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What is the criteria to be in the facility? Having covid or travel related?

Or is this an unvaccinated punishment?
Different states have different rules. These rules are changing as the vaccination rates push 90% double dose. Some states or territories with little covid so far like Western Australia, Northern Territory, Queensland, South Australia and Tasmania are trying to hold back the total freedom until they hit the 90% in their state. The two states with 96% of the Australian covid cases, NSW and Victoria are well over 90% double dose and have far fewer restrictions. Some states do not allow others without 14 day quarantine, despite negative tests, full vaccination etc. Some are doing home quarantine with interstate travel. Some are much more open. 

The unvaccinated are having to learn as the rules evolve what their predicaments are. A lot of public workforces are enforcing mandatory vaccinations, just like places all over the world. The reality is there arent police roaming the streets dragging unvaccinated out of restaurants. The staff dont want the hassle of telling unreasonable people laws dictated by governments.

Hmmm....I did NOT know that.  I was told that they confiscated all the guns.  How is it possible that gun ownership is now higher?
Because Australia has well balanced gun laws. If you need a gun for work, recreational shooting or can make a reasonable case, you can have one. If you just want one cause....coool or you are paranoid about home invasion or think the government is out to get you,. no dice. Australians dont have to worry about walking down the street and seeing guns on every two bit vigilante wannabe. If you love recreational shooting, there are plenty of kangaroos, feral pigs, even brumbies and camels if you are in the right place. You cant just be a yahoo about it, there are ell balanced rules to protect yourself and those around you. Target ranges are easily accessible. Criminals get heavy punishment for carrying unlicensed firearms. 

But that's a choice not done by force of law obviously. And in fact this is widely viewed in Australia as the best thing that government did.
The John Howard government is almost the antithesis of my politics. Conservative, steal money from the poor and give to the rich etc. the Industrial relations policies still cripples individual advancement for the less well off. That said he has my 100% admiration and respect for the way he handled the gun issue. The Port Arthur massacre shocked Australia to its core. It was the largest gun massacre in the world for a decade or so. Howard faced severe opposition from within, particularly his even more conservative coalition partners the National Party. Thankfully its leader Tim Fischer was a pragmatic and decent man. The mood was 95% get rid of all guns. We dont want to be America. Little kids were gunned down with malice. Unreasonable propoganda, on both sides to be fair, was prevalent. Howard stuck firm. Very reasonable buy backs were offered and embraced by 90% plus. Why do you need a gun? If independent judges agreed, all good. There is very little politicization of judicial appointments. 

Laws have slowly been wound back, where possible, as the influence of the US fat right seeps into the fringe radical parties. Which often have the balance in the Senate. The Senate has bizarre voting systems. Each state has its number of representatives, but Senators have literally been chosen with 0.01% of a primary vote. Complex Preference deals see parties with a much higher primary vote lose

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1466651206244257792?t=bEO7Fgcf7_Ou2IbqyE8mhw&s=19

Australian Hayley Hodgson was placed in a Covid internment camp despite testing negative for the virus 

She was confined to a box for 14 days, offered valium when she complained about confinement, and lost her job

"You feel like you're in prison..."

https://t.co/VaUoSmgx2T https://t.co/fMs2HS0c5R
Internment camp lol. 

Quarantine is hard. The rules are for society, not the individual. If individuals dont like the rules, thats really unfortunate. 14 days in a ####ty hotel is difficult, but its hardly guantanamo bay. The Howard Springs type facility is what states want to do, as it gives people humanity away from the big cities, but the federal government wanted to stick with hotel quarantine. Totally unsuited for its purpose. Meant as an emergency procedure, it became the norm. Hopefully it stops soon

 
Because Australia has well balanced gun laws. If you need a gun for work, recreational shooting or can make a reasonable case, you can have one. If you just want one cause....coool or you are paranoid about home invasion or think the government is out to get you,. no dice. Australians dont have to worry about walking down the street and seeing guns on every two bit vigilante wannabe. If you love recreational shooting, there are plenty of kangaroos, feral pigs, even brumbies and camels if you are in the right place. You cant just be a yahoo about it, there are ell balanced rules to protect yourself and those around you. Target ranges are easily accessible. Criminals get heavy punishment for carrying unlicensed firearms. 


Who the hell is going to tell the Australian government "I just want a gun because it's cool"?  Seems like all you have to say is "I want to recreational shoot". 

How do they know if you're lying or not?

