psychobillies
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Term limits would solve so many problems. These politicians are literally making their careers by making us hate each other. AOC, Trump, Pelosi, McConnell etc. are all laughing at us.
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Politics is and always has been a filthy business. And I am including both sides.
GordonGekko
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psychobillies said:
Very likely not. You can cycle out the Biden's but that only empowers the people who put him there, like David Cohen of Comcast, Jeffrey Katzenberg of Hollywood, George Soros, Bloomberg, and a few others.
What you need is a fixed cap on total earning ability for any politician period. You can only earn 100-200K a year period from any source.
Maxine Waters pushed for TARP funds, about 12 million dollars worth, to save a corrupt and failing bank where her husband had an investment of about 300K. To save 300K of basically her own money, she set 12 million taxpayer dollars on fire. That kind of story is too frequent on both sides of the aisle. Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation are the biggest open money launderers seen at a massive scale since Pablo Escobar at his height.
Anyone who runs for POTUS should have their children conscripted and sent to a front line combat position overseas. Ivanka Trump should be digging foxholes and picking up a rifle and scrubbing toilets like any grunt. So should Malia Obama. So should Jenna Bush. Chelsea Clinton. All of them.
Every Senator should live in the poorest and most crime infested area in their state, no exceptions. They should only be allowed a living budget of what the poverty level is in that state. Their children can only go to those destroyed and broken school districts.
Eat out of a can all week. Watch roaches crawl on you while you sleep. Pray you don't get gunned down making it to your front door. Hope your kids don't get stabbed in the lunchroom at school. Then you'll see things change.
NorvilleBarnes
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AOC whining that some are "weaponizing" the border crisis is amazing.
-jb-
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Here's the article, and she's right. She's not putting it on the right or left. She's calling out the whole thing.
“Folks like to weaponize it and pretend that this is a new emergency. It’s not, and we should be doing better by now,” she said. “U.S. foreign policy has contributed to the destabilization of these regions and of the very countries that are mired in a lot of violence that these families and these children are fleeing … All of this is morally wrong. It’s repugnant.”
https://www.thecut.com/2021/04/aoc-decries-horrifying-conditions-at-the-border.html?utm_medium=s1&utm_campaign=thecut&utm_source=tw
ETA - Conceding the fact that she used the trump period for a "weaponizing" photo op. that is amazing.
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GordonGekko
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Direct Headline: How Instagram takes a toll on influencers' brains
Research suggests the platform fosters anxiety as we compare ourselves to others
Jenni Gritters Sun 20 Jan 2019 13.46 EST
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/08/instagram-influencers-psychology-social-media-anxiety
Direct Headline: The dark side of being an Instagram influencer: The constant need for likes and validation
Social media celebrities have an almost collaborative connection to followers, but that can cause stress and anxiety.
Elvira Bolat, The Conversation & Parisa Gilani, The Conversation Aug 13, 2018 · 08:30 pm
https://scroll.in/article/889695/the-dark-side-of-being-an-instagram-influencer-the-constant-pressure-for-likes-and-validation
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AOC is in a bit of a complicated position politically. She's extremely young for the size of her platform. She does not come from old money nor a storied family legacy nor linkage to an political feeder system. Because of Joint Finance Agreements used by the DNC, The Squad has effectively been cut off financially at the knees as old guard establishment types, the Pelosi/Newsom faction and the Obama/Biden/Harris loyalists really want little to nothing to do with the Progressives other than to use them to get the radical vote and part of the young vote.
The drawback is since she won't get traditional DNC support, she has no chance being effective with traditional media. When she beat Crowley for his seat, he was spending 10 dollars for every single dollar she could muster. What's impressive, as of current projections, about 90 percent of her total donation base comes from volume nickel and diming. She's getting 10 dollars here, 50 dollars there, 85 dollars in that place, maybe the rare 150 dollars to mix it up. Since she has no big money supporters like a David Cohen/George Soros/Bloomberg for Biden, she is not beholden to old guard establishment tradition. She's driving her money into social media. She's spending in the 7 digit range consistently in annual billing from places like Facebook. That means she's spending too much money for them to cancel her. Prager U had this same issue, but on the other side of the aisle, they spent so much that they are one of few conservative bases that don't take a battering like the rest.
But AOC is locked into the constant pressure to stay in the daily media cycle but with the constraints of a social media influencer. She needs to spend money to buy ad time on social media to stay relevant, also to pay her gigantic and well curated staff ( she has some real heavy hitters on her roster, I can give her credit for that) but to maintain that, she has to generate donations, which means she has to keep generating new donors, which means she has to keep finding ways to drive her view count and gain the fleeting interest of her generation - who are bored, distracted and prone to have wavering attention.
