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I'm confused regarding why this is hypocritical.  Can one not be wealthy and also believe that wealthy people should pay a larger share of the country's tax burden?  Are Warren Buffett and Bill Gates hypocritical when they advocate for higher taxes on the wealthy?
It’s not just that she’s wealthy, she’s wealthy because she has a job that requires ever increasing taxes to aquire/maintain her wealth. Also, she got a free invite from someone, again using her wealth to obtain things others can’t. 
 

Again, I align with the Democratic Party, just not on some tax issues. I pay enough, it’s just used poorly. 

 
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Probably.  I assume they utilize extensive lawyering/accounting to minimize their tax bills, while advocating for higher taxes on people that can't afford that,
1. What you outlined above isn't what I wrote.  What you've outlined is "the ultra-wealthy" advocating for higher taxes on the "upper middle class".  While that seems like bad policy, it's not hypocritical.  More to the point, it's also not what Buffett and Gates are doing.  They are advocating for higher taxes on themselves and others in their situation.

2. This doesn't really seem like an example of hypocrisy anyway.  As a counter-example, it's not hypocritical for someone to take the mortgage interest deduction while simultaneously advocating for the elimination of the mortgage interest deduction in the tax code.

 
It’s not just that she’s wealthy, she’s wealthy because she has a job that requires ever increasing taxes to aquire/maintain her wealth. Also, she got a free invite from someone, again using her wealth to obtain things others can’t. 
 

Again, I align with the Democratic Party, just not on some tax issues. I pay enough, it’s just used poorly. 
1. Her job (by itself) doesn't pay "ultra-wealth" level, and her specific job doesn't really require "ever increasing taxes".  Some of the policies and programs for which she advocates certainly require additional taxes, but suggesting that those taxes should come from the wealthy isn't hypocritical in and of itself.  If she argued, for example, that Congress should be exempt from taxes, that would be hypocritical, in my book.

2. I don't know how she got the ticket.  Could have been a gift, certainly.  I'd argue that it's not her "wealth" that would lead someone to want to invite her, though.  I'd argue it's her "celebrity status" or "ability to influence policy", neither of which are the same thing.  I'd also suggest that if she did receive a free ticket, it should be reported as a gift, ensured that it doesn't run afoul of ethics laws, etc.

 
Probably.  I assume they utilize extensive lawyering/accounting to minimize their tax bills, while advocating for higher taxes on people that can't afford that,
this is why I find it hysterical about the whole situation. 

Everyone, even little people like you and me, use the tax codes to save even a dollar if we can. The wealthy have many more loopholes and high powered accountants advising them on ways to shield money. All of it legal under rules that the government has written. 

AOC is in that gov't.

She has a ton more power to make this happen then some nobody wearing a dress like that or sporting the same message.  This is just typical pandering and creating a scene for her own self preservation. She doesn't care what her objectors think, her supporters see that and say "OMG how brave of her!" "Look at her looking out for the little people!" "She's such a political trailblazer!"

Want me to support you AOC? Get on a committee and start rewriting the laws and tax code. Use your position for something other than photoshoots and media opportunities. Stop taking (or writing it on your a$$) and do something about it. But they won't b/c that will hurt themselves and the people who invite them to these galas. 

 
yeah, none of that is "mine".  I didn't make any of it up.  It's not opinion.  There is no room for "belief" here.  Perhaps that's the problem?  Words have meaning.  Pointing that out has nothing to do with "my way".  
You're right, there Isn't. So I'm not sure why you're beholden to sugar coating and pretending that what's going on isn't really what's going on.

Millions of people in history just like you  refuse to see the reality of what's going on to their detriment.  Making excuses hurt you. It doesn't help you.

 
1. Her job (by itself) doesn't pay "ultra-wealth" level, and her specific job doesn't really require "ever increasing taxes".  Some of the policies and programs for which she advocates certainly require additional taxes, but suggesting that those taxes should come from the wealthy isn't hypocritical in and of itself.  If she argued, for example, that Congress should be exempt from taxes, that would be hypocritical, in my book.

2. I don't know how she got the ticket.  Could have been a gift, certainly.  I'd argue that it's not her "wealth" that would lead someone to want to invite her, though.  I'd argue it's her "celebrity status" or "ability to influence policy", neither of which are the same thing.  I'd also suggest that if she did receive a free ticket, it should be reported as a gift, ensured that it doesn't run afoul of ethics laws, etc.


https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2020/04/majority-of-lawmakers-millionaires/
 

Congress is an exclusive club. It’s also a wealthy one. 

More than half of those in Congress are millionaires, data from lawmakers’ most recent personal financial disclosures shows. The median net worth of members of Congress who filed disclosures last year is just over $1 million. 


In AOC's defense, she is one of the least wealthy members, but just being part of the club makes it impossible to get any change done. Good luck getting laws passed that would financially harm those writing it. 