 


So you have to be an approved member of a shooting club to use the "recreational shooting" excuse.  Still, seems like I could get that membership just to get a gun anyways. 

What's to prevent one from still shooting up the town?  Or is the assumption that if you're a member of a club you're an "upstanding citizen"?

 
So you have to be an approved member of a shooting club to use the "recreational shooting" excuse.  Still, seems like I could get that membership just to get a gun anyways. 

What's to prevent one from still shooting up the town?  Or is the assumption that if you're a member of a club you're an "upstanding citizen"?
Im assuming Australians (Swiss, Canadians, British, Germans etc) are just wired differently. These sporting clubs probably dont just rubber stamp membership. If they see a guy thats a bit off, they dont give him membership. If a guy from a club uses his gun the wrong way, the club probably gets shut down and faces possible criminal investigation. 

Remember the politicization just isnt there. Very little tribalism. Very strict rules about advertising. Because voting is compulsory in australia (you can just turn up, get your ballot paper and chuck it in the bin). Australians just think they are all scum and just look for competancy. Its only the fringes that get truly passionate. 

I have shot, didnt enjoy it, but recreational shootng is relatively accessible. Home protection and self defense are not valid reasons to have a gun on you,

 
Different states have different rules. These rules are changing as the vaccination rates push 90% double dose. Some states or territories with little covid so far like Western Australia, Northern Territory, Queensland, South Australia and Tasmania are trying to hold back the total freedom until they hit the 90% in their state. The two states with 96% of the Australian covid cases, NSW and Victoria are well over 90% double dose and have far fewer restrictions. Some states do not allow others without 14 day quarantine, despite negative tests, full vaccination etc. Some are doing home quarantine with interstate travel. Some are much more open. 

The unvaccinated are having to learn as the rules evolve what their predicaments are. A lot of public workforces are enforcing mandatory vaccinations, just like places all over the world. The reality is there arent police roaming the streets dragging unvaccinated out of restaurants. The staff dont want the hassle of telling unreasonable people laws dictated by governments.

Because Australia has well balanced gun laws. If you need a gun for work, recreational shooting or can make a reasonable case, you can have one. If you just want one cause....coool or you are paranoid about home invasion or think the government is out to get you,. no dice. Australians dont have to worry about walking down the street and seeing guns on every two bit vigilante wannabe. If you love recreational shooting, there are plenty of kangaroos, feral pigs, even brumbies and camels if you are in the right place. You cant just be a yahoo about it, there are ell balanced rules to protect yourself and those around you. Target ranges are easily accessible. Criminals get heavy punishment for carrying unlicensed firearms. 

The John Howard government is almost the antithesis of my politics. Conservative, steal money from the poor and give to the rich etc. the Industrial relations policies still cripples individual advancement for the less well off. That said he has my 100% admiration and respect for the way he handled the gun issue. The Port Arthur massacre shocked Australia to its core. It was the largest gun massacre in the world for a decade or so. Howard faced severe opposition from within, particularly his even more conservative coalition partners the National Party. Thankfully its leader Tim Fischer was a pragmatic and decent man. The mood was 95% get rid of all guns. We dont want to be America. Little kids were gunned down with malice. Unreasonable propoganda, on both sides to be fair, was prevalent. Howard stuck firm. Very reasonable buy backs were offered and embraced by 90% plus. Why do you need a gun? If independent judges agreed, all good. There is very little politicization of judicial appointments. 

Laws have slowly been wound back, where possible, as the influence of the US fat right seeps into the fringe radical parties. Which often have the balance in the Senate. The Senate has bizarre voting systems. Each state has its number of representatives, but Senators have literally been chosen with 0.01% of a primary vote. Complex Preference deals see parties with a much higher primary vote lose

Internment camp lol. 

Quarantine is hard. The rules are for society, not the individual. If individuals dont like the rules, thats really unfortunate. 14 days in a ####ty hotel is difficult, but its hardly guantanamo bay. The Howard Springs type facility is what states want to do, as it gives people humanity away from the big cities, but the federal government wanted to stick with hotel quarantine. Totally unsuited for its purpose. Meant as an emergency procedure, it became the norm. Hopefully it stops soon


I'm beginning to see why Australia is in its current predicament. You're cool with people who aren't infected being locked away for an indefinite period of time because "the government said so." You do you I guess. Hope they don't come for you at some point. 

 
I'm beginning to see why Australia is in its current predicament. You're cool with people who aren't infected being locked away for an indefinite period of time because "the government said so." You do you I guess. Hope they don't come for you at some point. 
This kind of response is why i shouldnt bother coming into the political forum. Get a grip. 