She is not beholden to the DNC establishment, but she is beholden to this vicious cycle of rinse/repeat outrage for mass engagement and reaping in dollars to pay for the volume eyes onto the next thing to be outraged about in politics.
AOC doesn't care that she's right or not. She's clearly exhausted from trying to justify being a "brand name" Democrat and to stay relevant week to week in this vicious churn. She's just smart enough to realize the old guard types like Biden/Pelosi only see her as the loud brown girl just barely good enough to clean their bathrooms but just dumb enough not to realize this brutal churn is unsustainable.
Her only escape hatch is to run for POTUS, and soon. The Border Crisis only gives her a stronger POTUS narrative for the immediate future. This is like the end of a Tony Scott movie. She's just standing there and all her rivals are blowing each other away for her benefit.
It could reviewing products, it could be teaching cooking recipes, it could be movie reviews, it could be talking sports, her niche is just politics. She's not passionate about politics, she's passionate about being relevant. She suffers like any other embattled YouTuber but the stakes are higher for us compared to a failed cooking recipe. The stakes become watching all our grandkids perish in a society no longer seen as worth saving.
There's a lot I don't like about her as a politician, but her story and her pathway is fascinating. This is really a test case of the limits of shock marketing as a form of marathon.
FairWarning
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Speaking of social influencers - https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/influencer-lee-macmillan-dead-suicide-152900332.html
There really couldn't be a less rewarding job in life than being that.
There really couldn't be a less rewarding job in life than being that.
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Summer Wheat
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AOC Ranks 230 out of 240 for all Democrat Congress Effectivness. Pelosi was ranked even lower. I guess AOC has less pull than we thought among her peers.
Despite being two of the most well-known members of Congress, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Speaker Nancy Pelosi rank near the bottom of the table in a measure of legislative effectiveness.
In a study of legislative effectiveness, Ocasio-Cortez was ranked No. 230 out of the 240 Democrats who served in the 116th Congress. Pelosi was ranked 237th in the measure. Rep. Jim Cooper, a Tennessee Democrat, was the least effective legislator in his party.
The New York Democrat introduced 21 “substantive” bills in her first two years in office. None of the legislation received committee action, floor votes, or became law, according to researchers from the Center for Effective Lawmaking.
“It’s clear that she was trying to get her legislative agenda moving and engage with the lawmaking process. But she wasn’t as successful as some other members were — even among [other] freshmen — at getting people to pay attention to her legislation.” Alan Wiseman, a political science professor and the co-director of the CEL, told the New York Post.
The CEL, a joint project between the University of Virginia and Vanderbilt University, ranked Rep. Ilhan Omar 214 out of 240 Democrats. The Minnesota representative sponsored 33 “substantive” bills, none of which made it into law. Rep. Rashida Tlaib did substantially better than her fellow “Squad” members and was ranked 92nd. Three bills she sponsored made it to a committee, and one became law.
Among Republicans, Rep. Jim Jordan ranks 202 out of the 205 Republicans who sat in Congress during the last session. Texas Rep. Kay Granger came in last place in the ranking of House Republicans.
Craig Volden, a co-director of the CEL, told USA Today that the “workhorses” of Congress were “less likely to be called upon by the media,” and among the “ show horses,” who tend to have more of a national spotlight, “there tends to be more of an interest in talking about ... politicking and personalities.”
Rep. Michael McCaul and Sen. Marco Rubio were the most effective Republicans in their respective chambers, while Rep. Nita Lowey and Sen. Gary Peters topped the charts for Democrats.
Despite being two of the most well-known members of Congress, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Speaker Nancy Pelosi rank near the bottom of the table in a measure of legislative effectiveness.
In a study of legislative effectiveness, Ocasio-Cortez was ranked No. 230 out of the 240 Democrats who served in the 116th Congress. Pelosi was ranked 237th in the measure. Rep. Jim Cooper, a Tennessee Democrat, was the least effective legislator in his party.
The New York Democrat introduced 21 “substantive” bills in her first two years in office. None of the legislation received committee action, floor votes, or became law, according to researchers from the Center for Effective Lawmaking.
“It’s clear that she was trying to get her legislative agenda moving and engage with the lawmaking process. But she wasn’t as successful as some other members were — even among [other] freshmen — at getting people to pay attention to her legislation.” Alan Wiseman, a political science professor and the co-director of the CEL, told the New York Post.
