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TV just isn't good for true, scary horror. The best horror is really a one-off movie/etc. Once you have a series, and a main character, and weekly ratings... that all goes against what I think makes good horror. So we have TV shows with "horror elements".
Totally forgot who I even drafted. I'll take some good value with Phelps! Tim, totally disregard my comment about you being crazy for liking the last season of GoT. The way they rushed the story, nonsensically ended the series with Bran as king for no reason, totally ignored the Cersei prophecy, and completely failed to wrap a number of prominent story lines was great!
Have 3 now.. thanks... would like to get @wikkidpissah list also. And anyone else that wants to send one...
Roseanne getting a 15 and two 14s is crazy since only the first 2 seasons (out of 9 or 10) were in this era. Guess you can tell I was the 4 for her. She should have been in the 91-20 category.
Hey at least her show aired during this time period (and the Jeffersons was one of my favorite shows).
This from someone who gave Louise Jefferson (basically a straight man for George) 13 points. Judging is dumb.
(except when I do it.)
She should be dinged just like Jackie Harris was dinged. It's the exact same situation. Although, looking for consistency in this thing is probably a road too far.
Another situation where Diane Chambers got a Cheers bump because the show was so good but the character itself was one of the lesser ones of the show. I would have had her down 5 or 6 spots.
Was this the first category in which the Cheers-related selection didn't get a 16?
pretty silly anymore, but there's Friends, no Seinfeld, no Office, not even any Daddio, without Cheers. most important sitcom after Lucy
Cheers is my second favorite sitcom of all time behind Seinfeld. I think it was a great show but as comedy characters go the show was great because of the entire cast and I would put Sam and Diane below the others for comedy purposes. Sam and Diane were the main focus that allowed the other's to play off them but I think they both got bumps because of the show rather than their actual characters. It's understandable, but I wouldn't have had them so high (and I love the show).Doug B said:
I was the one who had the lowest rating on her. Cheers is brilliant but she (along with Kirstie Alley's character) are my least favorite characters by far in the series. All other characters are just tremendous, didn't like those 2.Gally said:
I saw the fine print! Rare disagreement with you here, which is fine since this is just so subjective. The character of Diane could have been played by anyone, or they could have had a rotating spot of "lady of the week/season" and as along as they had Norm, Cliff, Coach/Woody, Carla, Frazier, et al. the show IMO would not have missed a beat.wikkidpissah said:
I would disagree a bit that it couldn't have been the lady of the week/season. Having that tension (which has been copied by almost every sitcom since) was a key to the show allowing the other characters to play off. It just wouldn't have worked well with temp characters. However, I think there could have been just as good or better actresses to play Diane as I don't think Shelly Long was that great. She was fine and didn't take away but she was blah to me.
I ranked her because of the character. Just because the show has so many awesome characters, doesn't mean those characters are LESS than other possible characters to vote on just because those shows only had one or two good characters. This is a very weak argument to make.
That wasn't exactly what I meant. I meant she gets inflated by the bias associated with Cheers. I didn't think she was a better character than Roseanne, Rose, or LaVerne. I didn't mean she was worse in relation to other Cheers characters so she should be worse in this category. She should be ranked lower because the character wasn't as good and the other components of Cheers props her up in reputation.
Couldnt agree less.
Mr. Mojo said:Another consensus rating that came out really well.
I'm really not sure where you're coming from. I agree with you that consensus rankings are good/preferable.Even the drafter that took your #1 hero (John Snow) admitted Bauer / rick6668 / higgins got majorly screwed....
After months of drafters drafting, way to simultaneously #### over drafters by sending out quick, "just-to-be-done-with-it" rankings without any external input AND have the nerve to compliment judges that actually do take external input.
I believe she pales compared to Mary Richards. Mary was always true to her character, striving to overcome and "make it after all". And she did, triumphantly, and was hilarious in the process. To me, Diane was the anti-thesis of an everywoman. I think initially the thought with Diane was she would start off as a pretentious, snobby, know-it-all with a condescending attitude but as she learned what the real world was about via her interactions with Sam and the gang, she would become more relatable and a better person. Not sure if it was her ego and the desire to leave the show, but it seems they pulled the plug on that in the last season or 2 of her run. Her character doubled down on all those negative qualities and I didn't see real growth from her. I hated the way that it seemed she thought she was superior to not only Sam but everyone, when it was really her character that didn't understand the nuances of the real world. Too many of the episodes were centered on the Sam-Diane dynamic. When she left, I thought it allowed the supporting characters more room to breathe and they didn't focus on the Sam-Rebecca dynamic as much as they did with Diane.
Maybe you should pay closer attention - I did get input on the Westerns (after the Hero rankings) because I didn't want to be accused again of missing a ranking on a show I hadn't seen much of.
BUT you admitted you didn't know anything about Jack Bauer but neglected to get anyone's input whatsoever.
Even the drafter that took your #1 hero (John Snow) admitted Bauer / rick6668 / higgins got majorly screwed....
After months of drafters drafting, way to simultaneously #### over drafters by sending out quick, "just-to-be-done-with-it" rankings without any external input AND have the nerve to compliment judges that actually do take external input.
