Bruno2 392 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 1 hour ago, Chadstroma said: Owusu-Kamorah makes a lot of sense because he is that tweener you need in that D's LEO position. Agreed, but he might be gone by pick #17. Toney gives Gruden that quadtruple threat at WR/RB/PR/QB he covets. Like I said before, expect the unexpected.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbear 467 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Every GM knows... rebuild the D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DocHolliday 4,180 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 15 minutes ago, Blackbear said: Every GM knows... rebuild the D This draft is so simple. Go with the BPA for D. Over and over. Gruden and Mayock need to throw away their draft grades and go with the media consensus picks since they can’t draft. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruno2 392 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 5 minutes ago, DocHolliday said: This draft is so simple. Go with the BPA for D. Over and over. Gruden and Mayock need to throw away their draft grades and go with the media consensus picks since they can’t draft. Yes... but you know they won't. Toney is the pick.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DocHolliday 4,180 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 4 minutes ago, Bruno2 said: Yes... but you know they won't. Toney is the pick.. That will be the final straw for me. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruno2 392 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 12 minutes ago, DocHolliday said: That will be the final straw for me. I don't believe it... Russell was it for me and I'm still here 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chadstroma 2,626 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 41 minutes ago, DocHolliday said: This draft is so simple. Go with the BPA for D. Over and over. Gruden and Mayock need to throw away their draft grades and go with the media consensus picks since they can’t draft. Media consensus picks 🤣🤣🤣 Come on... group think misses more than anything. I will take Mayock and his talent evaluation anyday. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruno2 392 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 2 hours ago, DocHolliday said: This draft is so simple. Go with the BPA for D. Over and over. Gruden and Mayock need to throw away their draft grades and go with the media consensus picks since they can’t draft. So who do you like at #17? The elite CBs will be gone, Micah Parsons won't be there. It'll be close whether or not Kwity Paye will be there. Do you reach on Gregory Rousseau or Jaelen Phillips? I'm praying DT Christian Barmore is there but I just don't think Gruden values that position in the 1st round. Oddly enough this year there's plenty of 2nd round value for edge rushers in this year's draft. If they go game changer on offense like Toney, there's a handful of pass rushers available in the 2nd round. Azeez Ojulari, Jayson Oweh, Carlos Basham ( who I like a lot, tons of college production), Rashad Weaver, Joseph Ossai, Payton Turner and Ronnie Perkins. Keep your eyes on Perkins, reading he's climbing draft boards. If they go Toney in the 1st, Perkins might be tight there for them in round 2. Although, I'm hoping for Basham out of Wake Forest. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joey 1,535 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 3 hours ago, DocHolliday said: That will be the final straw for me. Said me, every year since 2003 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
32 Counter Pass 582 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 On 2/24/2021 at 12:39 PM, Ed Wood said: Yikes, I've lost track over the years of how plugged in Peter King is but if he's even in the ballpark with these Watson trades, my "offer" of Carr, Waller and 2 1s is cheap by comparison. I love Watson but nobody nobody is worth this much (not even Mahomes). https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/02/22/deshaun-watson-trade-texans-nfl-fmia-peter-king/ Agree and honestly this looks like click bait. Watson has told the team he will never play for them again. The Texans are losing leverage with each passing day with their current stance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DA RAIDERS 4,770 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Love you f’ers. my last straw if I had a nickel.... gruden gonna Gruden. I’ll be shocked if he takes a D player at 17. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kaso 229 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 I will add this... if nothing else, Bruno2 is strong in his beliefs! 😄 I don't follow College football nearly closely enough to have a valid opinion on who the pick will be. Bruno2 isn't wrong in his logic, but I really do hope the consensus of nearly everyone is right, and D is the the pick over and over. On a related note, what a crappy part of the off-season with no combine this year. Covid Sucks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruno2 392 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 1 hour ago, kaso said: I will add this... if nothing else, Bruno2 is strong in his beliefs! 