The CEL, a joint project between the University of Virginia and Vanderbilt University, ranked Rep. Ilhan Omar 214 out of 240 Democrats. The Minnesota representative sponsored 33 “substantive” bills, none of which made it into law. Rep. Rashida Tlaib did substantially better than her fellow “Squad” members and was ranked 92nd. Three bills she sponsored made it to a committee, and one became law.
Among Republicans, Rep. Jim Jordan ranks 202 out of the 205 Republicans who sat in Congress during the last session. Texas Rep. Kay Granger came in last place in the ranking of House Republicans.
Craig Volden, a co-director of the CEL, told USA Today that the “workhorses” of Congress were “less likely to be called upon by the media,” and among the “ show horses,” who tend to have more of a national spotlight, “there tends to be more of an interest in talking about ... politicking and personalities.”
Rep. Michael McCaul and Sen. Marco Rubio were the most effective Republicans in their respective chambers, while Rep. Nita Lowey and Sen. Gary Peters topped the charts for Democrats.
I wish all congress critters were that ineffective. We already have way too many laws.
GordonGekko
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Summer Wheat said:
I've criticized AOC a decent amount and I don't see a whole lot of problems coming from this.
What is the best way for AOC to push for future legislation that she wants and supports? By having more Progressives in Congress. It's clear the old guard DNC hates her guts. They also blame her for some of the "Defund The Police" fallout.
Criticize AOC for a bunch of other things sure, but for this? Focusing on legislation is not her role. Hammering her for this is like hammering Dennis Rodman for not scoring 15 points a game every night.
AOC's role is to lead The Squad. She uses her massive social media platform to help other young Progressives in their campaigns. In the last year, this is what she's done
1) She doubled the size of The Squad. There are four incoming members from the 2020 elections. Money buys ads and ads buys coverage and coverage gets you votes. AOC can shortcut this by getting the names of her favored candidates, fellow Progressives, without the punitive costs of traditional media advertisement. That's huge for non brand name candidates. She now controls 8 votes in the HOR.
2) The DNC had no choice but to support Jon Ossoff with big money and big coverage. He's a stone cold Progressive. I don't care what else is said in the MSM, the guy will line up with Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren to give AOC control of three votes in the Senate
3) Andrew Yang will likely take NY from de Blasio. He's also natural allies with the Progressives. This gives AOC leverage into the financial district, NY delegates, some cross sections of Hollywood and trying to turn NY into a test city for GND/UBI concepts. This is no small thing, this is a key Big Blue stronghold, and while she can't choke away the natural electoral votes here, it means she can't be ignored.
4) The Border Crisis only raises her profile. Old guard Democrats and the Obama/Biden/Harris loyalists look like they will lose the Latino vote. This means AOC now has more leverage to push Progressives in places like LA and San Diego. If she keeps getting leverage in critical Big Blue cities, now other leftists in Congress have to start cutting deals with her.
At the Democratic National Convention, DNC HQ gave her 60 seconds to speak. That's it. She's a legitimate name brand Democrat and she will be a heavy hitter in the 2028 POTUS run and she got one stinking minute. Why push legislation when you will be attacked by the Republicans and then attacked by stalking horses sent by Obama zealots and Pelosi hatchet men. It means you put in time, money and effort for zero return and exposed yourself to public attack and scrutiny. And who can blame her? She watched Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gabbard get destroyed for not falling in line with the establishment Democrats.
If AOC wants something put forward, she will make Tlaib or Pressley do it. That's what underlings are for, to do the dirty work.
Conservatives/Republicans should want AOC to raise noise but never win. That's how she helps those on the right side of the aisle. She splits the DNC, their delegates ( she will inherit many of the thousand delegates loyal to Sanders) and is a bigger threat to Obama/Biden/Harris ( since she can't be cancelled) than any name brand Republican. Force DNC HQ and the Super Delegates to fight a two front war.
Pelosi is an idiot. AOC is not some random event. She was picked and this situation was heavily curated to form a "Spice Girls Of Politics" Well, AOC turned into the Kraken. Now no one can control her. Pelosi literally generated a natural opponent to ensure Gavin Newsom would not win POTUS. AOC is literally the luckiest American politician of the modern age. She just stands there with that wide eyed confused look on her face and all her enemies tear themselves apart in front of her.
When your enemy is making a mistake, don't interrupt them. Let the DNC eat itself.
As a hardline Conservative, I'm glad that AOC is just smart enough to punish the Obama Legacy but also just dumb enough to eventually find a way to self implode her long term political narrative.
AOC doesn't drive through legislation. Big deal. Young Carmelo Anthony didn't play defense and he's still going into the Hall Of Fame. I never saw John Stockton defend the rim. Manute Bol should have been an assist machine? Political blocks have roles and matchup strategy just like sports teams do.