 
This kind of response is why i shouldnt bother coming into the political forum. Get a grip. 


Yea get a grip. People being taken against their will to camps in the name of "safety" and you're on here telling us how everyone's cool with that down there. Then being pursued like they're Richard Kimble when they escape all to find out they aren't even infected. Government officials in full hazmat garb telling citizens they'll be fined $5000 and made to stay longer if they disobey. All allowed to happen by a populace so terrified of a disease that you have 99.7% chance of surviving. 

I'm not sure I'm the one losing their grip on reality here. 

 
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Yea get a grip. People being taken against their will to camps in the name of "safety" and you're on here telling us how everyone's cool with that down there. Then being pursued like they're Richard Kimble when they escape all to find out they aren't even infected. Government officials in full hazmat garb telling citizens they'll be fined $5000 and made to stay longer if they disobey. All allowed to happen by a populace so terrified of a disease that you have 99.7% chance of surviving. 

I'm not sure I'm the one losing their grip on reality here. 
The tests don’t work and it was never more dangerous than the flu anyway. Is NPR a right wing site? I know that’s the usual response to the truth https://fee.org/articles/npr-mounting-evidence-suggests-covid-not-as-deadly-as-thought-did-the-experts-fail-again/

FDA says PCR test tests are worthless https://iotwreport.com/covid-pcr-test-deemed-worthless-by-fda/ These tests fanned the fears of all and brought the loss of freedom but they don’t work!

This was always about instituting the Chinese social credit score like the one the Australian authoritarians and other dictators want. https://sociable.co/government-and-policy/covid-passport-mandates-authoritarian-social-credit-digital-identity/ 

Operation warp speed started by Trump continues as Biden and the other U.N. puppets accelerate it. Agenda 2030 here we come!

Any Catholics out there listening to Bishop Vigano? https://www.marcotosatti.com/2021/11/18/vigano-appeal-for-an-antiglobalist-world-alliance/

 
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The tests don’t work and it was never more dangerous than the flu anyway. Is NPR a right wing site? I know that’s the usual response to the truth https://fee.org/articles/npr-mounting-evidence-suggests-covid-not-as-deadly-as-thought-did-the-experts-fail-again/

FDA says PCR test tests are worthless https://iotwreport.com/covid-pcr-test-deemed-worthless-by-fda/ These tests fanned the fears of all and brought the loss of freedom but they don’t work!

This was always about instituting the Chinese social credit score like the one the Australian authoritarians and other dictators want. https://sociable.co/government-and-policy/covid-passport-mandates-authoritarian-social-credit-digital-identity/ 

Operation warp speed started by Trump continues as Biden and the other U.N. puppets accelerate it. Agenda 2030 here we come!

Any Catholics out there listening to Bishop Vigano? https://www.marcotosatti.com/2021/11/18/vigano-appeal-for-an-antiglobalist-world-alliance/
Since that NPR article was written over a year ago over 600,000 people in the US alone and millions more world wide have died of Covid.

And your tweet source on PCR was of course full of crap and telling half the story. They discontinued the original PCR test not because it was worthless but because they developed a better one that can test for multiple viruses at once.

 
Since that NPR article was written over a year ago over 600,000 people in the US alone and millions more world wide have died of Covid.

And your tweet source on PCR was of course full of crap and telling half the story. They discontinued the original PCR test not because it was worthless but because they developed a better one that can test for multiple viruses at once.
So about the same number of people died as would in a normal flu. Got it.
https://www.who.int/news/item/11-03-2019-who-launches-new-global-influenza-strategy

Sorry one of the links was “crap” to you. The cdc fda and many others know that the pcr tests were all garbage and of no use at all other than to amp up the fear mongering. I am sure I can find other links but do your own homeworkhttps://mnfan.org/2021/09/03/cdc-and-fda-admit-pcr-test-was-based-on-a-contrived-model-not-the-virus/

You are basically saying the jabs don’t work by the way. How do we have more deaths in 2021 with all the wonderful “made in an instant,” Big Pharma, opioid pusher, injections than in 2020? Operation warp speed to agenda 2030 full speed ahead! 

