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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (14 Viewers)

Snorkelson said:
Anyone else here have these stupid glasses? Am I living in a Batman movie that doesn’t have Michael Keaton or Christian bale? Was he swimming, are those goggles? 
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They look like the glasses I would draw on the local realtor's face that was plastered all over the magnet calendars on my grandma's refrigerator when I was a child.

 
>>NOW: The judge is prohibiting Roger Stone from making any public statements about his case, the investigation, or any participants in the investigation. "Period." He will be allowed to solicit funds for his legal defense, and say he's innocent of the charges, but that's it.

If Stone violates this gag order, the judge says she will revoke his bond and detain him pending trial. Stone is getting a second chance, Jackson says, but this is not baseball — there will be no third chance.<<

Zoe T.

 
Bozeman Bruiser said:
Be careful, do not let the mob dictate was is right and wrong.

It is not required to release anything. The mob will try to convince you than they must release everything. Then they will backtrack and claim releasing everything is a threat to democracy, just as they did with the FISA stuff and OIG reports.

I would prefer they release everything related to the initial scope, Russia/Trump collusion in the 2016 election. Them maybe finally the tinfoil hat wearers will move on with their lives. Schiff, Clapper, and many media outlets are already preparing the blood thirsty crowd they are going to be disappointed.

As for the 90% of the Mueller investigation that had zero to do with Trump/Russia collusion there is no reason to release any of that.

It will be fun watching the haters scream no matter what happens though. And scream they will, guaranteed.

Release too much, threat to democracy. Release too little, Mueller is a Russian puppet.
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How did Mueller become a Russian puppet?

 
Mr. Ham said:
I thought the first strike was when he colluded with Russia to subvert the will of the people and insert a Kremlin puppet maniac into America’s highest position of authority. Or are we pretending that that wild haymaker swing happened in the on deck circle?
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He should have never gotten the first strike. This is what he’s done his entire life. There’s no pretending that he didn’t know it was very wrong to do. He’s a teenage testing his parent’s boundaries, she should have been even harsher.

 
Bozeman Bruiser said:
Then they will backtrack and claim releasing everything is a threat to democracy, just as they did with the FISA stuff and OIG reports.
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I think the first comp is interesting, it’s true the DOJ will be required to redact or withhold classified material from the public, but the second doesn’t make sense, you can find the whole OIG report online.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I think the first comp is interesting, it’s true the DOJ will be required to redact or withhold classified material from the public, but the second doesn’t make sense, you can find the whole OIG report online.
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Sone like the FISA excuse yet still cant admit the most likely reason Trump hasn’t released it all is that it was all legal and it would make him look bad. He wants the narrative and hasn’t them convinced otherwise.

 
Stuff Mueller has had to contend with that most prosecutors don't:

  • White House executive privilege.
  • Lawyer privilege (usually lawyers aren't suspects or witnesses in cases, here there's Cohen, campaign and Trump Org lawyers who are involved in criminal activities).
  • Dangling of pardons.
  • International suspects and witnesses out of reach.
  • Classified information.
All that is stuff that Mueller or Congress can't just easily get or if they do they can't show certain judges, juries, Congressmen, the public, etc.

 
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If Jerome Corsi is told he's going to be indicted, agrees to a plea deal, changes his mind, posts his agreement on twitter, and then ends up with no charges, you have to put him in the criminal hall of fame on the first ballot. Just huge stones with that move.

 
Bozeman Bruiser said:
Be careful, do not let the mob dictate was is right and wrong.

It is not required to release anything. The mob will try to convince you than they must release everything. Then they will backtrack and claim releasing everything is a threat to democracy, just as they did with the FISA stuff and OIG reports.

I would prefer they release everything related to the initial scope, Russia/Trump collusion in the 2016 election. Them maybe finally the tinfoil hat wearers will move on with their lives. Schiff, Clapper, and many media outlets are already preparing the blood thirsty crowd they are going to be disappointed.

As for the 90% of the Mueller investigation that had zero to do with Trump/Russia collusion there is no reason to release any of that.

It will be fun watching the haters scream no matter what happens though. And scream they will, guaranteed.

Release too much, threat to democracy. Release too little, Mueller is a Russian puppet.
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Mueller, Russian Puppet? How did you come to that conclusion?

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Stuff Mueller has had to contend with that most prosecutors don't:

  • White House executive privilege.
  • Lawyer privilege (usually lawyers aren't suspects or witnesses in cases, here there's Cohen, campaign and Trump Org lawyers who are involved in criminal activities).
  • Dangling of pardons.
  • International suspects and witnesses out of reach.
  • Classified information.
All that is stuff that Mueller or Congress can't just easily get or if they do they can't show certain judges, juries, Congressmen, the public, etc.
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Mueller has not had to deal with executive privilege.

As to the obstruction claims - that is the battle royale that lies ahead. Executive privilege is a privilege that the executive branch asserts to keep information from the other two branches.  Mueller's investigation is an executive branch investigation - which congress should have initiated, but did not. 