During the Trump years, AOC referred to the camps which the refugees were detained using inflammatory and hyperbolic rhetoric by labeling them as "concentration camps". To now be upset that Republicans are correctly labeling the increases in refugees as a 'surge' is hilariously ironic.-jb- said:
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BladeRunner
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parasaurolophus
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A whole month without AOC obsession in here????
Here is the esteemed congresswoman giving an amazingly articulate answer.
Follow up here.
Here is the esteemed congresswoman giving an amazingly articulate answer.
Follow up here.
FairWarning
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Apple Jack
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parasaurolophus
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The Commish
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There's been a rather large group of us in this very thread saying this from it's inception. We have 150 pages arguing how we were wrong. And the usuals will continue to ignore the reality you just posted and shout "fake news" because their view couldn't possibly be wrong
And also use her as "evidence" of how the "left" is sprinting further away from the rest of us.
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Sand
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If Pelosi was ranked at the very bottom of an effectiveness in Congress measurement I'd disregard the measurement completely.There's been a rather large group of us in this very thread saying this from it's inception. We have 150 pages arguing how we were wrong. And the usuals will continue to ignore the reality you just posted and shout "fake news" because their view couldn't possibly be wrong
And also use her as "evidence" of how the "left" is sprinting further away from the rest of us.
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Sand
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I don't get how she's ranked as "ineffective". Maybe I'm misreading this ranking thing, but she is about as powerful a Congressional leader we've had in a long time.
The Commish
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What did she get done during a time where she had to work with the other "side" and were those things that she was uniquely able to get done or that anyone in her position under those circumstances could get done?
BladeRunner
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DID YOU NOT READ THE STUDY ON EFFECTIVENESS?
It says she's 230! Don't ask any questions. Just believe it.
Summer Wheat
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Trump was effective tweeting, Cortez is effective tweeting. Kim Kardashian is effective tweeting.
All of them had tons of followers but in reality nothing they say really matters,
massraider
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Must be my birthday, the 207 page thread about the congresswoman no one is worried about was bumped.
BladeRunner
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Ramblin Wreck
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They desperately want people to think no one cares about her but they clearly do. They know she says plenty of ignorant things.
This thread was dead for 6 weeks until one you boys that 'hate' her so much bumped it. You guys are like 10 year old boys hitting the girl they are so in love with just to get her attention
Ramblin Wreck
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The Commish
Footballguy
Not sure of para's views on AOC, but I DO think it's dishonest to lump him in with the group primarily driving this thread. That's a whole other level.
It's not dishonest because the first line in his post is to make fun of the 'obessesion' and then to go on to mock her.
The thread was dead otherwise
The Commish
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That seems to be his MO towards politicians though. It's his style. I do acknowledge he's the one that bumped the thread. I also acknowledge that it was pretty funny given how seriously she takes herself while putting on that sort of performance. She should know more about the topic at hand than she does.
So on one hand, I see the point you are making. On the other, there's a group here who seems to have a unique obsession with AOC that doesn't carry over to other politicians and I think that's where para's different. He's digging on stupid thing said....this time it was AOC. The other group is fixated on AOC at all times and even when it's not something stupid she's said, it becomes something stupid she's said because they need it to be something stupid she's said even though she constantly says stupid things frequently and there is really no need to twist what she says.
I see what you are saying and understand the point you are trying to make
I was just trying to note this thread was dead for 6 weeks.
BladeRunner
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The Commish
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yup....and it's usually bumped by the obsessed...it's weird and sadly I can't not look from time to time
parasaurolophus
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At least somebody got my intent. I thought her answer was hilarious. The very first thing i thought of was John cusack rambling, which is why I posted that clip too.
I made the comment about the obsession because the thread was dead for a month and a common retort to any posts in there are "omg you guys are so obsessed with her!"
Ramblin Wreck
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yup....and it's usually bumped by the obsessed...it's weird and sadly I can't not look from time to time
Obsessed? Schochet and Ford have the 2nd and 3rd most posts in this thread. It's usually bumped when she does or says something ummm interesting
Dickies
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It was a pretty underwhelming answer to a question that nobody on planet earth has an actual answer to.
parasaurolophus
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Of course nobody knows the exact answer. That should be ok to say. Instead you get word salad. reading her answer illustrates just how many words she used to not say anything. Which is such a politician thing to do.
Dickies
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Agreed. I wish more politicians had the ability to say "I don't know" instead of pretending to be experts in all things.
The Commish
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parasaurolophus
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Total side note to anything AOC related, never realized that the girl that asked the question to such as the iraq girl was Jules from friday night lights!
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