Honestly, Commish would a UK government report be less “crap” for you? Please click on the link and scroll down to the gray box. They knew in March 2020 that Covid was no more dangerous than the flu.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

Is it easier to cower in fear and give up all freedom while closing schools and businesses than to believe we have been conned again??? WMDs never existed in Iraq you know.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

I specifically draw your attention to the words  “low mortality rate,” in the report from public health England linked above. Before you get all dismissive because it was a March 2020 statement please be sure to Note it was also updated May 2021 and they still classify it as no longer of high consequence and low mortality.

Biden continues Trumps operation warp speed to Agenda 2030 like all the other U.N. Puppets. 
 
Catholic Bishop Vigano is shedding light on all of this by the way. Here is his recent letter on the Big Pharma injections. He is outraged that children with no risk of getting wuflu are now getting the warp speed shots. Maybe we all should be outraged too?

https://www.algora.com/Algora_blog/2021/11/03/archbishop-vigano-writes-stunning-letter-on-vaccine-program

There are tons of footnotes on his letter. Please accept the facts for what they are. We need to join together to stop the insanity now. I trust Vigano and his research over Big Pharma and the Political people they own.

 
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So about the same number of people died as would in a normal flu. Got it.
https://www.who.int/news/item/11-03-2019-who-launches-new-global-influenza-strategy

Sorry one of the links was “crap” to you. The cdc fda and many others know that the pcr tests were all garbage and of no use at all other than to amp up the fear mongering. I am sure I can find other links but do your own homeworkhttps://mnfan.org/2021/09/03/cdc-and-fda-admit-pcr-test-was-based-on-a-contrived-model-not-the-virus/

You are basically saying the jabs don’t work by the way. How do we have more deaths in 2021 with all the wonderful “made in an instant,” Big Pharma, opioid pusher, injections than in 2020? Operation warp speed to agenda 2030 full speed ahead! 

Honestly, Commish would a UK government report be less “crap” for you? Please click on the link and scroll down to the gray box. They knew in March 2020 that Covid was no more dangerous than the flu.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

Is it easier to cower in fear and give up all freedom while closing schools and businesses than to believe we have been conned again??? WMDs never existed in Iraq you know.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

I specifically draw your attention to the words  “low mortality rate,” in the report from public health England linked above. Before you get all dismissive because it was a March 2020 statement please be sure to Note it was also updated May 2021 and they still classify it as no longer of high consequence and low mortality.

Biden continues Trumps operation warp speed to Agenda 2030 like all the other U.N. Puppets. 
 
Catholic Bishop Vigano is shedding light on all of this by the way. Here is his recent letter on the Big Pharma injections. He is outraged that children with no risk of getting wuflu are now getting the warp speed shots. Maybe we all should be outraged too?

https://www.algora.com/Algora_blog/2021/11/03/archbishop-vigano-writes-stunning-letter-on-vaccine-program

There are tons of footnotes on his letter. Please accept the facts for what they are. We need to join together to stop the insanity now. I trust Vigano and his research over Big Pharma and the Political people they own.
So yeah in the US,which is where the 600k number came from not global deaths, a deadly flu year would be around 52,000 deaths with many years in the 12,000 range. World wide according to the WHO a bad flu year kills 650,000. So in the US alone nearly as many people have died of Covid as would die globally from flu. See this is the problem with being sloppy in your thinking.

 
So yeah in the US,which is where the 600k number came from not global deaths, a deadly flu year would be around 52,000 deaths with many years in the 12,000 range. World wide according to the WHO a bad flu year kills 650,000. So in the US alone nearly as many people have died of Covid as would die globally from flu. See this is the problem with being sloppy in your thinking.
You really believe in the big Pharma opioid drug pushers don’t you? Dying with a false positive from a fake test means nothing. You have zero response to the UK government report showing they knew then and still know now that wuflu was no more dangerous than the flu.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

 
You really believe in the big Pharma opioid drug pushers don’t you? Dying with a false positive from a fake test means nothing. You have zero response to the UK government report showing they knew then and still know now that wuflu was no more dangerous than the flu.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid
That's not what that says. What it says is that they no longer require treatment HCID facilities. And while mortality rates are relatively low it doesn't take a high mortality rate to kill 5.2 million people globally and nearly 800k here when it is highly transmissible. As for the stupid crap about fake tests well that's just stupid.

 
That's not what that says. What it says is that they no longer require treatment HCID facilities. And while mortality rates are relatively low it doesn't take a high mortality rate to kill 5.2 million people globally and nearly 800k here when it is highly transmissible. As for the stupid crap about fake tests well that's just stupid.Maybe you just can’t see through the crap. Senators and high ranking Catholic Bishops have legitimate questions. It clearly says low mortality rate and it is no longer a highly infectious disease as of March 2020. Your response was crap
https://www.organiclifestylemagazine.com/cdc-admits-finacial-hospital-incentives-drove-up-covid-19-death-rates

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

Your response is crap. Clearly says low mortality and no longer a highly infectious disease as of March 2020. 

