SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Any concerns about the matchup? The Browns are a pretty good run defense, plus in Cleveland. I'm not sure how much that matters considering JW's hot streak.
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
That's so sweet coming from you...
really adds a lot to the discussion doesn't it? Funny thing is, I didn't see this until I clicked "show this post"
I have zero worries about the matchup. Browns run D was better early in the season, but hasn't been playing well lately. They've given up 100+ YFS to RBs in four of their last five (and the one exception was Abdullah, who put up 12/55/1)
My only concern is over workload. Haven't heard anything concrete all week about how it's expected to break down. I own both but am worried they'll end up destroying each other's value.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Yeah it's well documented that Pass pro is one of his biggest weaknesses. Which is why I've said now I think 4 times that once Rodgers comes back I think Williams gets more time because of his ability to protect Rodgers. Next year is anyone's guess
I would be. But the volume may be there. Jones is healthier now, so there's him taking some carries too.
If I had him on my playoff team, I'd probably consider other options given the matchup and the questionmarks surrounding the distribution of carries as we don't know what the split will be. But it all depends on my other options. Most people who have Williams and have been starting him are probably not fully blessed at RB2. Not saying Williams is a bad start these last few weeks, but you certainly don't have a "set it and forget it" RB2. I would possibly consider benching but it all depends on what I had behind him.
Both of you drop it.That's so sweet coming from you...
Funny thing is, I didn't see this until I clicked "show this post"
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I had no idea. Thanks for this.
In that case, I would probably play him. Williams has been working and the Packers need a win. Jones may get a few carries and may kill Williams' value a bit, but it all depends on your other options. I would have to have a pretty intriguing option behind Williams to bench him after his last few performances
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Yeah, that's where I'm leaning. As a point of reference, I'd be starting him along with Collins and sitting Barber and DeMarco. I actually prefer Barber's match-up but have far more concerns about his workload. Even if both he and Jamaal are in timeshares, I would assume Williams is the one more likely to be on the positive end of that share. Bucs seem to have more invested (financially and psychologically) in Martin.
All that said, it would be nice if someone came out with a report detailing the Packers' thinking on this. It's been total crickets all week.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I don't tihnk GB even knows what to do at this point. McCarthy is a deer in headlights and I think he's just hoping to survive until Rodgers gets back next week. I have reached out to a colleague who works within that organization to an extent to see what he might be hearing and there doesn't seem to be much more than what the rest of us know. What he can tell me is that Jones looks good to go health wise.
This is a mess for any fantasy football owner for the ROS. Right now, logic says Williams has played well enough to continue to get the lion's share of the carries. But it could easily turn into some time share of each getting so many series or situational plays. Worst case scenario, IMO, Williams splits 60/40 with Jones. But I think that's unlikely. What we will probably see is 80/20 if I had to take a guess. Jones might be more involved in the passing game than Williams has been lately. GB has never been one to really go with RBBC, so history is on the side of Williams right now.
Todem
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Yeah, he's had issues, but I wouldn't call it "woes." Unless you have something specific. He did quite well when A-Rod was in. I distinctly remember him making a stellar block with Rodgers in, and Rodgers acknowledging that. It's not like he is absolutely terrible at pas pro. Williams is much better. And it's not like GB is winning games by throwing the ball these days.
But, opinions are what they are. Regardless, I would feel okay starting Williams this week if I had him.
Todem
Footballguy
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/Bolt/Green-Bay-Packers-coach-Mike-McCarthy-not-a-fan-of-switching-running-backs-during-games--111862239
“And what's interesting is Jones is listed as the No. 1 running back on the Packers latest depth chart while Williams is the backup.”
http://www.packers.com/team/depth-chart.html
“And what's interesting is Jones is listed as the No. 1 running back on the Packers latest depth chart while Williams is the backup.”
http://www.packers.com/team/depth-chart.html
zamboni
Footballguy
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
Does this give anyone pause about starting Williams? It does me. Thats a depth chart as of December 5. It was updated to put Jones at the top of the list. Jordy over Adams is kind of irrelevant because they probably play 3-wide most of the time anyway (I am assuming, I dont know this).
It woudl make little sense to me to bump Williams to the bench after the past few weeks, but seeing that does concern me. I have him in over Mike Evans in one non-PPR, and Dion Lewis in another. Marquise Lee in a PPR. Thats the only 3 leagues I play in. Would be a bummer if he got 7 carries for 12 yards playing as the backup.
Flint Fireballs!
Footballguy
I have a bye this week, for which I'm thankful, as I need to see this situation play out another week. I have both Jones (who I've had all season) and Williams (who I picked up when he was cut during Jones time as the starter) and I wouldn't really care to start either. I am hoping Williams keeps getting the majority of the work and that I can confidently start him next week, but I think we're going to see both get used, despite what their Head Coach is saying.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
BREAKING NEWS
It was just announced that Browns NT Danny Shelton is INACTIVE for today's game.