 
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In AOC's defense, she is one of the least wealthy members, but just being part of the club makes it impossible to get any change done. Good luck getting laws passed that would financially harm those writing it. 
Agreed, it is hard to pass such laws.  I suspect that, if AOC were able to do so on her own, that she would significantly increase taxes on the ultra-wealthy.  Naturally, no single Congressperson has that ability.  It's still not hypocritical to advocate for a policy, even if one recognizes that the likelihood of the policy becoming law is slim.  I advocate for proportional representation all the time, even though I recognize it will likely never happen.

 
You're right, there Isn't. So I'm not sure why you're beholden to sugar coating and pretending that what's going on isn't really what's going on.

Millions of people in history just like you  refuse to see the reality of what's going on to their detriment.  Making excuses hurt you. It doesn't help you.
Labeling something correctly or calling out incorrect labels isn't "sugar coating and pretending" :shrug:  

This narrative you've been attempting to drive for the better part of the last 5 years has got to be the longest slippery slope argument ever constructed by man.  We're at about 75 years and counting.

 
Agreed, it is hard to pass such laws.  I suspect that, if AOC were able to do so on her own, that she would significantly increase taxes on the ultra-wealthy.  Naturally, no single Congressperson has that ability.  It's still not hypocritical to advocate for a policy, even if one recognizes that the likelihood of the policy becoming law is slim.  I advocate for proportional representation all the time, even though I recognize it will likely never happen.


Well Pelosi did say "AOC gets lots of publicity but get no votes on her bills"

Question is Should all congress now be invited, or congress from both parties so there is more inclusion at these events?

 
It’s not just that she’s wealthy, she’s wealthy because she has a job that requires ever increasing taxes to aquire/maintain her wealth. Also, she got a free invite from someone, again using her wealth to obtain things others can’t. 
 

Again, I align with the Democratic Party, just not on some tax issues. I pay enough, it’s just used poorly. 


Didn't taxes just get cut under Trump and congress' pay wasn't affected?

 
1. Her job (by itself) doesn't pay "ultra-wealth" level, and her specific job doesn't really require "ever increasing taxes".  Some of the policies and programs for which she advocates certainly require additional taxes, but suggesting that those taxes should come from the wealthy isn't hypocritical in and of itself.  If she argued, for example, that Congress should be exempt from taxes, that would be hypocritical, in my book.

2. I don't know how she got the ticket.  Could have been a gift, certainly.  I'd argue that it's not her "wealth" that would lead someone to want to invite her, though.  I'd argue it's her "celebrity status" or "ability to influence policy", neither of which are the same thing.  I'd also suggest that if she did receive a free ticket, it should be reported as a gift, ensured that it doesn't run afoul of ethics laws, etc.


That's a big problem - government officials are not allowed to accept gifts over a few hundred dollars ($390, if memory serves).

 
Labeling something correctly or calling out incorrect labels isn't "sugar coating and pretending" :shrug:  

This narrative you've been attempting to drive for the better part of the last 5 years has got to be the longest slippery slope argument ever constructed by man.  We're at about 75 years and counting.
Last five years? I've only been here less than two years.  Now I know you're making stuff up

And I am labeling it exactly how it is.  You're the one that's Miss labeling it because oh, I don't know, if you actually label it correctly that means you're kind of on the wrong side of History.

So rather than face that you want to sugarcoat it and make it sound not so bad.

 
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Last five years? I've only been here less than two years.  Now I know you're making stuff up

And I am labeling it exactly how it is.  You're the one that's Miss labeling it because oh, I don't know, if you actually label it correctly that means you're kind of on the wrong side of History.

So rather than face that you want to sugarcoat it and make it sound not so bad.
Again, labeling something correctly or calling out incorrect labels isn't "sugar coating".  For example, when you label the US government funding healthcare as "socialism" despite the fact that they government is NOT taking over the creation and rationing portion, that's incorrect/incomplete.  When it's suggested that our vaccine rollout is the most socialist event we've had in my lifetime (47 years) and you scoff at that.  Both illustrations of the labeling problem we currently have.

Bold is one of my favorite shticks by the way :thumbup:  

 
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Again, labeling something correctly or calling out incorrect labels isn't "sugar coating".  For example, when you label the US government funding healthcare as "socialism" despite the fact that they government is NOT taking over the creation and rationing portion, that's incorrect/incomplete.  When it's suggested that our vaccine rollout is the most socialist event we've had in my lifetime (47 years) and you scoff at that.  Both illustrations of the labeling problem we currently have.

Bold is one of my favorite shticks by the way :thumbup:  


At some point you have to stop making things up, right?  You're not going to be able to hold it all together.  Youre barely holding it together now. :shrug:

I suggest you stick with things you know about, like "OMG!!! TRUMP!!"" instead of pretending things that are happening arent really happening so you dont have to face the truth.