 
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@NCCommish don't engage with this one. Not worth it
Ya because truth is too hard to keep down. Like a beach ball. It keeps popping up. Catholic Bishop Vigano is correct in all aspects. So is every link I put on here like it or not. Childish and baseless claims of crap are what three year olds bring to the conversation not adults.

 
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Ya because truth is too hard to keep down. Like a beach ball. It keeps popping up. Catholic Bishop Vigano is correct in all aspects. So is every link I put on here like it or not. Childish and baseless claims of crap are what three year olds bring to the conversation not adults.
Adults actually read and understand what they post.

 
Adults actually read and understand what they post.
You don’t read very much and don’t understand very much.. But you know how to say crap and call things crap that aren’t crap. Which shows how much you really don’t know.

The inventor of the PCR test completely agrees with Catholic Bishop Vigano and me. But you think you know more than the inventor. What an arrogant child.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWOJKuSKw5c

More facts you did not read and probably refuse to try to comprehend https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/22/5/2459/htm

 
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You don’t read very much and don’t understand very much.. But you know how to say crap and call things crap that aren’t crap. Which shows how much you really don’t know.

The inventor of the PCR test completely agrees with Catholic Bishop Vigano and me. But you think you know more than the inventor. What an arrogant child.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWOJKuSKw5c

More facts you did not read and probably refuse to try to comprehend https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/22/5/2459/htm
That's cool and all but this is the Australian thread. The unofficial one anyway. Let's keep it on that. 

 
That's cool and all but this is the Australian thread. The unofficial one anyway. Let's keep it on that. 
Ok so the Australian dilemma is about Covid internment camps and over zealous authorities.  Why would a discussion about the PCR tests be irrelevant? Everything I posted has to do with Covid and the tyrannical lockdowns imposed because of it. If that’s not relevant then Maybe you should just close the thread. Not your thread though is it?

 
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Ok so the Australian dilemma is about Covid internment camps and over zealous authorities.  Why would a discussion about the PCR tests be irrelevant? Everything I posted has to do with Covid and the tyrannical lockdowns imposed because of it. If that’s not relevant then Maybe you should just close the thread. Not your thread though is it?
Yea I get that but you're going in a circle. We got the info. If people don't won't to read it, that's their problem. 

 
So there is nothing to the rumors that people are being taken to these camps from their homes without consent? 
The rules about interstate travel are complex and different for every state. 

Is it possible people are dragged from their homes into quarantine? Again its complex.

If you live within a state and stay within a state, the only reason you would be moved to hotel quarantine is if you were wilfully and repeatedly disobeying quarantine orders. Another reason could be if there were vulnerable people in the same residence. 

If you are travelling interstate, before you travel you need to check the rules of the arrival state. Some like Western Australia, its 14 days quarantine for almost anyone. For others like NSW there appears to be little restriction. Very soon there will be uniformity for most states. Fully vaxxed, negative test, no exposure and agree to be tested again 5 days after travel = “free movement”

Western Australia is going solo on a hard line of not wanting ANY covid possibilities.

I wish the hysterical internment or even concentration camp allegations were not made. They arent being marched to their deaths in squalid conditions. They are in a hotel, with food, bedding, internet, shower and toilet facilities. Once their quarantine is over, its over. I dont doubt that quarantine is tough, but Federal and State governments have made their positions clear, with the backing of a large percentage of their voters. Both sides. The lady quoted earlier lied to authorities. Was she struggling with quarantine? Obviously. Is she free to go about her life now? Yep. Could they have fined her $5000. Yep. Did they? Nope. It wont have been pleasant for her, but she bought some of it on herself for lying. I am not happy she suffered. Some people cope better with quarantine than others.

After 20 months of this, you travel interstate with great risk. Rules got changed on the fly. The “no covid” rules were driving policies. Australia opens up to qualifying internationals within a week, most states open up to qualifying travellers.

The unvaccinated are not having a good time or will not if they need to travel. Its not mandatory, but other vaccines in australia are (for children eg measles etc)and governments impose financial restrictions. With 90% of Australians double dosed, there is little to no sympathy for the 10% that aren’t. 

