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People were considering a backup rookie TE to post a TE1 season? Either they’re not very smart or your memory is terrible.
Ya, just looked back through the thread, people were not saying that. Mostly just debating how he was a fit for the Eagles and not really fantasy numbers. Most people that did predict fantasy numbers were pretty bang on with the 200-500/4-6 type predictions.
lol. First of all he was the only one that mentioned 'top 10". Also, it's a bit of a stretch to say that "I dont think its crazy that he could be between 8 and 16" is the "exact same thing" as "he'll be around top 10 with top 3 upside".
Most people pretty bang on here. Not a person was expecting top 10 last year at all.
It's a tough spot for Goedert. He could be so much more but was drafted into a terrible situation. If Goedert plays out of his mind then maybe they cut Ertz. Goedert is a lot cheaper being on his rookie deal. It's more likely they extend Ertz through 2022 where he'll be 32 years old. Then they let Ertz walk and sign Goedert. Which in that scenario Goedert, depending on roster sizes, was a wasted pick. 5 years of splitting time with Ertz and being basically unstartable.
Well you drafted the guy in your leagues when you already knew all of these things, no?
In the 3rd round sure. His talent is to good. If he had lasted one more pick and gone to the Cowboys I would have valued him as a top 3 dynasty rookie pick. It's got to be tough for Goedert too. I mean he's a professional so he'll say the right things but I imagine he knows he could do more. Ertz is a target hog though and he's not going anywhere so Goedert's stuck.
I'm confused dude. You said depending on your roster sizes, he was a wasted pick. I'm assuming you're talking about fantasy instead of the nfl.
Yeah I'm talking my dynasty roster. I'm upset at how close he came top being a top 3 TE in dynasty. Which he would have been after one year had he gone to Dallas. I can be a little salty there. He was literally one pick away and the Eagles traded up in the 2nd round so they could target him 60 times a year. It was agonizingly close.
After but still sucks to watch him waste his prime getting 50 targets a year.
lol im not mad, this just makes zero sense. How was it "so close" to being a top 3 TE? If he was drafted by Dallas, you might have not gotten him in your draft. Or would have had to take him a round earlier. You fully knew the situation ahead when you took him, so you're admitting you wasted a pick on him, KNOWING you'd be wasting a pick on him. Nothing about his usage/numbers has been surprising or odd. He's doing exactly what you predicted he'd do when you took him, so there's no issue here.
Well it was only a 3rd rounder but yes if Ertz stays healthy it'll be more like 3-4 years before Goedert makes much noise. I would have happily taken him in the 1st round if he'd gone to Dallas. This is a FF forum right? You don't see how the way this situation with Goedert's landing spot has played out could be frustrating? I don't know what to tell you then. He's an elite talent stuck behind a good talent with a rock solid established role.
No, not even a little. You drafted him knowing how this would play out. You knew exactly how it would play out and took him anyways.
Ok well I don't know what to tell ya. It's more a tough break for Goedert but yeah I drafted him knowing he was screwed unless Ertz got hurt. That doesn't necessarily make the situation less frustrating for me. Just anticipated.
That's what I was about to say. I didn't have any illusions last year about Goedert's chances to get there. And accordingly I didn't draft him anywhere except in a couple bestballs. No redrafts or dynasties. I was only making the point that in the fantasy wasteland of TEs it wouldn't have been crazy if he had finished TE8 to TE16 (arbitrary I know). 8th to 16th at PPG means he is basically not startable. Anyone below TE6 is losing their boxscore matchup on average.
I like your logic. I wasn't factoring in Ertz missing games. Def TE8 ceiling at least with Ertz out. TE2 ceiling with that happening.
I agree with a lot of that. I would just mention again TD'S are notoriously hard to predict. His TD ceiling is high.
TD's very tough. I was going to say 3-7 but wanted a concrete random guess number so went with 5.
He's a great player. Just doesn't have much room to grow in this offense right now. The only way he's much use in FF this year is if Ertz gets hurt or he hits his TD ceiling.
This has been my exact thinking. He’s a decent bet in deep leagues and the type of guy you want in best ball.Deamon said:
I know you have a mancrush on Goedart, and I don't blame you, I like him a lot too, but can we not undersell Ertz so much? The guy has the most receptions by a TE through six seasons and set the record for most receptions in a season last year. That means he is more than just a good talent. He knows how to get open and he catches the ball when it is thrown to him. Now I think he got so many receptions last year in part because the Eagles running game was not good, so they looked to Ertz as a safe alternative. If the Eagles running game is better this year, the ball will be spread around more and Ertz will get less targets.Milkman said:
I don't know about a man crush but yes I believe Goedert is better than Ertz. Was never super high on Ertz but established roles that are successful are tough to push off the field so I don't see Goedert pushing Ertz off the field anytime soon. So your boy Ertz is safe.
Maybe not. Its entirely possible the Eagles see how good he is, and run a 2-TE offense as their main offense. At least they should. Nelson Agholor shouldn't be keeping Goedert off the field. Maybe a Gronk-Hernandez type arrangement?
That's a possibility but a long shot. At this point I would be surprised if Goedert gets more that 70 targets the next 2 years.
maybe, if Reich was still there this would definitely be doable. The good news is that Wentz loves his TEs and seems to prefer to throwing to them over guys like Alshon if memory serves me
Are you going to rush in here every week of the season and say how much of a shame it is that the Eagles drafted Goedert?
Honestly I'll try hard not to. Thanks for the reality check. I really do feel bad for Goedert though.
I think the guy is pretty happy. He's in a good system, on a good team, learning from one of the best. It's easy to say "of if he was on X team he'd be X good". He might get more targets elsewhere, but he might have developed slower and been on an offense with less redzone opportunities. From everything we've heard from this guy, he loves playing in Philly.
Yeah we'll have to see. I just think 70 targets a year is a waste of his talent. There's already rumblings that he's better than Ertz. He has to be playing out of his mind in TC for that to even be mentioned. I had him as a top 3 prospect (FF rookies) last year before the draft. Very Gronk like imo. I'm not going to post much about it in here though so no worries. There isn't much more to say about it anyway. He just looked really good last night.
