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WR N'Keal Harry - CHI (1 Viewer)
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Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
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He just got an upgrade (probably) @ QB. The owner of Harry will probably try to jack up the price due to that. I'd wait a bit and see if the hype goes down.
Ilov80s
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tombonneau
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I had an owner sniffing around. But most people paid a high first for him so why sell him for much less with a likely better QB for his style plus a hopeful healthy season?
Your best bet is trying to lump him into a bigger deal.
Why is a QB whose biggest weakness is accuracy a better fit for a WR who can't get separation against linebackers let alone actual corners?
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Just find it fascinating how different the narrative is for JJAW--who was considered a project and a 2 to 3 year guy--compared to Harry--who was considered a polished product.
JJAW has the better QB, better offense and both failed to produce despite having an open depth chart last year
Personally I think they're both scrubs but still interesting how different the spin is
JJAW has the better QB, better offense and both failed to produce despite having an open depth chart last year
Personally I think they're both scrubs but still interesting how different the spin is
rockaction
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It's fascinating but reasonable. The NEP didn't go out and get a bunch of receivers on the market and in the draft. They're pretty much stuck with Edelman and Harry until further notice.
Andy Dufresne
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Harry could be Newton's new version of Kelvin Benjamin. Similar type player and skill set combination.
Andy Dufresne
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2014 was more than okay and the first year back after the ACL tear wasn't awful either. The wheels fell off after he left Carolina.
Not every WR is a Tyreek Hill type player.
I am of the belief that any NFL WR can put up yardage numbers if force fed targets--and that's exactly what KB was a case of on a Panthers team with no WRs
Even his good seasons hovered around a 50% catch rate, 7.something yards per target and overall awful efficiency
They don't have to be Tyreek Hill but they have to be able to run routes properly
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He still doesn't make an effort on the second cut. Granted we're looking at backyard practice videos, but it's a bad habit one site pointed out last year and I'd like it to stop ringing in my ears. He's coverable. He's Mike Williams and Corey Davis. He's....never reaching his potential til he puts the same work in on that second cut as he did on the first.
Turn your head and watch Edelman! Watch Fitz. Watch old Rice videos. Heck watch Jeudy or Lamb.
One cut might do it for him against man but it means so very little against a zone
I am on this train the second he shows effort in his second (and maybe third) cuts but there's just no way until I see that
Turn your head and watch Edelman! Watch Fitz. Watch old Rice videos. Heck watch Jeudy or Lamb.
One cut might do it for him against man but it means so very little against a zone
I am on this train the second he shows effort in his second (and maybe third) cuts but there's just no way until I see that
Ilov80s
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Kelvin Benjamin was nothing like N'Keal Harry as prospects. Benjamin ran a 4.61, 32.5 vertical.
Harry ran 4.53 with a 38.5 vert. He also more than doubled KB on the bench press.
If you look at NFLCombineResults.com and compare the 2, Harry scored an A and KB scored a C.
Plus there is dominator rating, breakout age, etc. Harry was also a YAC specialist in college, KB was not. Harry may or may not workout, but he's a far better athlete and prospect than Kelvin Benjamin.
Harry ran 4.53 with a 38.5 vert. He also more than doubled KB on the bench press.
If you look at NFLCombineResults.com and compare the 2, Harry scored an A and KB scored a C.
Plus there is dominator rating, breakout age, etc. Harry was also a YAC specialist in college, KB was not. Harry may or may not workout, but he's a far better athlete and prospect than Kelvin Benjamin.
Johnny B. Goode
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Ilov80s
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Not even close. Treadwell's combine was an F. He ran a 4.64 with a 33.5 inch vert. His dominator rating (share of his college offense) was average where Harry's was elite. Treadwell also put 12 reps where Harry put up 27. The only thing they have in common was that they are about the same size. Harry is stronger, faster, more explosive and was far more productive in college.
Treadwell’s combine was worse—no debating that
But his overall trajectory is quite similar: broke out early in a stronger conference and was considered a top 15 pick and dynasty 1.1 a year before the draft, wasn’t the first WR drafted before slipping to what many considered a top notch landing spot that propped him up to 1.2 ahead of the WR taken above them but with concerns being his inability to separate and the trickiness of winning 50/50 balls (especially for Harry who couldn’t separate from Pac 12 linebackers let alone SEC corners)
His production being more doesn’t mean to me though considering the strength of conferences, the fact that Harry was the only WR ASU had and thus force fed and Treadwell’s gruesome leg injury in 2014
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Ilov80s
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There are some similarities with trajectory, no doubt. As for production, I am referring to dominator rating and not raw stats. Dominator evens the college playing field quite bit by looking at the % of receiving yards/TDs relative to the team totals. So it creates a way to compare a WR who plays for a pass happy team like Washington State with a WR who plays for a low volume passing offense like Iowa. It's not a perfect comparison and the competition in the SEC was definitely better. I wouldn't say Harry was the only WR ASU had. As a matter of fact, Harry was sharing the field with another 1st round NFL draft pick. Treadwell's gruesome injury is another reason not to comp him with Harry. N'Keal has a much cleaner bill of health. I don't think there is any comparison between the 2 as prospects. Harry had literally everything one wanted in a WR except the film guys thought he didn't create enough separation. Treadwell had some of the same criticisms but it was the film grinders who were propping him up.
Ilov80s
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Again to emphasize how much better of an athlete Harry is, he and Aiyuk split punt return duties in 2018. Harry averaged 17 yards per return and scored a long TD against USC. Aiyuk averaged 6 per return. The following year, Aiyuk who received a lot credit for being dangerous in the open field and as a return man, averaged 16 per return with 1 TD. Some of that is random chance but I think it's forgotten how dangerous in the open field Harry was in college.
Andy Dufresne
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I only meant that a Harry/Newton connection may be similar in style to Benjamin/Newton.
Ilov80s
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Gotcha and I totally agree. Newton seems to know how to use big body jump ball WRs. I am bullish for this year though as this thread shows, I am a major N'Keal Harry fan.
I am aware of dominator rating and know Harry has a great analytic profile: 18 year old breakout, junior declare, high end dominator, target share, etcIlov80s said:
One of the big reasons Aiyuk is DND to me is the fact he couldn't do s*** until he was a 21 year old senior--thus not passing the analytic requirement
But I can't just look at analytics, and Harry passes that part while failing miserably in the film department with how he wore defenders like a t-shirt, like Reagor for me in this class (though he fails the film test for different reasons)
Nothing he did as a rookie changed my mind and I like the landing spot even less now than I did a year ago
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Zyphros
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https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/1297648889277952006
Mike Reiss paints a much different picture than Harry doing well in practice
Mike Reiss paints a much different picture than Harry doing well in practice
matuski
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Craig_MiamiFL
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It's a tweet from Sunday. Last 2 days of Reiss on Harry jives with others posted above from Monday/Tuesday sessions
Faust
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Anarchy99
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He isn’t that good? He can’t separate, he can’t catch, and he isn’t that fast. The only think he is good is fighting for jump balls in the red zone. In camp, the media said he made a couple of unbelievable catches where he ripped the ball out of the hands of defenders. But simple catches . . . Not so much. At least that’s been how things have gone so far. Maybe he can still get better, but he hasn’t shown all that much yet.
He should be a red-zone target, like he was late last year. He could do well on broken plays, with Cam throwing the ball. He went in round 14 of my 16 team league, which seems too late in hind-sight.
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