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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Thread (8 Viewers)

timschochet said:
Not ignoring them but I don’t put a lot of emphasis on them. McCaskill is done so I’m not too concerned about her personal feelings. I used to like her but that stopped when she agreed with Trump about the migrant caravan in a shameless attempt to win votes. I lost all respect for her after that. 

Still her point here is valid. I fear if the Democratic Party goes in the direction that Ocasio- Cortez wants, especially on the issue of health care, it’s going to backfire. I don’t think the public is ready for it. Fixing Obamacare and protecting it should be the Democratic platform on this issue. 
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You should....this is the sort of thing that was happening in the GOP for a few years before the rise of the Tea Party.  Look where the GOP is today :shrug:  

 
Johnnymac said:
You know they are scared to death of her and I ####### love it!  

I want her to never shut up, never back down to the demonization.  ####, this #### gets old.  Demonize, demonize, demonize everyone and everything they dont like.  I hope people are catching on to their complete BS.  The GOP has proven over and over again that they cannot govern.
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The idea that a bunch of internet Republicans could shut up a Latina bartender from the Bronx is kind of funny.

Do these guys know what she probably had to put up with at work most nights at her last job?

 
The Commish said:
You should....this is the sort of thing that was happening in the GOP for a few years before the rise of the Tea Party.  Look where the GOP is today :shrug:  
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The Tea Party was a result of a difference in opinion within the GOP over issues- mainly, the base had firm views and were unwilling to compromise. If there is a similar situation arising among Democrats, it will also be over issues, not rhetoric. 

 
Henry Ford said:
The idea that a bunch of internet Republicans could shut up a Latina bartender from the Bronx is kind of funny.

Do these guys know what she probably had to put up with at work most nights at her last job?
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They don’t want to shut her up. They need her loud. They’re always looking for new enemies: no more Obama, no more Hillary, Pelosi won’t be around very long. Cortez will do nicely so long as she stays in the limelight. 

 
The Commish said:
You should....this is the sort of thing that was happening in the GOP for a few years before the rise of the Tea Party.  Look where the GOP is today :shrug:  
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Generally I agree with the idea of the Tea Party "revolution" being a model for grassroots activity and motivating voters. But OTOH Tea Party purity tests and extremism cost the party a number of seats. At the federal level, the GOP is where it is today largely because of the electoral college and because the Senate is effectively "gerrymandered" for them. The Dems don't have that inherent advantage.

Not saying they should turn to centrism broadly, but they need to find a way to avoid the leftist versions of Todd Akin and Sharron Angle and Christine O'Donnell, whatever they might be. There's no path to a Dem majority if they botch three Senate seats like there was for the GOP.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Generally I agree with the idea of the Tea Party "revolution" being a model for grassroots activity and motivating voters. But OTOH Tea Party purity tests and extremism cost the party a number of seats. At the federal level, the GOP is where it is today largely because of the electoral college and because the Senate is effectively "gerrymandered" for them. The Dems don't have that inherent advantage.

Not saying they should turn to centrism broadly, but they need to find a way to avoid the leftist versions of Todd Akin and Sharron Angle and Christine O'Donnell, whatever they might be. There's no path to a Dem majority if they botch three Senate seats like there was for the GOP.
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Yeah, I get the political game and consequences and how that works.  That really doesn't concern me as much as having a two party system where neither party is functioning because of huge cracks created in the party by the party's representatives.  I don't see a way around the things you outline above if the party isn't a cohesive unit to begin with.

 
timschochet said:
The Tea Party was a result of a difference in opinion within the GOP over issues- mainly, the base had firm views and were unwilling to compromise. If there is a similar situation arising among Democrats, it will also be over issues, not rhetoric. 
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You aren't being honest with yourself with regard to what's happening in the party IMO.  If things don't change they aren't going to be much different than the dysfunctional GOP before too long.  

 
The Commish said:
You aren't being honest with yourself with regard to what's happening in the party IMO.  If things don't change they aren't going to be much different than the dysfunctional GOP before too long.  
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Well I haven’t been a Democrat very long. But I always sort of figured dysfunction was more or less a permanent feature. 

 
huthut said:
The Tea Party was 100% astroturfed, and had nothing to do with voters strong beliefs. It was fully funded before people knew it existed. 
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The actual truth is a lot more complicated. 