Is the system perfect? Heck no. Are there people suffering? Yes. Name a jurisdiction in the world where they have Covid rules perfect. Australia is on the stricter side. Others arent. The numbers dont lie, Australia has heavily restricted Covid from killing and hospitalizing thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands. Was it worth the price? Thats a more complex discussion.

The federal government heads into an election within 6 months. It is lineball. This authoritarian angle is laughable. They are borderline incompetant. States are dictating the rules. The feds can only stop internationals. Each state has varying degrees of control.

 
I wish the hysterical internment or even concentration camp allegations were not made. They arent being marched to their deaths in squalid conditions. They are in a hotel, with food, bedding, internet, shower and toilet facilities. Once their quarantine is over, its over. I dont doubt that quarantine is tough, but Federal and State governments have made their positions clear, with the backing of a large percentage of their voters. Both sides. The lady quoted earlier lied to authorities. Was she struggling with quarantine? Obviously. Is she free to go about her life now? Yep. Could they have fined her $5000. Yep. Did they? Nope. It wont have been pleasant for her, but she bought some of it on herself for lying. I am not happy she suffered. Some people cope better with quarantine than others.


I think this is where the issue lies. You can have all the fancy amenities you want. You can justify it with super models on Instagram posting from their camps as this great place. Bottom line is, it's a camp for people that are collected by the government for a loose set of rules that seem to change by the day. This woman lied as a knee jerk reaction because she didn't want to get hauled off when she wasn't sick. After she admitted to lying, they lied to her in return to get her to come with them, then proceeded to imprison her for 14 days. Seems like that was less about safety and more about punishment for disobedience. Same as the teenagers hunted down like escaped convicts with house to house, car to car searches. 

Of course no one is being marched to their death. They didn't do that in Germany for nearly a decade before they started their "cleansing". Many people lived their lives, some comfortably in their confinements until it went "too far."

Point is, Australians are being tested for how they will behave to these types of measures. The more they comply, the easier it becomes later on for any other reason the government wants to implement them for. 

 
The rules about interstate travel are complex and different for every state. 

Is it possible people are dragged from their homes into quarantine? Again its complex.

If you live within a state and stay within a state, the only reason you would be moved to hotel quarantine is if you were wilfully and repeatedly disobeying quarantine orders. Another reason could be if there were vulnerable people in the same residence. 

If you are travelling interstate, before you travel you need to check the rules of the arrival state. Some like Western Australia, its 14 days quarantine for almost anyone. For others like NSW there appears to be little restriction. Very soon there will be uniformity for most states. Fully vaxxed, negative test, no exposure and agree to be tested again 5 days after travel = “free movement”

Western Australia is going solo on a hard line of not wanting ANY covid possibilities.

I wish the hysterical internment or even concentration camp allegations were not made. They arent being marched to their deaths in squalid conditions. They are in a hotel, with food, bedding, internet, shower and toilet facilities. Once their quarantine is over, its over. I dont doubt that quarantine is tough, but Federal and State governments have made their positions clear, with the backing of a large percentage of their voters. Both sides. The lady quoted earlier lied to authorities. Was she struggling with quarantine? Obviously. Is she free to go about her life now? Yep. Could they have fined her $5000. Yep. Did they? Nope. It wont have been pleasant for her, but she bought some of it on herself for lying. I am not happy she suffered. Some people cope better with quarantine than others.

After 20 months of this, you travel interstate with great risk. Rules got changed on the fly. The “no covid” rules were driving policies. Australia opens up to qualifying internationals within a week, most states open up to qualifying travellers.

The unvaccinated are not having a good time or will not if they need to travel. Its not mandatory, but other vaccines in australia are (for children eg measles etc)and governments impose financial restrictions. With 90% of Australians double dosed, there is little to no sympathy for the 10% that aren’t. 

Is the system perfect? Heck no. Are there people suffering? Yes. Name a jurisdiction in the world where they have Covid rules perfect. Australia is on the stricter side. Others arent. The numbers dont lie, Australia has heavily restricted Covid from killing and hospitalizing thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands. Was it worth the price? Thats a more complex discussion.

The federal government heads into an election within 6 months. It is lineball. This authoritarian angle is laughable. They are borderline incompetant. States are dictating the rules. The feds can only stop internationals. Each state has varying degrees of control.
Thanks for the reply. I think a lot of us few Australia as a single entity and don't consider different state rules.

