So our “tough guy” president is evacuating Syria like Saigon.The SecDef then went on to say we are taking urgent steps to resolve the problem. What’s that Wallace asked? Pulling our remaining troops out of Syria.
This can't be repeated often enough.Our mere presence, even if just 50 troops, was preventing this from happening
The videos of this incident that are circulating on twitter - scarily by reputable journalists - are appalling.
The laughing stock of the world. Every country and every language the media of the world mocks his tweets and speeches. It’s worse than embarrassing. Shame is absolutely the right word.Yeah. The damage is done though, across so many domains. I’m ashamed of this country.
Good ole MAGA in action.The laughing stock of the world. Every country and every language the media of the world mocks his tweets and speeches. It’s worse than embarrassing. Shame is absolutely the right word.
Bet you feel great about US military spending right about nowSo we pulled out because we were afraid Turkey would attack us? That is what the admin is going with?
What in your experience makes you think Republicans will acknowledge that trump did something wrong here?Republicans going to be mad how they cant make France jokes anymore.
Trump Supporters: "We have always been at war with Eastasia"What in your experience makes you think Republicans will acknowledge that trump did something wrong here?
Probably, but the "Brave Sir Robin" song is well in boundsAre the nazi comparisons still out of bounds?
Tell Mitch McConnell. The other side has been trying to prevent things like this for two and a half years.Trump is a coward and a Russian patsy. This is his doing and he needs to answer for it now.
He's a coward as well for refusing to do his job. Now we have gridlock far out the ###, a president who openly flouts the law, abandons our allies for foreign powers' whims, and refuses to listen to others.Tell Mitch McConnell. The other side has been trying to prevent things like this for two and a half years.
Yes.He's a coward as well for refusing to do his job. Now we have gridlock far out the ###, a president who openly flouts the law, abandons our allies for foreign powers' whims, and refuses to listen to others.
Is this what it's like to see your nation be reduced to a third world country?
Hey, at least we don’t have a president that wears pantsuits and bleaches emails.He's a coward as well for refusing to do his job. Now we have gridlock far out the ###, a president who openly flouts the law, abandons our allies for foreign powers' whims, and refuses to listen to others.
Is this what it's like to see your nation be reduced to a third world country?
She has her own plethora of issues, and in ways is worse, but she wouldn't abandon the Kurds to die.Hey, at least we don’t have a president that wears pantsuits and bleaches emails.
But, but, Trump Towers IstanbulTrump is a coward and a Russian patsy. This is his doing and he needs to answer for it now.
Weird how that works out. The Kurds are now aligned with Russia and Syria. Erdogan, Assad, and Putin get significantly stronger, the US gets significantly weaker. ISIS gets a thousand soldiers back, including dozens of leaders.Kurds cut a deal with Russia and Assad for protection earlier today. Remains to be seen if this stops Turkey entirely but this isn't much better news for Kurds. Trump can say something about stopping Turkey, I guess, with the threat of economic sanctions while Kurds are now under the "protection" of Assad and Russa. Putin met with Erdogan a few weeks ago and I suspect this plan was cooked up then and there. Kurds can hope to retreat into Iraq, I guess, but staying in Syria means fighting for Assad to quell ISIS.
i feel like ISIS is stuck now, frankly. Assad, Kurds, Russians, and Turks all around them. US is evacuating the 1000 troops in Syria now and moving them to either Iraq or KSA maybe. I'm just waiting for how Trump and his cronies spin this. Maybe it's "we're leaving the ME", "fighting Iran with our troops in KSA" but this will only be warmly greeted by the Fox and whackadoodle crowd.Weird how that works out. The Kurds are now aligned with Russia and Syria. Erdogan, Assad, and Putin get significantly stronger, the US gets significantly weaker. ISIS gets a thousand soldiers back, including dozens of leaders.
Is this what winning so much we get sick of it feels like?
I hope it goes bankrupt, along with all of his other properties.
"We had to evacuate or else Turkey would have attacked us"The Secretary of Defense is telling the exact same lie on Fox. He insists that Turkey would have attacked anyhow right through our troops, right through our superior air power, and that if we hadn’t gotten out of the way we would be at war with Turkey.
Incredible such crap. If I were Chris Wallace I would have asked, “will you release the phone call between President Trump and Erdogan in order to prove what you are claiming is correct???”
and also shouldn't that mean that Trump would now be putting in massive economic consequences and crippling the Turkish economy?"We had to evacuate or else Turkey would have attacked us"
Jesus, man.