So, when Congress asks for the report and the underlying evidence to support the report - Trump and Barr will be asserting executive privilege over any testimony/documents from Executive branch staff.  Trump will lose most, but maybe not all of those claims. 

 
Rirruto said:
If Jerome Corsi is told he's going to be indicted, agrees to a plea deal, changes his mind, posts his agreement on twitter, and then ends up with no charges, you have to put him in the criminal hall of fame on the first ballot. Just huge stones with that move.
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That is one seriously unhealthy looking dude.

It would take Drano to unclog his arteries.

 
Sinn Fein said:
Mueller has not had to deal with executive privilege.
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Sorry that was kind of vague, I mean when he tries to provides his findings to Congress, Giuliani has already said he will attempt to assert exec privilege in any reporting to Congress. That won’t be Mueller’s burden but it will be an obstacle in getting his case out.

 
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Henry Ford said:
Yeah, it's easy to forget that the average IQ in this country is a 98.  For those of us who took the SAT more than 25 years ago, that's equivalent to a 725 on the SAT.  Combined. 

Imagine the guy you knew in high school who would have gotten a 725 combined SAT score.  That's average.  About half the country is below that.  That's who's being targeted. 
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I think your stats are incorrect. A 98 IQ is right around the 50th percentile, yes, but for the SATs, that corresponding score would be just about 1000. The SATs are curved to make 500 the average score on each part so 1000 would be about the 50th percentile. 725 is closer to the 20th percentile if not lower. Sorry to nerd up this thread but we should get our facts straight.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Sorry that was kind of vague, I mean when he tries to provides his findings to Congress, Giuliani has already said he will attempt to assert exec privilege in any reporting to Congress. That won’t be Mueller’s burden but it will be an obstacle in getting his case out.
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Well, it’s Rudy, so he’ll probably tell us the redacted parts followed by some real eyebrow raising backtracking. 

 
pecorino said:
I think your stats are incorrect. A 98 IQ is right around the 50th percentile, yes, but for the SATs, that corresponding score would be just about 1000. The SATs are curved to make 500 the average score on each part so 1000 would be about the 50th percentile. 725 is closer to the 20th percentile if not lower. Sorry to nerd up this thread but we should get our facts straight.
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Well he mentioned the SAT of 25 years ago - I know the scoring has undergone several changes since then. 

 
pecorino said:
I think your stats are incorrect. A 98 IQ is right around the 50th percentile, yes, but for the SATs, that corresponding score would be just about 1000. The SATs are curved to make 500 the average score on each part so 1000 would be about the 50th percentile. 725 is closer to the 20th percentile if not lower. Sorry to nerd up this thread but we should get our facts straight.
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An average SAT score wouldn't equate to average intelligence. An average SAT score only represents average intelligence of the population that takes the SAT. 

 
pecorino said:
I think your stats are incorrect. A 98 IQ is right around the 50th percentile, yes, but for the SATs, that corresponding score would be just about 1000. The SATs are curved to make 500 the average score on each part so 1000 would be about the 50th percentile. 725 is closer to the 20th percentile if not lower. Sorry to nerd up this thread but we should get our facts straight.
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Pre-1995.  Look it up. 

https://pumpkinperson.com/2015/09/24/converting-sat-score-to-iq/

looks like it’s been revised to about 800. 

https://pumpkinperson.com/2015/12/16/revised-chart-converting-sat-scores-to-iq-equivalents/

 
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Henry Ford said:
Probably around when he talks to Putin. 
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That seems silly

Putinnwould never talk to Mueller, but in Assange’s case, anybody can walk into the Ecuadorian embassy at any time.  Journalists, lawyers on other matters, even Pamela Anderson have just waltzed right in and talked to him...but not Mueller?

weird

 
Rove! said:
That seems silly

Putinnwould never talk to Mueller, but in Assange’s case, anybody can walk into the Ecuadorian embassy at any time.  Journalists, lawyers on other matters, even Pamela Anderson have just waltzed right in and talked to him...but not Mueller?

weird
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Only trumpers would think that speaking to a foreign "hostile intelligence service" is simple for a government official...

 
Rove! said:
That seems silly

Putinnwould never talk to Mueller, but in Assange’s case, anybody can walk into the Ecuadorian embassy at any time.  Journalists, lawyers on other matters, even Pamela Anderson have just waltzed right in and talked to him...but not Mueller?

weird
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There's no way that the OSC has jurisdiction to interview someone abroad, much less a foreign citizen in an embassy abroad, and there's no way they could do it securely. They have interviewed foreign citizens but it's been here in the US, especially in the case of a couple oligarchs whom they've detained at US airports IIRC.

 
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Once upon a time there was a guy named Lyndon LaRouche.  Dude was certifiable.  Not quite to the level of Pizzagate, Uranium One or US Federal law enforcement can walk into the Ecuadorean Embassy at any time and force residents there to sit down for an interview on top-secret information in an unsecure location certifiable, but, you know... way way out there.

Anyhow, everyone knew this guy was nuts.  He'd been around for a long time.  And eventually everyone just ignored his crazy ### to the point where he'd send his handful of like-minded lunatics out into the city to sit at tables just to try and corner hapless passers-by into discussing whatever whackadoodle thing was on his mind that day.