😄 I don't follow College football nearly closely enough to have a valid opinion on who the pick will be. Bruno2 isn't wrong in his logic, but I really do hope the consensus of nearly everyone is right, and D is the the pick over and over. On a related note, what a crappy part of the off-season with no combine this year. Covid Sucks. Thanks Kaso, I'm a draft geek and not having the combine this year does suck. Watching YouTube videos of these guys only tells half the story. I can easily tell what they do well, trying to figure out their weaknesses, that's the hard part. Just to be clear, I'm in the camp of picking a D player in the 1st round, but at #17 they're in a tricky spot. They're gonna need some players to slide. And there's a lot of ??s with the edge players this year. My ideal scenario: if either Parsons, Barmore, JOK or Paye make it to #17, run to the virtual podium and take one. Makes the most sense. 2nd option: No D player is there that they like, trade back a little and draft LB/edge Zaven Collins. He's the kind of playmaker the defense needs. I've targeted Kadarius Toney because he's the better version of a shifty, multiple-position player Gruden was looking for in Bowden last year. And if you don't know who he is, watch some highlights. I will say this; if the elite D players are gone I won't be mad if Toney is the pick. It's a lot better than some of the mocks I'm seeing with the Raiders taking an Olinemen like Darrishaw or Vera-Tucker, assuming Trent Brown will walk, plus Gruden has a history of drafting Oline in the 1st round. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ICON211 433 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 1 hour ago, Bruno2 said: Thanks Kaso, I'm a draft geek and not having the combine this year does suck. Watching YouTube videos of these guys only tells half the story. I can easily tell what they do well, trying to figure out their weaknesses, that's the hard part. Just to be clear, I'm in the camp of picking a D player in the 1st round, but at #17 they're in a tricky spot. They're gonna need some players to slide. And there's a lot of ??s with the edge players this year. My ideal scenario: if either Parsons, Barmore, JOK or Paye make it to #17, run to the virtual podium and take one. Makes the most sense. 2nd option: No D player is there that they like, trade back a little and draft LB/edge Zaven Collins. He's the kind of playmaker the defense needs. I've targeted Kadarius Toney because he's the better version of a shifty, multiple-position player Gruden was looking for in Bowden last year. And if you don't know who he is, watch some highlights. I will say this; if the elite D players are gone I won't be mad if Toney is the pick. It's a lot better than some of the mocks I'm seeing with the Raiders taking an Olinemen like Darrishaw or Vera-Tucker, assuming Trent Brown will walk, plus Gruden has a history of drafting Oline in the 1st round. I'm not a huge fan of Paye. I'm not sure if he is an upgrade over Crosby/Ferrell. I'm onboard with taking Parsons, JOK, Barmore or even Collins. I think two of them will be there when the Raiders pick. I have also seen mocks with Raiders taking O line. Usually not a bad idea, but not for this team that has so many holes on defense, already has a good offensive line and has shown the ability to plug guys in and still operate at a high level. The only way I would be OK not taking D is if by some miracle Chase, Devonta Smith or Pitts was there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruno2 392 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 26 minutes ago, ICON211 said: I'm not a huge fan of Paye. I'm not sure if he is an upgrade over Crosby/Ferrell. I'm onboard with taking Parsons, JOK, Barmore or even Collins. I think two of them will be there when the Raiders pick. I have also seen mocks with Raiders taking O line. Usually not a bad idea, but not for this team that has so many holes on defense, already has a good offensive line and has shown the ability to plug guys in and still operate at a high level. The only way I would be OK not taking D is if by some miracle Chase, Devonta Smith or Pitts was there. I feel the same about Paye, all these edge players have warts this year. Another guy on the radar is Gregory Rousseau. Totally different build than Paye, I think he's listed at 6'7". But he's raw and doesn't have a lot of playing time under his belt. Not sure this is the guy they want if they're looking for an immediate contributor. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DocHolliday 4,180 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 16 hours ago, Bruno2 said: I don't believe it... Russell was it for me and I'm still here If Gruden drafts any player other than Chase or D at 17, I am leaving the thread until Gruden is gone or the Raiders play in the AFC championships. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DocHolliday 4,180 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 48 minutes ago, ICON211 said: I'm not a huge fan of Paye. I'm not sure if he is an upgrade over Crosby/Ferrell. I'm onboard with taking Parsons, JOK, Barmore or even Collins. I think two of them will be there when the Raiders pick. I have also seen mocks with Raiders taking O line. Usually not a bad idea, but not for this team that has so many holes on defense, already has a good offensive line and has shown the ability to plug guys in and still operate at a high level. The only way I would be OK not taking D is if by some miracle Chase, Devonta Smith or Pitts was there. A good D player will slip into the 17 spot. I don’t care what position it is since he Raiders need an upgrade at every position on D. This isn’t rocket science. You let the draft come to you and don’t reach for a position like Gruden has made a habit of doing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DA RAIDERS 4,770 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 11 minutes ago, DocHolliday said: If Gruden drafts any player other than Chase or D at 17, I am leaving the thread until Gruden is gone or the Raiders play in the AFC championships. You’ll be missed. 🤣🤣🤣 I am prepared for the wtf moments. It’s Gruden he’s an idiot Like last year, when Goodell said ruggs, instead of lamb or juedy. Smdh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DocHolliday 4,180 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 36 minutes ago, DA RAIDERS said: You’ll be missed. 🤣🤣🤣 I am prepared for the wtf moments. It’s Gruden he’s an idiot Like last year, when Goodell said ruggs, instead of lamb or juedy. Smdh I don’t think I will be missed. All I do is whine and complain about the Raiders. Anyone can pick up the slack. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kaso 229 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 17 hours ago, Bruno2 said: Yes... but you know they won't. Toney is the pick.. A CBS Mock published recently (today? Didn't confirm the date, and too lazy to go back) had Toney to WFT at 20. So he's in that range of the Raiders pick by an 'expert'... *Just throwing some offseason fuel on the fire. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DA RAIDERS 4,770 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 17 minutes ago, DocHolliday said: I don’t think I will be missed. All I do is whine and complain about the Raiders. Anyone can pick up the slack. i don't think i can pick up your slack. i'm about at my bithc and moan maximum. we'll get through this together. @Stompin' Tom Connors come back brother. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruno2 392 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 2 hours ago, DocHolliday said: If Gruden drafts any player other than Chase or D at 17, I am leaving the thread until Gruden is gone or the Raiders play in the AFC championships. I agree to a point.... It has to be a game changer on the front 7. I swear if they draft another #$!@&*$ Safety in the 1st round, I'm leaving the thread too! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chadstroma 2,626 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 So.... I might be talking to myself around here after Day 1 of the draft? 1 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DocHolliday 4,180 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 6 hours ago, DA RAIDERS said: i don't think i can pick up your slack. i'm about at my bithc and moan maximum. we'll get through this together. @Stompin' Tom Connors come back brother. @Stompin' Tom Connorswas the smart one to get away from annoying posters like me. If he comes back, I won’t be going any where though. That will teach him to try to get away. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cold Dead Hands 1,809 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 14 hours ago, Chadstroma said: So.... I might be talking to myself around here after Day 1 of the draft? Nope. No one is going anywhere. But we have been beaten down so much that the fantasy of walking away is still cathartic. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DocHolliday 4,180 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 On 3/1/2021 at 2:18 PM, kaso said: A CBS Mock published recently (today? Didn't confirm the date, and too lazy to go back) had Toney to WFT at 20. So he's in that range of the Raiders pick by an 'expert'... *Just throwing some offseason fuel on the fire. The Raiders had three strikes on a WR1 last draft in the first 3 rounds. Why not waste another pick seems to be Gruden’s motto. I do like to see teams drafting QB and WR before pick 17 in the mocks. A starting player for the D will fall to the Raiders. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chadstroma 2,626 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Kendal Vickers resigned to a 1 year deal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DA RAIDERS 4,770 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 38 minutes ago, Chadstroma said: Kendal Vickers resigned to a 1 year deal. How much they wasting on him? Haven’t wanted to look it up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kaso 229 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) 12 hours ago, DA RAIDERS said: How much they wasting on him? Haven’t wanted to look it up. Kendal Vickers signed a 1 year, $780,000 contract with the Las Vegas Raiders, including an average annual salary of $780,000. In 2021, Vickers will earn a base salary of $780,000, while carrying a cap hit of $780,000. Source: Spotrac Edited to add: This puts him on average as the 98th largest cap hit for a DE. Edited March 3 by kaso 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chadstroma 2,626 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 hours ago, kaso said: Kendal Vickers signed a 1 year, $780,000 contract with the Las Vegas Raiders, including an average annual salary of $780,000. In 2021, Vickers will earn a base salary of $780,000, while carrying a cap hit of $780,000. Source: Spotrac Edited to add: This puts him on average as the 98th largest cap hit for a DE. Sounds about right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DA RAIDERS 4,770 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 they need to be cutting people,. not signing scrubs and wasting money and roster spots. at least vickers is a defensive player. so far, they have signed 17 players to reserve/future contracts. r/f contracts will count against the cap, after 3/17. so far the r/f contracts, total around 11M dollars. including another qb. some dude named kyle sloter, for 920,000. if this fool makes the team. 8 are offensive players. 2 are ST. 7 are defensive players. we'll see what happens in a couple weeks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kaso 229 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 11 minutes ago, DA RAIDERS said: they need to be cutting people,. not signing scrubs and wasting money and roster spots. at least vickers is a defensive player. so far, they have signed 17 players to reserve/future contracts. r/f contracts will count against the cap, after 3/17. so far the r/f contracts, total around 11M dollars. including another qb. some dude named kyle sloter, for 920,000. if this fool makes the team. 8 are offensive players. 2 are ST. 7 are defensive players. we'll see what happens in a couple weeks. We should know as soon as Monday... read a tweet where the feeling is that a lot of teams will be cutting a lot of players... the other side of the coin from Covid related cap adjustments. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chadstroma 2,626 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, DA RAIDERS said: they need to be cutting people,. not signing scrubs and wasting money and roster spots. at least vickers is a defensive player. so far, they have signed 17 players to reserve/future contracts. r/f contracts will count against the cap, after 3/17. so far the r/f contracts, total around 11M dollars. including another qb. some dude named kyle sloter, for 920,000. if this fool makes the team. 8 are offensive players. 2 are ST. 7 are defensive players. we'll see what happens in a couple weeks. Chill. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chadstroma 2,626 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, kaso said: We should know as soon as Monday... read a tweet where the feeling is that a lot of teams will be cutting a lot of players... the other side of the coin from Covid related cap adjustments. Oh yea... a lot of talent will be FA's that if not for COVID, would still be with their teams. A lot of hard decisions will need to be made by a lot of teams. Van Noy would not have been cut, IMO, if not for the lower cap as an example. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chadstroma 2,626 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Trent Sieg resigned to 3 year deal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kaso 229 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 hours ago, DA RAIDERS said: they need to be cutting people,. not signing scrubs and wasting money and roster spots. at least vickers is a defensive player. You ask and you shall receive. The Raiders have cut G Gabe Jackson saving $9.6M in cap space. He had a $9.35M base salary and a $250k workout bonus set for 2021. His contract was through the 2022 season, and would have carried a $9.6M cap in 2022 as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chadstroma 2,626 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 minute ago, kaso said: You ask and you shall receive. The Raiders have cut G Gabe Jackson saving $9.6M in cap space. He had a $9.35M base salary and a $250k workout bonus set for 2021. His contract was through the 2022 season, and would have carried a $9.6M cap in 2022 as well. Damn... I wanted to see if we could keep him. I was hoping for a restructure/extension. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SDJohnny 260 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 8 minutes ago, Chadstroma said: Damn... I wanted to see if we could keep him. I was hoping for a restructure/extension. Me too, he was solid last year. Would have rather seen Richie go. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DA RAIDERS 4,770 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 good start. they are going to make some cuts, we don't like. sorry to see him go. but, richie is way cheaper. and gruden loves him. signing good, now becomes a priority, imho. unless! gruden has his eye on an OL for the first round. a strong possibility. gruden gonna gruden. they are now under the cap. but more cuts are needed, in order to sign any FA. the rookie class will take up around 10M mariota is 10M. richard is another 3.5M. heath is another 3.1M Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chadstroma 2,626 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, DA RAIDERS said: good start. they are going to make some cuts, we don't like. sorry to see him go. but, richie is way cheaper. and gruden loves him. signing good, now becomes a priority, imho. unless! gruden has his eye on an OL for the first round. a strong possibility. gruden gonna gruden. they are now under the cap. but more cuts are needed, in order to sign any FA. the rookie class will take up around 10M mariota is 10M. richard is another 3.5M. heath is another 3.1M Good is a high priority now and this should signal that we are bringing Incognito back too. Still hoping we can deal Mariota. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chadstroma 2,626 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Rapoport is reporting we are trying to trade Brown. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chadstroma 2,626 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 T. Williams signing with the Lions for $6.2. Would have liked him back at that price but it is a bigger risk for a team to keep him after basically 1 3/4 years of unavailability than another team to take the chance on him new. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DA RAIDERS 4,770 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 good riddance. i was at the home opener, when AB #### the bed. ty will was great, the stadium was rocking for him. he never really showed up again Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruno2 392 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 20 hours ago, Chadstroma said: Damn... I wanted to see if we could keep him. I was hoping for a restructure/extension. Gabe is one of the top guards in the league when healthy, he'll be missed for sure. But the Oline needs to get cheaper so some of that cash can go towards rebuilding the defense. The depth of the Oline is one the strengths of the team. Plug Simpson in there, and hopefully he continues to develop like Miller and Goode have. So far, I see the Oline looking like this: LT:Miller, LG Incognito, C Hudson, RG Simpson, RT: Goode/Brown?? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chadstroma 2,626 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 40 minutes ago, Bruno2 said: Gabe is one of the top guards in the league when healthy, he'll be missed for sure. But the Oline needs to get cheaper so some of that cash can go towards rebuilding the defense. The depth of the Oline is one the strengths of the team. Plug Simpson in there, and hopefully he continues to develop like Miller and Goode have. So far, I see the Oline looking like this: LT:Miller, LG Incognito, C Hudson, RG Simpson, RT: Goode/Brown?? Good really isn't a RT. He filled in and held up but I would be shocked if that was their plan. Brown is on the trading block right now. I think that means that they will cut him if we do not find a trade partner. We will be in the market for a new RT. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DA RAIDERS 4,770 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 26 minutes ago, Chadstroma said: Good really isn't a RT. He filled in and held up but I would be shocked if that was their plan. Brown is on the trading block right now. I think that means that they will cut him if we do not find a trade partner. We will be in the market for a new RT. i doubt they'll cut him. costs too much. we'll see Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chadstroma 2,626 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 minute ago, DA RAIDERS said: i doubt they'll cut him. costs too much. we'll see Brown has no dead cap money on his contract now. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DA RAIDERS 4,770 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 that's right! as often as i've been looking at that, you'd think i'd remember it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruno2 392 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 40 minutes ago, Chadstroma said: Good really isn't a RT. He filled in and held up but I would be shocked if that was their plan. Brown is on the trading block right now. I think that means that they will cut him if we do not find a trade partner. We will be in the market for a new RT. I forgot about Brandon Parker. Played great in spots last year. I gotta think this is the year he finally develops into the starting RT he was drafted to be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chadstroma 2,626 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 51 minutes ago, Bruno2 said: I forgot about Brandon Parker. Played great in spots last year. I gotta think this is the year he finally develops into the starting RT he was drafted to be. I don't know about great. He held up decently. Was superior to Young for sure. No way we bring Young back. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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