The Football Freak
Footballguy
Wow. A quarter of the nations Covid cases are coming from his state, and he still can’t show a little self control and compassion? Karma can be pretty ugly, Ron.
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The Football Freak
Footballguy
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
Did I just hear that right, that he is threatening to cut funding to school districts that implement mask mandates?
Osaurus
Footballguy
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The Commish
Footballguy
Yup....and the state isn't providing the funding for online that was provided last year. Several counties have an online option already and those will continue, but in our case, if we choose to do that, our kids lose their spot at the school they're in and would have to go back on the waiting list for future years.
The Commish
Footballguy
A majority of them get their "news" from social media. The ONLY reason I keep any social media accounts anymore is to see what is coming down the pike in the form of legislation. That's where this state is right now.
Rationally though no matter where your news comes from I just can't believe that anyone supports this
Rich Conway
Footballguy
I know, i'm just surprised it has truly come to "I would rather die then make it look like the other team is winning. In fact, let the kids die because I just want to be right"
I honestly just thought i would never see public health become politicized.
The Commish
Footballguy
"sides" are a helluva drug.
And when social media is set up the way it is and their goal is to keep your attention by any means necessary rather than provide quality information, it's easy to see how reality can be defined and warped quickly.
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ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
OK, first of all, let's not get too smug, especially considering DeSantis is likely to get re-elected next year by a healthy margin.
Also, I've said before that I think DeSantis is a very smart guy, and I think you're underestimating a key insight he's had:
It's inevitable that, with an event as disruptive as a pandemic, a good chunk of the population is going to chafe at having their routines disrupted to the point where they will want to downplay the threat. With a pure-id politician like Trump, that sentiment got expressed in really dumb formulations ("This will all disappear", "Slow the testing down", etc.) The problem politically is that while that may appeal to the die-hards, most voters don't like to think of themselves as dumb, so many of them will recoil from those ideas, as well as the politicians who espouse them.
What DeSantis has done, though, is construct an intellectual framework that allows people to self-justify their desire to minimize Covid. Now, not only are you not dumb for being opposed to vaccines or mask mandates, you're actually smarter than all the sheeple who mindlessly follow the diktats of that discredited loser Fauci.
From a purely cynical political calculus, it's ingenious.
Also, I've said before that I think DeSantis is a very smart guy, and I think you're underestimating a key insight he's had:
It's inevitable that, with an event as disruptive as a pandemic, a good chunk of the population is going to chafe at having their routines disrupted to the point where they will want to downplay the threat. With a pure-id politician like Trump, that sentiment got expressed in really dumb formulations ("This will all disappear", "Slow the testing down", etc.) The problem politically is that while that may appeal to the die-hards, most voters don't like to think of themselves as dumb, so many of them will recoil from those ideas, as well as the politicians who espouse them.
What DeSantis has done, though, is construct an intellectual framework that allows people to self-justify their desire to minimize Covid. Now, not only are you not dumb for being opposed to vaccines or mask mandates, you're actually smarter than all the sheeple who mindlessly follow the diktats of that discredited loser Fauci.
From a purely cynical political calculus, it's ingenious.
No it's not genius at all...people will suffer, people will die and there will be long-term negative implications to his approach
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Yes, I agree. And I should have added that, even from that cynical viewpoint, it could easily blow up in his face. (It certainly is right now, although I'm sure we're due for a bunch more Covid swings before next November).
My main point was really that, whether or not it ultimately works for him will be determined by what happens with the pandemic, but we should not underestimate the psychological appeal of that kind of message.
I'm a believer that if the bodies start piling up and the hospitals are full that you have on your hands the worse possible political situation. So a risk yes but if it goes wrong it has the ability to absolutely destroy him
But i understand what you are saying here...he is trying to delicately split the difference
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Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
I agree. I think he would be favored to get re-elected anyway. He seems to be popular in Florida. Why take this risk? If Florida hospitals start to look like a war zone compared with the rest of the country, the blame will all fall at DeSantis' feet.
Joe Mammy
Footballguy
Yesterday Biden asked FL and TX govs to help or step aside.
Today DeSantis drew swords with Biden and said he's doesn't want to hear "blip" from him about covid until he controls the border.
Then Nikki Fried comes on MSNBC with Ari Melber and addresses DeSantis, "don't you say blip to my pres. And will you do anything regarding the covid explosion in FL?"
FL #1 in everything!!!!!
Today DeSantis drew swords with Biden and said he's doesn't want to hear "blip" from him about covid until he controls the border.