But, since everyone knew this guy was completely insane, no one paid any attention to them.  Even though they were sitting right there babbling nonsense at you on your way into the Metro, everyone just put their heads down and kept walking.

No idea why that came to mind just now.

 
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Rirruto said:
If Jerome Corsi is told he's going to be indicted, agrees to a plea deal, changes his mind, posts his agreement on twitter, and then ends up with no charges, you have to put him in the criminal hall of fame on the first ballot. Just huge stones with that move.
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And his own son (or stepson) was put before the grand jury. Maybe he got immunity in the end, who knows, because they certainly appear to have him thoroughly squeezed. It's hard to believe the OSC is actually wrapping up considering this is unresolved, Stone's trial, Stone's aide and whoever else stems from Stone, Don Jr., the foreign entity, and whoever/whatever they pulled out of  Flynn, Manafort and Gates. - Maybe they're spinning this off and presenting to Rosenstein who can still execute review while they can.

 
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Rove! said:
That seems silly

Putinnwould never talk to Mueller, but in Assange’s case, anybody can walk into the Ecuadorian embassy at any time.  Journalists, lawyers on other matters, even Pamela Anderson have just waltzed right in and talked to him...but not Mueller?

weird
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So in order to investigate the domestic portion of a potential international conspiracy you think the lead investigator should go into a country aligned against our own, where he has no jurisdiction, in order to attempt to question someone who’s repeatedly been invited to this country to be interviewed and refused?

 
Dinsy Ejotuz said:
Once upon a time there was a guy named Lyndon LaRouche.  Dude was certifiable.  Not quite to the level of Pizzagate, Uranium One or US Federal law enforcement can walk into the Ecuadorean Embassy at any time and force residents there to sit down for an interview on top-secret information in an unsecure location certifiable, but, you know... way way out there.

Anyhow, everyone knew this guy was nuts.  He'd been around for a long time.  And eventually everyone just ignored his crazy ### to the point where he'd send his handful of like-minded lunatics out into the city to sit at tables just to try and corner hapless passers-by into discussing whatever whackadoodle thing was on his mind that day.

But, since everyone knew this guy was completely insane, no one paid any attention to them.  Even though they were sitting right there babbling nonsense at you on your way into the Metro, everyone just put their heads down and kept walking.

No idea why that came to mind just now.
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Because he died last week?

 
Henry Ford said:
So in order to investigate the domestic portion of a potential international conspiracy you think the lead investigator should go into a country aligned against our own, where he has no jurisdiction, in order to attempt to question someone who’s repeatedly been invited to this country to be interviewed and refused?
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You'll have to forgive him, he's busy desperately grasping at whatever straws he can find.

You'll also notice his type doesn't even try to argue Trump's innocence anymore, they just try and throw a monkey wrench into the conversation and then bail.

Hard to blame them at this point I suppose.

 
Henry Ford said:
So in order to investigate the domestic portion of a potential international conspiracy you think the lead investigator should go into a country aligned against our own, where he has no jurisdiction, in order to attempt to question someone who’s repeatedly been invited to this country to be interviewed and refused?
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Ecuador and/or UK are aligned against the US?  

Swedish prosecutors seemed to have no issue meeting with and interviewing Assange regarding a domestic issue...

 
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Dinsy Ejotuz said:
Once upon a time there was a guy named Lyndon LaRouche.  Dude was certifiable.  Not quite to the level of Pizzagate, Uranium One or US Federal law enforcement can walk into the Ecuadorean Embassy at any time and force residents there to sit down for an interview on top-secret information in an unsecure location certifiable, but, you know... way way out there.
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These things had to intersect.

Stone-Larouche "interview."

During the back and forth, LaRouche made clear that the election of Donald Trump was a defeat for those, like President Obama, who were seeking to provoke a world war against Russia. In one exchange about the Bill Clinton presidency, LaRouche made clear that Clinton was targeted by the British Queen and was under major attack when he capitulated to the repeal of Glass-Steagall, and that Hillary Clinton contributed to the demise of the Clinton presidency. Stone agreed with that assessment.

Stone showed tremendous respect for Mr. LaRouche throughout the interview, and delighted in the fact that some people on Wall Street will go berserk over the fact that LaRouche appeared on Stone's radio show. He asked, towards the end of the interview, for Mr. LaRouche to say something about the political frameup to silence him, and LaRouche pinned the railroad prosecutions on President George H.W. Bush, to which Stone, the author of a recent book on the Bush “crime family,” fully agreed.

LaRouche repeated that the Trump victory represented a global defeat for those provoking war against Russia, and that, while it is not yet known what Trump will accomplish in office, the halt of the war drive is a major contribution in itself. Stone made clear that one of the issues that he is certain that Trump will pursue is the reinstatement of Glass-Steagall, a policy that Stone noted has been promoted by Lyndon LaRouche for a long time.

At one point, Stone noted that he has been a close friend and collaborator of Donald Trump since the 1980 Reagan campaign, when Trump and his father, Fred Trump, were early strong political and financial backers of Reagan.
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