I just want to clarify one thing though. The people being removed from their homes are because they violated travel laws and not simply because they are unvaccinated and just want to be left alone? They had to have done something to be removed...

 
I think this is where the issue lies. You can have all the fancy amenities you want. You can justify it with super models on Instagram posting from their camps as this great place. Bottom line is, it's a camp for people that are collected by the government for a loose set of rules that seem to change by the day. This woman lied as a knee jerk reaction because she didn't want to get hauled off when she wasn't sick. After she admitted to lying, they lied to her in return to get her to come with them, then proceeded to imprison her for 14 days. Seems like that was less about safety and more about punishment for disobedience. Same as the teenagers hunted down like escaped convicts with house to house, car to car searches. 

Of course no one is being marched to their death. They didn't do that in Germany for nearly a decade before they started their "cleansing". Many people lived their lives, some comfortably in their confinements until it went "too far."

Point is, Australians are being tested for how they will behave to these types of measures. The more they comply, the easier it becomes later on for any other reason the government wants to implement them for. 
These are valid points. Have you ever been with law enforcement and tried to lie your way out of situations? You have to be an elite liar to get away with it. These people are experts at sussing out lies. They are suspicious by nature and the amatuer gets exposed easily. What they do once you are caught in a lie depends on the situation. The Australian and state governments have clearly indicated they are not messing around with covid laws. Lie, you get punished. 

Have you ever known a government to give up authority once it adds it to its list of power plays? The draconian laws enacted after 9/11 are just the start. Covid is the next one. Australians are more compliant than most nations. The lack of press choice helps. Australians are almost asian like in their compliance with authority.

Most arent affected so dont care and the rallying of those that are or see perceived dangers is drowned out as them being “ a pack of whingers”

Governments at all levels are more accountable in australia. It is very rare for a party to hold the balance in both houses. Fringe parties like one nation, the greens and a rag tag bunch of independents hold the balance in the senate. Similar in most states, except in queensland where the upper house was abolished by the right wing fascist crook Joh Bjelke Peterson who reigned for 30 years thanks to more and more ludicrous gerrymandering where he won with 30% od the vote. He eventually lost in the late 80s and Queensland is now normal, except it has no senate so whoever wins, dictates. 

Thanks for the reply. I think a lot of us few Australia as a single entity and don't consider different state rules.

I just want to clarify one thing though. The people being removed from their homes are because they violated travel laws and not simply because they are unvaccinated and just want to be left alone? They had to have done something to be removed...
Nothing to do with their vaccination status....yet. Its almost always interstate travel quarantine restrictions or non compliance with quarantine or stay at home orders. Non vaccinated people cannot attend sport events and in some cases restaurants and cafes etc. its complex. Different states. At the end is some poor sod having to tell a non vaccinated person “No”. Most dont bother or dont want the fuss. There isnt the politicization of these issues in Australia, because all major parties have the same view except the fringes. A non vaccinated person grandstanding is likely to attract police attention. If you are polite and respectful, different story. Restauarants and cafes want the business. Sporting events have an element of government control. Today is the first day of the first Ashes test and it will be a full house. Not vaccinated, no entry. It will be strictly enforced. 

 
Australia ON: Lockdowns, social restrictions fines are not the answer:

Australia PM reverses direction on Covid restrictions
Thing is the Australian Prime Minister cannot control what the states do. Western Australia is steadfastly sticking to its approach that has seen only 1100 cases for the whole pandemic. Most were in the first 3 months. It had one case yesterday (Delta) and implemented a lockdown and restrictions. The Premier Mark McGowan has an approval rating of 77%. 

New South Wales and Victoria were the heaviest hit states and had multiple lengthy lockdowns. They were the first to say ‘“#### it” and let things run. NSW more than Victoria. NSW has only had 110000 cases for the whole thing, 5700 yesterday. Victoria has had 150000 and had 2000 yesterday. 

The other states have finally opened their borders and the numbers are increasing rapidly. 10 days ago Queensland had 0 cases. Yesterday they had almost 400. Its doubled every day for the last 3. South Australia had 484 yesterday after 198 the day before. 

Australia has a high vaccination rate, 92% double dose, 95% first dose. I think already half the population has a booster and the arguments about reducing the waiting time from 5 months to 4 months are getting heated. Western Australia has mandated a booster shot for many workplaces.

With Omicron looking milder, almost all the state governments are taking the chance that better to let Omicron run wild among the unvaccinated rather than Delta. Most of the cases in the vaccinated were from the Astra Zeneca shots. Moderna or Pfizer are being used for the booster. Masks are being heavily recommended or mandated in some states in indoor settings.

