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QB Baker Mayfield, TB (1 Viewer)
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The Frankman
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Ghost Rider
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Remember when Browns fans crushed Cowherd when he expressed his concerns about him going number 1? Good times.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Who's the backup? Is Manziel still available?
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Mayfield and Darnold both have time to turn things around, but as of right now Allen and Jackson are the better QBs. Shows just how much of a crapshoot the draft really is.
MAC_32
Footballguy
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
True. But it's easy for my eyes to see Baker is straight garbage. He's Surrounded by all that talent and nothing. Darnold has been surrounded by garbage to this point.
rockaction
Footballguy
They should have put Baker's head from 2020 on his body in 2019.
It'd still look fat!
Hawardy har har.
It'd still look fat!
Hawardy har har.
GroveDiesel
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Absolutely. The Browns have done Baker no favors at all. Same with Jets and Darnold. I had my doubts about whether the Bills could develop a QB, but Allen has made some nice strides each year and the stability at OC has definitely helped. I’m still not sure Allen is an actual franchise QB, but he’s at least taken steps in the right direction. I can only imagine how frustrating it is for Browns fans to see Mayfield have such a nice rookie season and then seemingly regress even with better talent around him.
Yeah Baker only has OBJ, Landry, Hunt, Chubb and now Hooper
No help at all
Darnold on the other hand had been actively screwed over by his team
BobbyLayne
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QB development & roster management are synonyms
Learn something new everyday
Learn something new everyday
MAC_32
Footballguy
It'll take time to detox from 2019. Will Baker's arrow ascend upwards as the season progresses and he accumulates time in this system? I think that's a question to be answered later this fall. But I've also never been one to react much to any September, especially this particular one.
Ghost Rider
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Not to mention the Clowns for all their faults fired Kitchens
The Jets are giving Gase (at least) one more year and maybe more
AndrewClark
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I think I'm done w Baker personally. He's is a 20-32 guy going forward right? God I feel so bad for Browns fan for having to deal with this crap.
Rhythmdoctor
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Baltimore is a top 5 defense. Maybe it’s best to not hit the panic button yet. I think Odell is the true fraud. Jury still out on Baker.
Roy L Fewks
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AndrewClark
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If things do keep going this way, does OBJ meltdown come soon? Serious question as an owner. I feel like it's coming.
Lol OBJ has proven he is an elite talent multiple times. Baker hasn't proven jack####
How can anyone look at their careers and legitimately think OBJ isn't good and Baker is
OBJ has literally been elite every year without Baker but he is the fraud? Compared to Baker who has never been elite?
Doesn't make sense at all
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AndrewClark
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I figured. You can almost sense it coming. Maybe not on the field or on the sidelines, but even something stupid off the field and out of practice.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
My post is talking about THIS season. OBJ WAS an elite talent. His last elite season was 2016. Let that sink in. 2016. Baker appears to be a fraud too but it's still too early to say since he plays the toughest position in football. Did you watch the game this weekend? OBJ can't even catch the easy ones anymore, he's a shell of his former self.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
He hasn't been elite on the football field since 2016. How are you qualifying him as STILL being an elite talent? I don't see it. He could turn it around but I don't see that happening. He has been in a down trend for 4 seasons now.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I buy the he tried to play injured (not hurt) narrative last season. I didn't watch enough prior to comment. I read all summer how he looked like his old self and from a physical perspective I saw it on Sunday. His problem wasn't his physical gifts. His problem was actually executing. He was a total mess in that game. I'm not going to try to play amateur shrink from my couch and forecast whether he will get it right or not. I am curious to see how both he and Baker respond on Thursday though.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
I get it, your a Browns fan and staying optimistic, I can't fault you for that. As an outsider looking in and someone who has owned OBJ his entire career in dynasty, I'm telling you, his best days are behind him. My best guess is that he is living the party life and football just ain't that important to him. Either way, glad I avoided him in redrafts this year. I still have him on a dynasty team, however.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I wouldn't call it optimism. There's good reason I veered away from him in redrafts and I don't think I've ever had him in dyno (a reason I can't comment on prior). I just don't jump to conclusions after one game. If things go well Thursday I'm not going to whip lash and scream ALL IS WELL!!! I'll want to see them do it again.
Rhythmdoctor
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MAC_32
Footballguy
I hesitate in citing last year. I don't think he was healthy. He looked completely different physically Sunday.
Judge Smails
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Mayfield looked completely lost to me. Talked a lot of trash and isn't backing any of it up. Dude has elite weapons and line. Put up or shut up.
On a per game basis he was elite while healthy in 2017 and the 10 games in 2018 too.
2017: WR3 in PPG
2018: WR6 in PPG
While healthy he has been great his whole career with subpar QB play in late career Eli (except 2016--Eli was good then). It's just with Baker he hasn't
SpruceGoose
Footballguy
it is REALLY hard to say OBJ is washed when his QB is a joke.
I mean...Manning was done in NYC when he was killing.
Manster
Footballguy
I feel like that was as good as we will see Baker and the Browns all season........that cincy defensive front was as soft as Randy Bullocks beer belly......against better D's he will revert to gun slinger, pick throwin Baker.....heck, he had a bad pick in this one
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Ghost Rider
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Exactly. Yes, we all know by now that he can light up the Bengals. Congrats to him. Now let's see some consistent play out of him in 2020 against teams who aren't 4-25 since the middle of October 2018.
Marmalade
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
No, but it will be entertaining seeing Browns fans attack him on Twitter after beating the Bengals and Washington FBT. These same fans will be nowhere to be found when the Browns are 5-9 and Mayfield is enjoying his last days as a starter.