Then Nikki Fried comes on MSNBC with Ari Melber and addresses DeSantis, "don't you say blip to my pres. And will you do anything regarding the covid explosion in FL?"
FL #1 in everything!!!!!
That one guy
Footballguy
Which border of ours is in need of controlling, Georgia or Alabama?
The Commish
Footballguy
Maybe I am missing something, but I don't see this in his comments at all. What I DO see is a lot of "if the big bad government is going to come in and try and do X to my citizens, I'm not going to let it happen" where X is never anything close to what the big bad government has ever said they wanted to do. He is an absolute master strawman slayer. There's no question about that.ignatiusjreilly said:
The new twist in all of this has been in the last 6ish months or so where the claim has become one that he's going to protect from big bad federal government overreach with big bad state government overreach. I can get on board with people who believe THAT is the line he's trying to walk, but it's not going well. Those who were already on his side are cheering him sure, but everyone else is looking at him like WTF?! He's not winning new people over with that stuff here in Central Florida.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I was thinking more of his long-term strategy. Look, you and I and most of the people in this thread were always going to be predisposed to take the virus seriously, for a host of reasons, so his arguments were never going to resonate with us. But a large chunk of people, particularly in the GOP base, were going to want to minimize it. By providing them with an intellectual framework for doing so, DeSantis makes them feel better about themselves, and grateful to him.
It's a horrible and cynical strategy and it may not even work, but we shouldn't underestimate its power.
The Commish
Footballguy
Sorry, I missed what you said initially. I have NO IDEA what his messages are on the virus, it's seriousness, problems it presents etc. I have heard blurbs from him saying he recommends going and getting vaccinated so I'm not sure how that fits the framework but, to be honest, I've not listened to the first thing he's said about the vaccines themselves and philosophy that might come from that line of thought. His general message in terms of policy around it seems to be "leave it to you to decide until you don't decide the way I would". That and what I mentioned above and being the best at creating straw men and attacking them pretty much cause me to tune him out. If I'm being honest, I've tuned pretty much all politicians out when it comes to their opinions on vaccines. I'll stick with the data for now.
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
Biden just now on DeSantis's attempt to blame the federal government of FL's COVID surge:
"Governor who?"
"Governor who?"
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I had read about it, but I finally got around to watching the video of DeSantis' "blip" speech. I think my friend is right that the pressure is getting to him. He sounds super defensive, just blame shifting on everything. It's air conditioning! It's the immigrants! IT WASN'T MY FAULT I SWEAR TO GOD!!!!!
The Hope Scholarship was created to allow students to transfer out of schools where they have been bullied. The GOP in Florida want to let parents apply for the scholarship if their kids feel bullied by mask mandates or vaccine policies. But it works both ways:
>>Caller just asked if the proposed emergency rule will allow parents to apply for vouchers to send their kids to "safe schools that require masks." State Board of Education members does not answer. Click. Another caller asks the same. *silence* Click.
The @EducationFL has not clarified that question either. But the parents who perceive "covid-19 harassment" of their child would be allowed to apply for a Hope scholarship. One could argue it depends on what a parent perceives to be "COVID-19 harassment."
My kids are worried they are going to face “COVID-19 harassment” like their little brother did when he was the only child at summer camp to wear a mask<<
https://mobile.twitter.com/anaceballos_/status/1423671944633794561
>>Caller just asked if the proposed emergency rule will allow parents to apply for vouchers to send their kids to "safe schools that require masks." State Board of Education members does not answer. Click. Another caller asks the same. *silence* Click.
The @EducationFL has not clarified that question either. But the parents who perceive "covid-19 harassment" of their child would be allowed to apply for a Hope scholarship. One could argue it depends on what a parent perceives to be "COVID-19 harassment."
My kids are worried they are going to face “COVID-19 harassment” like their little brother did when he was the only child at summer camp to wear a mask<<
https://mobile.twitter.com/anaceballos_/status/1423671944633794561
The new Emergency Rule from Florida DOE.
>>So school districts can have their "mandatory" mask rules under this, but parents must be allowed to opt out from them. Well that sounds like optional masks with extra steps!<<
https://mobile.twitter.com/ALAtterbury/status/1423676282362028042
>>So school districts can have their "mandatory" mask rules under this, but parents must be allowed to opt out from them. Well that sounds like optional masks with extra steps!<<
https://mobile.twitter.com/ALAtterbury/status/1423676282362028042
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
FL with 13,500 hospitalizations and 199 deaths yesterday with a 7 day moving average of 90 deaths per day, up from 50 per day last week.