 
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At some point you have to stop making things up, right?  You're not going to be able to hold it all together.  Youre barely holding it together now. :shrug:

I suggest you stick with things you know about, like "OMG!!! TRUMP!!"" instead of pretending things that are happening arent really happening so you dont have to face the truth.
None of this is my thoughts.  It's all stuff you've said in the past.  If it seems chaotic to you, imagine the rest of us watching it getting posted over and over.  :shrug:

Between this and "whatabout BLM!!!!!!" this is 98% of your body of work here.  The only thing I'm left wondering is if you realize you're merely on the other side of the coin you claim to loathe.

 
None of this is my thoughts.  It's all stuff you've said in the past.  If it seems chaotic to you, imagine the rest of us watching it getting posted over and over.  :shrug:

Between this and "whatabout BLM!!!!!!" this is 98% of your body of work here.  The only thing I'm left wondering is if you realize you're merely on the other side of the coin you claim to loathe.


You should probably quit while you're behind. 

 
Yes, specifically the Costume Institute which has an amazing collection.  I was lucky to get an after hours tour one year through work. Still waiting on my Gala invite.    


And nobody that goes pays for what they wear.  It's a showcase for designers of clothing, jewelry, accessories, etc.    

 
Was just pointing out the obvious....outside of that, none of it had anything to do with me.  It's not like everyone else missed it or something. 


With all due respect, you weren't pointing out anything other than the same talking points you always do.  :shrug:

Anyways, you accomplished your goal - you got the virtue likes you wanted from your forum pals AND distracted from the main points of the thread.

I'll keep a better eye out for your stinky bait next time.  :thumbup:

 
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She is, but for reasons that Joe won't allow us to post about any longer.


I don't know.  I think loud-mouthed hypocrites who peddle dangerous ideologies are worth their own thread.  :shrug:

It's always fun to point that they never follow the same rules they want you and me to follow, enriching themselves in the process.

 
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That's a big problem - government officials are not allowed to accept gifts over a few hundred dollars ($390, if memory serves).
And she has ethics complaints being laid against her for accepting a 35k ticket.  0% chance she paid for that herself.

She needs to be censured by the ethics committee and be forced to recompense for the ticket.

 
I don't know.  I think loud-mouthed hypocrites who peddle dangerous ideologies are worth their own thread.  :shrug:

It's always fun to point that they never follow the same rules they want you and me to follow, enriching themselves in the process.
Two peas in a pod, you two. :lol:

 
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And she has ethics complaints being laid against her for accepting a 35k ticket.  0% chance she paid for that herself.

She needs to be censured by the ethics committee and be forced to recompense for the ticket.


Everything I posted above was spot on. 

 
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Instead of being upset at me and following me around for pointing out the truth and the obvious of what's going on, maybe you should turn inward and try to find out why something a simple as the truth makes you so angry. 
:lmao:

Angry...good one :thumbup:

I couldn't be more entertained with an individual on these boards.  "Do as I say, not as I do" is one of the more entertaining faux outrage positions going.

 
I can't keep track.   Am I supposed to be outraged that she did pay for the ticket, or am I supposed to be outraged if she didn't?  

 
I can't keep track.   Am I supposed to be outraged that she did pay for the ticket, or am I supposed to be outraged if she didn't?  
Just saw that Congressional employees can't accept anything over $100.  This was 350x that.  I am chagrined a representative would even consider accepting such a gift.

 
I can't keep track.   Am I supposed to be outraged that she did pay for the ticket, or am I supposed to be outraged if she didn't?  




That is what is tough to figure out what was paid for and what was not.

Ticket was 30K, stayed in a hotel that was 600 a night, was driven around by a chauffeur, makeup was done by a professional makeup artist, wore a designer gown and jewlery.

Hopefully she tipped her driver and makeup artist well if everything was comped.

 
:lmao:

Angry...good one :thumbup:

I couldn't be more entertained with an individual on these boards.  "Do as I say, not as I do" is one of the more entertaining faux outrage positions going.


Sounds like you're trying to convince yourself that you're not an angry, straw man type of guy. 

I would say "be better" but I know you can't.  :shrug:

 
Just saw that Congressional employees can't accept anything over $100.  This was 350x that.  I am chagrined a representative would even consider accepting such a gift.


Not only that, but a Socialist to boot.  The same socialist who rails against the rich attends a gala only the rich have access to.  Let's be clear - she wasn't doing this to prove a point.  She was doing this because she WANTS this type of power, fame and access.  It has nothing to do with a message.  It has everything to do with personal gain.

Again, same story - SMCs rail against money and power until they themselves enter that sphere.  Hypocrites for sure and the lemmings will continue to defend them despite all of the evidence.

 
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