This isn't Saigon.
But he’s acting tough, so it’ll be alrightSo our “tough guy” president is evacuating Syria like Saigon.
I don’t know, it sounds like Turkey asked us not to according to his tweet.and also shouldn't that mean that Trump would now be putting in massive economic consequences and crippling the Turkish economy?
Difference of opinion. Remain civil.Are the nazi comparisons still out of bounds?
what is "our responsibility" ??They could and should do more. How does that lessen our own responsibility?
I would think - at a minimum - do no harm.what is "our responsibility" ??
I would think - at a minimum - do no harm.
We could have forced a status quo - simply by remaining in the area.
We were in a perfect position to mediate any disputes between Turkey and the Kurd - without a shot fired, or an American life risked.
If we told Turkey that the Kurds were under our protection, and an attack on the Kurds is an Attack on the US - Turkey does not act.
If we told the Kurds that we would protect them, but that any incursions against Turkey would nullify that protection, Turkey would have been assured against any threats from the Kurds.
Instead, we said - hey we are leaving, good luck everyone! That was not acting in anyone's best interests (well, maybe Turkey and Russia). And, we damaged our standing in the world as a reliable ally, once again. Reputations are hard to earn, but easy to tear down. It will take decades to rebuild the trust from the international community.
Do you believe that we had and have an interest regarding ISIS?is it our responsibility to do any of the above?
how many civil wars/conflicts are waging in the world today? why is the Turkey/Syria thing so high profile?
how many African nations are in a similar state? do we have a responsibility to go into every country in the world and force things?
I don't know - it seems like if we try to police the world, we're seen as evil, if we pull out and let them be, we're seen as evil ............... nothing Trump did would have been given credit by Democrats, they're anti-xxx on everything all the time. :(
Primarily because we were doing the most good with the fewest people there. The excuse provided by this president was that he wanted us out of "endless wars" yet he chose to focus on the worst bang for our buck by that standard.why is the Turkey/Syria thing so high profile?
that JV terrorist group ?Do you believe that we had and have an interest regarding ISIS?
The Kurds and the US fought against ISIS together. With them doing most of the fighting for us. Until a few days ago. That's our interest.that JV terrorist group ?
only for a decade or more .... so this is all about ISIS ?
https://nypost.com/2019/10/08/how-obamas-team-set-up-trumps-syrian-dilemma/The Kurds and the US fought against ISIS together. With them doing most of the fighting for us. Until a few days ago. That's our interest.
I look forward to your scouting report from the combine.that JV terrorist group ?
only for a decade or more .... so this is all about ISIS ?
It's an opinion piecehttps://nypost.com/2019/10/08/how-obamas-team-set-up-trumps-syrian-dilemma/
is that an accurate article ?
It has accurate parts. This in particular is a tremendously misleading characterization at best, and a major basis of the article's viewpoint:https://nypost.com/2019/10/08/how-obamas-team-set-up-trumps-syrian-dilemma/
is that an accurate article ?
It's also important to note that Kurds in Iraq were (and are) a major part of the strategy there, as well.The YPG is the Syrian wing of the PKK, the Kurdish separatist group in Turkey.
yes - as world citizens, let alone supposed world leadersis it our responsibility to do any of the above?
how many civil wars/conflicts are waging in the world today? why is the Turkey/Syria thing so high profile?
how many African nations are in a similar state? do we have a responsibility to go into every country in the world and force things?
I don't know - it seems like if we try to police the world, we're seen as evil, if we pull out and let them be, we're seen as evil ............... nothing Trump did would have been given credit by Democrats, they're anti-xxx on everything all the time. :(
How about you decide who you'll talk to and I decide who I'll talk to. Sound good?Why are you guys wasting your time? Doesn’t his “contributions” to the gun control discussion provide enough evidence why this will do no good? Even by answering his questions you give a certain level of credibility to his insipid ideas.
Isolationism is a poisonous way to think. Full stop. It’s lazy, stupid, and the people who argue it from our President on Down are low information, and unable or unwilling to look at the consequences of their actions. Like bigotry, like racism, like Nazism and Communism, isolationism is an idea that doesn’t deserve to be argued against. It deserves to be kicked in the head.