NY with 1,000 hospitalizations and 7 deaths yesterday with a 7 day moving average of 6 deaths per day.
Similar sized populations in the two states.
Guys FL is in serious trouble with this. The Delta variant is worse on kids. Enough with the politics and virtue signaling. This guy is getting people killed.
NY with 1,000 hospitalizations and 7 deaths yesterday with a 7 day moving average of 6 deaths per day.
Similar sized populations in the two states.
Guys FL is in serious trouble with this. The Delta variant is worse on kids. Enough with the politics and virtue signaling. This guy is getting people killed.
sho nuff
Footballguy
House Speaker in TN has done similar. Threatening calls for a special session if districts mandate masks or shut down due to COVID. Have not heard yet if he will follow through as Nashville Schools have a mask mandate now (school starting next week)
DeSantis, who is Catholic, can't do anything about this:
Archdiocese of Miami’s Catholic schools to require unvaccinated students to wear face masks
>>The Archdiocese of Miami’s Catholic schools will be requiring face masks for those who have not been vaccinated against COVID during the beginning of the 2021-22 school year.
Unvaccinated students don’t have to wear face masks when they are outdoors, playing sports, or eating. This includes children under 12 who are not yet eligible for the vaccine. Those who are vaccinated and are able to provide proof have the option to wear or not to wear a face mask.
“We believe this is the right policy for us given the current state of the pandemic,” said Jim Rigg, the new cabinet secretary of education and superintendent of schools for the Archdiocese of Miami. “Our Catholic Church has a consistent ethic of human life. We believe that we have to take safety seriously in our schools.”<<
Archdiocese of Miami’s Catholic schools to require unvaccinated students to wear face masks
>>The Archdiocese of Miami’s Catholic schools will be requiring face masks for those who have not been vaccinated against COVID during the beginning of the 2021-22 school year.
Unvaccinated students don’t have to wear face masks when they are outdoors, playing sports, or eating. This includes children under 12 who are not yet eligible for the vaccine. Those who are vaccinated and are able to provide proof have the option to wear or not to wear a face mask.
“We believe this is the right policy for us given the current state of the pandemic,” said Jim Rigg, the new cabinet secretary of education and superintendent of schools for the Archdiocese of Miami. “Our Catholic Church has a consistent ethic of human life. We believe that we have to take safety seriously in our schools.”<<
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
GoBirds
Footballguy
the moops
Footballguy
What does your response have to do with the fact that FL has 13 times the number of people in hospitals than NY?
GoBirds
Footballguy
The politician killing people schtick is rich, keep it up fellas at least you guys buy each other’s spin I guess. Oof.
LOL at NY being used as any symbol of success….hasn’t everyone flocked to other states after how bad the first strain was handled?
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squistion
Footballguy
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
NY had nearly 20 million residents before the pandemic and has nearly 20 million residents now. But I see that take in all the regular places consisting of people who’ve spent maybe a few days there or have never been there. New Yorkers are safely enjoying a beautiful summer and not filling up hospitals. I know that actual fact goes against the common tropes in the bubble that wants to think that NY is this or NY is that. The fact is that NY is orders of magnitude better in handling Covid than FL right now and the steps taken by local and state governments contribute to that.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Really enjoying the NYers with the "Your Governor sucks" shtick in here 
GoBirds
Footballguy
It’s almost as priceless as Cuomo writing a book about how great they did.Really enjoying the NYers with the "Your Governor sucks" shtick in here
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It’s almost as priceless as Cuomo writing a book about how great they did.
The takes in here are almost as bad as Fauci's COVID takes last year.What does your response have to do with the fact that New York has higher death rate then Florida?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
Death rates by state fyi. Floridians and southern states mostly indoors now with the hot summers where the spread of covid more rampant. Not surprising.
Death rates by state fyi. Floridians and southern states mostly indoors now with the hot summers where the spread of covid more rampant. Not surprising.
My state has taken in roughly 50k New Yorkers since start of pandemic. People can telecommute now so no need to live near nyc.Um, no.
the moops
Footballguy
BladeRunner
Footballguy
I think we can all agree that covid ebbs and flows. Part of the reason is seasonality with the south as people indoors. With that said, we should judge in totality not what’s the rate this week.
Connecticut. They are driving up real estate prices like crazy here especially on the shoreline.What state is that? Those NYC expats are going to ruin it like they did their state.
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