guards called us camels and kept us from sleeping and praying. Meanwhile I was so worried for my kids who were at home. I was never handcuffed in my whole life before this ordeal. Even after 15 long years I still feel the shame of being cuffed and shackled. I want our day in court to finally come so those responsible for our pain will have to answer for the laws they broke.”
"If there is one guiding principle to our nation it is the rule of law. It protects the unpopular view, it restrains fear‐based responses in times of trouble, and it sanctifies individual liberty regardless of wealth, faith, or color. The Constitution defines the limits of the Defendants’ authority; detaining individuals as if they were terrorists, in the most restrictive conditions of confinement available, simply because these individuals were, or appeared to be, Arab or Muslim exceeds those limits. It might well be that national security concerns motivated the Defendants to take action, but that is of little solace to those who felt the brunt of that decision. The suffering endured by those who were imprisoned merely because they were caught up in the hysteria of the days immediately following 9/11 is not without a remedy."
https://ccrjustice.org/home/press-center/press-releases/supreme-court-review-case-against-ashcroft-and-other-bush-officials
“I was put in a hole like a grave for four months because I’m Muslim,” said Anser Mehmood, a plaintiff in the lawsuit who was held in solitary confinement. “The guards called us camels and kept us from sleeping and praying. Meanwhile I was so worried for my kids who were at home. I was never handcuffed in my whole life before this ordeal. Even after 15 long years I still feel the shame of being cuffed and shackled. I want our day in court to finally come so those responsible for our pain will have to answer for the laws they broke.”
"If there is one guiding principle to our nation it is the rule of law. It protects the unpopular view, it restrains fear‐based responses in times of trouble, and it sanctifies individual liberty regardless of wealth, faith, or color. The Constitution defines the limits of the Defendants’ authority; detaining individuals as if they were terrorists, in the most restrictive conditions of confinement available, simply because these individuals were, or appeared to be, Arab or Muslim exceeds those limits. It might well be that national security concerns motivated the Defendants to take action, but that is of little solace to those who felt the brunt of that decision. The suffering endured by those who were imprisoned merely because they were caught up in the hysteria of the days immediately following 9/11 is not without a remedy."
https://ccrjustice.org/home/press-center/press-releases/supreme-court-review-case-against-ashcroft-and-other-bush-officials
ren hoek
Footballguy
I think the foreign agent he did is certainly illegal and should be. Ultimately all of this came to light because of his discussions with Russia and the admins lying about it though. In my estimation, he was probably genuinely following the orders of Trump in doing so. I don't think he is one of the worst characters in this story of collusion, but he is a pivotal one.
His son on the other hand...
See, I'm anti-two spaces after a period because I'm not some Mississippi dinosaur, but I'm also pro-Oxford comma.
[scooter]
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
ren hoek
Footballguy
The detainees. Apparently Mueller can't be held liable for detainees that were beaten and abused under his direction. Somehow this is "the law".
-fish-
Footballguy
Not in my world. Freaking millennials can single space after periods, misuse the em-dash, and kill the Oxford comma. Not today, sir. Not today.
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-fish-
Footballguy
Are you surprised that you can’t just create a cause of action whenever you want to sue someone?
ren hoek
Footballguy
I'm trying to understand how if I throw hundreds of people into a solitary/torture facility, it's a crime, but when Mueller did it, it wasn't.
Where the Oxford comma is preferred because it prevents confusion:
"This book is dedicated to my parents, Ayn Rand, and God." (Assuming Ayn Rand and God aren't your parents.)
Where the Oxford comma is disfavored because it causes confusion:
"This book is dedicated to my mom, Ayn Rand, and God." (Assuming Ayn Rand isn't your mom.)
Although in pretty much every situation where the Oxford comma causes confusion, the sentence is bad and should be restructured.
"This book is dedicated to my parents, Ayn Rand, and God." (Assuming Ayn Rand and God aren't your parents.)
Where the Oxford comma is disfavored because it causes confusion:
"This book is dedicated to my mom, Ayn Rand, and God." (Assuming Ayn Rand isn't your mom.)
Although in pretty much every situation where the Oxford comma causes confusion, the sentence is bad and should be restructured.
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mrip541
Footballguy
I do a good bit of editing, and one of the first things I do is ctrl-h replace all double spaces with single spaces. If Word finds more than a few double spaces I know I'm in for a bad time.
Dickies
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/989275369843937281?s=21
TRUMP in September 2016: "The mob takes the Fifth. If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?
TRUMP in September 2016: "The mob takes the Fifth. If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?
-fish-
Footballguy
Perhaps try to start by understanding the difference between criminal guilt and civil liability.
Hilts
Footballguy
Yes. I do it twice in case anyone did a triple or quadruple space.
(I do it right after replacing every instance of "utilize" with "use".)
(Also, I use ctrl-f instead of ctrl-h.)
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