Our “concentration camps” are looking for more victims. Thats a “joke” by the way. The international ie US right wing hysteria was laughed off by all sections of politics here. Different states have different rules for their quarantine, but many are looking away from the hotel option. Western Australia is the only real holdout. The most popular tourist state, Queensland has reasonable protections for travellers....must be double vaccinated and get a test 5 days into your trip. 

The Right wing Prime Minister is looking at an uphill battle for re-election within the next 6 months, but he did 3 years ago and won. He has looked ineffective and indecisive with the state leaders controlling the decision making. Corruption, poor treatment of women, lack of climate change action and internal division are his biggest stumbling blocks. Several key members of the government are not recontesting their seats ie leaving a sinking ship. The opposition isnt particularly effective, just disciplined. The lengthy election campaign will be crucial for swing the vote either way. 

 


Those police seem like incredibly reasonable people in response to some clearly unreasonable people. "you're giving yourself cancer by wearing a mask". 😆
So much for respecting law and order. I am surprised the police didn’t come back with reinforcements,  but i guess they played it smart. Not dealing with a bunch of mensa candidates here. 

Owner has been arrested. Faces multiple other charges. Place will be shut down. Patrons will have to go elsewhere. Victory?

 
The USA would be Australia if not for red-state governors. Scary.
Depending on the shade of red, it actually might be much, much worse

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Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.

Twenty-nine percent (29%) of Democratic voters would support temporarily removing parents’ custody of their children if parents refuse to take the COVID-19 vaccine.

Nearly half (48%) of Democratic voters think federal and state governments should be able to fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications. 

 
So much for respecting law and order. I am surprised the police didn’t come back with reinforcements,  but i guess they played it smart. Not dealing with a bunch of mensa candidates here. 

Owner has been arrested. Faces multiple other charges. Place will be shut down. Patrons will have to go elsewhere. Victory?
Yes I read the cowards came to his house in force and arrested him while he slept. What a great place to live. 

 
Insein said:
Yes I read the cowards came to his house in force and arrested him while he slept. What a great place to live. 
Police everywhere love it when challenged. They have power on their side and use it. Anyone silly enough to provoke Police unnecessarily, anywhere in the world ends up like this. The Police are there to enforce laws, not create them. 

There would be some countries in the world where they would never be seen again. In Australia they will have their day in court. If they have half decent legal representation they will shut their mouths, cop their fine, keep their business and be smarter next time. 

 
Coach Morris Buttermaker said:
The USA would be Australia if not for red-state governors. Scary.
The USA dreams of being Australia. Its as scary as a half dead fly. International borders are open again, no lockdowns in most states. You might have to wear a mask in certain situations, but freedom everywhere. Challenge police or threaten public safety, anywhere, well there are consequences to actions. 

 
The USA dreams of being Australia. Its as scary as a half dead fly. International borders are open again, no lockdowns in most states. You might have to wear a mask in certain situations, but freedom everywhere. Challenge police or threaten public safety, anywhere, well there are consequences to actions. 
"Threaten public safety"

They're not enforcing any laws. They're following orders from dictators. 

 
There is no way one can objectively look at Australia and say that is currently not acting like a dictatorship.
Key word objectively. 

The federal government is facing an election in the next 3-4 months. They are expected to lose. Some dictatorship. They are a conservative government. 

All state governments that have faced an election have had an increased majority because of their tough stances, including Queensland where this happened. 

The parliaments and processes have not really changed. The state of Victoria tried to make emergency powers easier to facilitate and couldnt get what they wanted through the parliament. The had to accept a watered down version. 

The right wing scare factory in the US is ramping up “Look whats happening, it could happen here next” without understanding a) the culture and b) you know the objective facts.

Unlike the US, 80-90% of Australians support the tough measures. 90-95% are double vaccinated, not that it means much with Omicron apart from less hospitalization and death. Boosters are at 25% and rising rapidly, 

Those that are unhappy, are being fed ludicrous propoganda. Most of the time they are being treated fairly and objectively. Discretion is a key part of the “punishments”

I guarantee worse things are happening elsewhere in the western world apart from a bunch of rebellious pub owners and drinkers having to follow some simple rules. 99% of the others are. They made the choice not to follow the rules. They will have their day in court to challenge their arrest. They chose not to do this the smart way. They want to be loud. They want to be heard. Court dates coming up for them to try that there. 

 

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