Shelton is an anchor against the run so it 'could' open up some inside runs and allow the center and guards to get to the second level of the Browns defense and 'possibly' open up a long run or two..
It was just announced that Browns NT Danny Shelton is INACTIVE for today's game.
Shelton is an anchor against the run so it 'could' open up some inside runs and allow the center and guards to get to the second level of the Browns defense and 'possibly' open up a long run or two..
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I think you have to roll out Williams if your other options are worse. I don’t think you’ll know anything until the first carry happens.
Starting him over DeMarco. Lets not forget Jones was fully healthy and active last week and got one carry
Synthesizer
Footballguy
He's gotten 20 touches in 4 straight games, he's been very productive, and the Packers are 2-2 (and nearly another win in Pitt). That's a big accomplishment with Hundley at QB. I would be shocked if the Packers reversed course and gave Williams anything less than 15 touches.
Rove!
Footballguy
This seems to be the plan?
i would expect Williams to get most of the work simply because he’s playing well and has been and Jones to come in with some personnel groups
Aznflyer14
Footballguy
Man, Jamaal Williams made a nice reception for TD and I really can't wait to see how he fares with Aaron Rodgers when he returns to the action.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Great job out there today, guys. Each of us had more yards than Aaron Jones.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Magnificent.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Got him at pick 20 of rookie draft. Was 8th running back, my 3rd
Synthesizer
Footballguy
It looked like Jones went the wrong way on a 4th down running play and then didn't see the field much (at all?) after that.
Chasers Dawg
Footballguy
pick 13 in a 16 team IDP
Got him at pick 20 of rookie draft. Was 8th running back, my 3rd
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kittenmittens
Footballguy
He's doing tthis without Rodgers too, who will be back next week. We may have another dynasty stud on our hands here.
I somehow got him at pick 24 overall in a rookie draft. Had him targeted at the end of the first and he fell that far. Thanks Waldman.
I somehow got him at pick 24 overall in a rookie draft. Had him targeted at the end of the first and he fell that far. Thanks Waldman.
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ShamrockPride
Footballguy
I traded for him Week 3. Traded for the entire GB backfield, was right before Ty went down and Jones had his breakout game.
Williams was an afterthought, still a "plodder" by most at that time. Guy I was trading with was gonna just cut him and I was gonna take Ty and the handcuff Jones. I was like.....Know what? Why don't I just take em all. He's like sure.
TL;DR: Got this dude for free.
Williams was an afterthought, still a "plodder" by most at that time. Guy I was trading with was gonna just cut him and I was gonna take Ty and the handcuff Jones. I was like.....Know what? Why don't I just take em all. He's like sure.
TL;DR: Got this dude for free.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Yep. He's the undisputed starter rest of the way. Early lead for next year at this point. Anything can happen with Rodgers back, but Williams looks exactly like he did in college. Maybe he's more comfortable. Either way it's fun to see GB with an actual RB
OK, so now we know he has the RB1 job locked up, but is it overthinking things to worry about his next two matchups? Carolina and Minny both have strong run Ds. The way you attack those teams is through the air, and the Packers just happen to have a guy coming back from IR who's capable of doing just that.
Still can't see benching him (my other options are DeMarco and Kerwyn Williams), but it is something to keep an eye on.
Still can't see benching him (my other options are DeMarco and Kerwyn Williams), but it is something to keep an eye on.
jabarony
Footballguy
Rodgers will probably make him less valuable. He loathes handing the ball off near the goal line.
STOP! You're giving me PTSD flashbacks to the year I owned James Starks!
Packers would have first and goal at the 1 and he wouldn't even be on the field.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Which is kind of funny because here I am a Packer fan watching other teams inside the 5 and I'm all frustrated because they have 3 TEs on the field and my WR is on the bench!
Used to the spread inside the 5 I guess
zamboni
Footballguy
Truth be told, this was how things seemed like they were headed early in the season when Montgomery got hurt/didn't seem to be feature back material. Williams was the next man up, and Jones only assumed the reins when Williams himself went down. And now back to Williams once Jones got hurt himself.
Aznflyer14
Footballguy
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/aaron-rodgers-injury-update-return-packers-offense-jamaal-williams-davante-adams/3g1hvychyddj1sdq9a6ca8whc
Disclaimer: I have no interests in reviving prior condescending discussion on who is clearly better back between Williams and Aaron Jones. This is intended for your information regarding Aaron Rodgers' return and its impact on Packers' whole offense.
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
In theory, it should get the defenses out of the box. In reality, can we really expect him to post better numbers than he did with Hundley? He was a set it and forget it for the past few weeks. Be great if Rodgers coming back just keeps him the same, although in theory...
Synthesizer
Footballguy
I expect him to get 20+ carries in order to limit the number of times Rodgers needs to drop back this weekend. But the goalline is where things will change. I doubt he will get 3 straight carries from the 1 yard line like last weekend.
Conan Troutman
Footballguy
No but I'll take slightly worse numbers any day and twice on Sunday. Just roll him out there and enjoy.