It began as a grass roots populist movement. It was quickly taken over by Republican donors who cynically saw it as a means to rile up the base. But what happened next is that the base went wild, choosing candidates which the donors had no desire to support- up to and including Donald Trump. The donors opened up a Pandora’s Box, but once they did they couldn’t control it. 

 
The Commish said:
You aren't being honest with yourself with regard to what's happening in the party IMO.  If things don't change they aren't going to be much different than the dysfunctional GOP before too long.  
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What is an example of dysfunction among the democrats?

 
Daywalker said:
What is an example of dysfunction among the democrats?
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I'm not sure they are to the stage of actual dysfunction just yet.  It's my belief that they are on the path to it though.  There's no question there is a battle in the party on direction the party should go.  They had significant issues passing healthcare legislation.  Look at what Obama proposed vs what was actually passed.  An "independent" fit their alleged platform better than any self identified Democrat last election.  That's a problem.  The leadership is old and so are the policies they bring to the table.  All these things, along with others, need to change in order for their course to change, otherwise I don't see them avoiding a complete fracture like the GOP has gone through leaving a good chunk of their base with no home.

 
I don't facebook much. However, it is hilarious to see some old high school classmates who 1) barely graduated high school, 2) still live with their parents (unsure on this but definitely a possibility), 3) have some menial labor instensive job making little money - post meme after meme about AOC. This dudes politics are not very nuanced and I doubt he knows a thing about her other than she is some socialist who is somehow going to make his ####ty life even worse (unsure if this is possible)

 
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the moops said:
I don't facebook much. However, it is hilarious to see some old high school classmates who 1) barely graduated high school, 2) still live with their parents (unsure on this but definitely a possibility), 3) have some menial labor instensive job making little money - post meme after meme about AOC. This dudes politics are not very nuanced and I doubt he knows a thing about her other than she is some socialist who is somehow going to make his ####ty life even worse (unsure if this is possible)
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let me guess, the Chinese restaurant sign?

 
JuniorNB said:
This is hilarious. I thought it was just the bottom level soldiers who were scared of her. Republican Congressman too?  I'm not sure I realized the effect she's had on the national scene already. 
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Yup. She is the human form of their own short-sightedness and shrinking appeal across age, race, gender,, and geographic lines.  And they have no idea what to do with her, so they just keep making themselves look more bitter and out of touch. It's amazing to watch.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Yup. She is the human form of their own short-sightedness and shrinking appeal across age, race, gender,, and geographic lines.  And they have no idea what to do with her, so they just keep making themselves look more bitter and out of touch. It's amazing to watch.
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Booing a young, female, minority congresswoman who's young enough to be their daughter. Definitely a snapshot of the changing of the guard. And why.

 
Yeah, remember the meme-to-be graphic FoxNews put up of her, that listed all the issues she wanted? I have a feeling we'll be seeing that regularly for quite some time.

 
timschochet said:
The actual truth is a lot more complicated. 

It began as a grass roots populist movement. It was quickly taken over by Republican donors who cynically saw it as a means to rile up the base. But what happened next is that the base went wild, choosing candidates which the donors had no desire to support- up to and including Donald Trump. The donors opened up a Pandora’s Box, but once they did they couldn’t control it. 
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And it's a complete joke in the wake of any thing related to financial responsibility over the last 24 months.  Anything they ever stood for is now a joke.

 
"As we've seen from the video, my opponent was cool and fun to be around in high school.  What happened to being bookish and introverted and making saving throws against poison when a kobold gets a lucky initiative roll?"

 
"Look, a high school student acting like a high school student! This is so unfamiliar from the spawning pools of R... I mean the high school that studious GOP congressmen are from".

 
IvanKaramazov said:
"As we've seen from the video, my opponent was cool and fun to be around in high school.  What happened to being bookish and introverted and making saving throws against poison when a kobold gets a lucky initiative roll?"
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"What happened to the good old days when a respectable high school student would drink beer and do a Devil's Triangle with Renate?"

 
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It's kind of hilarious to see the right struggle to demonize her. They'll figure it out eventually, but trying to attack her has backfired on them and helped her at every step thus far. Old people trying to use new media to take on someone raised in the internet era is painful to watch. 

 
IvanKaramazov said:
"As we've seen from the video, my opponent was cool and fun to be around in high school.  What happened to being bookish and introverted and making saving throws against poison when a kobold gets a lucky initiative roll?"
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Reminds me of when the Fox News reporter went to one of her rallies to see what all the fuss is about:

"I saw how easy it would be, as a parent, to accept the idea that my children deserve healthcare and education."

"I saw how easy it would be, as someone who has struggled to make ends meet, to accept the idea that a “living wage” was a human right."

"Above all, I saw how easy it would be to accept the notion that it was the government’s job to make sure that those things were provided."

EXACTLY.

 
I like her and think she's refreshing. But I don't get the sense that people are scared of her. Underestimate maybe, think she's an easy target, probably. When you get popular, people make memes about you and cruel ones at that.

 
jamny said:
I like her and think she's refreshing. But I don't get the sense that people are scared of her. Underestimate maybe, think she's an easy target, probably. When you get popular, people make memes about you and cruel ones at that.
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Nah. They consider her a threat. That's why they're going out of their way to find something, anything, to discredit her.  

 
JuniorNB said:
Nah. They consider her a threat. That's why they're going out of their way to find something, anything, to discredit her.  
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It seems to happen in every walk of life nowadays. Gain some popularity and people start digging into your history to discredit you for many reasons. Fear, jealousy or just to be a troll. Most people on the right that I've seen don't take her serious enough to fear her.

 
jamny said:
It seems to happen in every walk of life nowadays. Gain some popularity and people start digging into your history to discredit you for many reasons. Fear, jealousy or just to be a troll. Most people on the right that I've seen don't take her serious enough to fear her.
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You are so, so wrong. They take her very seriously. She's everything the old guard hates.

 
jamny said:
It seems to happen in every walk of life nowadays. Gain some popularity and people start digging into your history to discredit you for many reasons. Fear, jealousy or just to be a troll. Most people on the right that I've seen don't take her serious enough to fear her.
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This thread was started because Ben Shapiro, the leading under-40 "intellectual" of the modern conservative movement, challenged her to a debate. There are stories about her on Fox News every day. I just posted a report that Republicans in the House booed her when she rose to vote for House speaker- they didn't even boo the speaker herself.

I don't know which people on the right you're seeing, but it ain't the same people I'm seeing.

 
TobiasFunke said:
This thread was started because Ben Shapiro, the leading under-40 "intellectual" of the modern conservative movement, challenged her to a debate. There are stories about her on Fox News every day. I just posted a report that Republicans in the House booed her when she rose to vote for House speaker- they didn't even boo the speaker herself.

I don't know which people on the right you're seeing, but it ain't the same people I'm seeing.
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I don't get how any of that represents fear but ok. Shapiro smelled ratings. And I usually leave Fox News on while working (but muted) in case some news breaks and rarely see her mentioned. Surely not every day. Unless you're talking about the nighttime opinion shows, which I never watch. An I listened to the vote and it sounds like one person booed.  I'm just saying, amongst my friends that seem to post things about her, it's usually dismissive of her. I don't get any sense of fear from it. A vast majority of my right leaning friends ignore her. I think some of you might be so wrapped up in politics, these things get amplified in your worlds. Since neither side can be proven, I'll leave it at that.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
"As we've seen from the video, my opponent was cool and fun to be around in high school.  What happened to being bookish and introverted and making saving throws against poison when a kobold gets a lucky initiative roll?"
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What a time to be alive that dancing around happily is a no-no in politics.  That video makes her way better in my book.

 
Henry Ford said:
She's doing the Breakfast Club dances.

Is this supposed to make me dislike her?
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You have to look at it from the perspective of a curmudgeony old has-been who's constituency has him trapped into foregoing all of his morals to support a criminal.  .

 
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