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Chessmaster
Footballguy
He is the Tight end/H-back for the redskins. Patrick Ramsey seemed to target him towards the end of last year. He should be around the 10th TE selected in my view; he gets alot of red-zone looks.Who is this guy?
I have seen others think He will do well,But why?
Thanks,maybe I'll pick Him up in my League.He is the Tight end/H-back for the redskins. Patrick Ramsey seemed to target him towards the end of last year. He should be around the 10th TE selected in my view; he gets alot of red-zone looks.Who is this guy?
4thAndForever
Footballguy
If you're looking for a TE and don't want to spend a high pick on Gonzalez or Gates, it's all about Ben Watson this year.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
LJ SmithWhy ? McNabb threw the ball to TE's like 75 times last season. LJ got about half those and 5 TD's ?75 catches / 10 TD's for LJ Smith
I could see a top 5 finish if no one from the mess that is the SF WR corps emerges. Still to finish top 5 he would have to beat out at least one of heap, witten, and shockey - who are all clearly more talented than him. McMichael and Crumpler are also lurking. gutsy call.He's going in the 9th and is a lock to be top 5.
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The One Play Quiz
Well historically TEs 4-8 aren't even a 1 PPG difference between them, so falling anywhere in that range is feasible.Given Heap's constant injury issues in the offseason, Heap won't even be top 10 IMO, especially with the FA acquisition of Mason.I could see a top 5 finish if no one from the mess that is the SF WR corps emerges. Still to finish top 5 he would have to beat out at least one of heap, witten, and shockey - who are all clearly more talented than him. McMichael and Crumpler are also lurking. gutsy call.
My point is that Johnson is going significantly later than other big name TEs who will produce at approximately the same level.
That is value.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
The names that first came to my mind when reading the topic were already covered:TroupeWatsonPollardThe other guy that I want to keep an eye on is Heath Miller, first round draft pick of Pittsburgh. He has a very good supporting cast around him and a coach with some history of utilizing the TE. He probably wont (and shouldn't) be drafted in leagues that don't require TE depth. But he is a guy to watch if you need to fill a spot.
Rovers
Footballguy
QB Rich Gannon no longer is helping the Raiders win games, but he did help them consummate a trade in the off-season. Gannon spoke at length with Jets G.M. Terry Bradway, giving an endorsement for TE Doug Jolley. Gannon and Bradway know each other from when both were with the Chiefs. Gannon indicated to Bradway that Jolley would have been more productive had Gannon been healthy last season. With Gannon out and QB Kerry Collins in, the Raiders chose to throw more downfield passes to receivers and fewer to tight ends. Partially as a result of Gannon's recommendation, the Jets traded their first-round draft pick to the Raiders for Jolley and a second-round pick.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/3685330
Jolley is really under the radar in the mocks and drafts I've seen. Yes, I'm wearing my green tinted glasses, but I think Jolley is a lock or top ten this year..... with upside potential from there. New OC Hiemerdinger loves to use the TE, and Pennington checks down very well, looking for third and fourth open recievers, a very nice combination.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/3685330
Jolley is really under the radar in the mocks and drafts I've seen. Yes, I'm wearing my green tinted glasses, but I think Jolley is a lock or top ten this year..... with upside potential from there. New OC Hiemerdinger loves to use the TE, and Pennington checks down very well, looking for third and fourth open recievers, a very nice combination.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Histoically speaking, each year there are a fairly large grouping of TEs that are within 1 ppg from each other. Here are those pockets from the last few seasons.2004 between TEs 4-82003 between TEs 6-182002 between TEs 7-152001 between TEs 4-16Last year was the first in a while when there was a small pack as opposed to a great big pack. This illustrates to me that there is very little point in investing an mid round pick on a TE not in the top tier. The scoring differential will be so minor that it's worth grabbing two late and they should do almost as well, allowing you to add depth at other positions.
Sleeper 43
Footballguy
Since when did Jolley become a great fantasy prospect , the guy been a bum since day one. The raiders would have cut his ### had the Jets not been so deperate. I havent even seen Dressen play and im confident he can win the job. Someone enlighten me why theres so many Jolley fans this off season ?!? Watson is a great sleeper , regardless of Graham , they have special plays just for this guy.I can see Desmond Clark getting some extra balls thrown his way this yearI also remember the Chargers planning to use 2 TE setsalot with Ryan Krause and Gates lined up ( take note of Krause when they put him in the last game of the last season)Although Randy McMichael has been consistent for a few years now I truely believe hes capable of moving up to elite TE tier status anyday now.
Shockey will get hurt taking on Dallas S Williams and it'll be Visanthe Shiancoe.Reading this, it's odd how people differ in meaning of the word "sleeper." Reading the TE threads here all spring, somehow Eric Johnson is still undervalued IMO. Very odd because "no one" likes SF's WRs and he was such a popular WW pickup last year.
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Rovers
Footballguy
Who said Jolley was a "great" fantasy prospect? Oakland only targeted Jolley 53 times last year. The Jets, with two "blocking" TE's last year targeted the TE's 62 times. You can expect Jolley to get 80, and possibly more than that this year. That will put hin in the top ten TE's, as far as targets go. The TE is a forgotten weapon in Oakland. You say you never saw Dressen play, but you are sure he can win the job?!?
If Dressen makes the team (instead of the practice squad) it will be because he can beat out Baker. TE Dearth is the long snapper, and one of the best. With a rookie kicker, it's unlikely they would use Dressen as the long snapper this year. Let's see what Jolley can do on a team that will remember that a TE is, in fact, part of a football team, eh? Desmond Clark is in danger of getting released after this year if he doesn't finally do something, according to the reports I've read. But he is one of your sleepers? OK. 
-OZ-
Footballguy
At least he should be motivated.Who said Jolley was a "great" fantasy prospect? Oakland only targeted Jolley 53 times last year. The Jets, with two "blocking" TE's last year targeted the TE's 62 times. You can expect Jolley to get 80, and possibly more than that this year. That will put hin in the top ten TE's, as far as targets go. The TE is a forgotten weapon in Oakland. You say you never saw Dressen play, but you are sure he can win the job?!?
Sid Octane
Footballguy
Sid Octane
Footballguy
That's interesting. There's definitely room for a TE to breakout in the Cleveland offense given their lack of presence at the WR position, although Edwards may change that somewhat. I still am unsure of Heiden taking some of the production away...if I could be convinced that Shea will be the man at TE, I think we are potentially onto something.
2 words; MATT JONES!! The first time I saw a collection of Moss clips from Marshall in the summer of '98, I new with every molecule of my soul that this guy was the HOLY GRAIL of pigskin. During my Bosnia train-up, my Army buddies were like, "Moss who?" And now he's atop of everyone's board. I see it again in Jones. Whether he lines up as TE or Receiver, you can best believe that he's going to make plenty of noise. Get ya BOSE noise canceling headphones ready now...I'm telling you!
DrEEssenDrEEssenThe TE is a forgotten weapon in Oakland. You say you never saw Dressen play, but you are sure he can win the job?!?
It's Dreessen, not Dressen. With these statements, I'd say you've never seen him play, either. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Rovers
Footballguy
No, I never saw him play, and clearly my mispelling of his name means I am a complete idiot and have no clue what I am talking about. I think DrEEssen gets assigned to the taxi squad this year. In 2006, he replaces Dearth, and could challenge to be a starter. I guess I should have known that a sixth round draft pick with 3 TD's in his senior year is a shoo-in to beat out Jolley as the starting TE for the Jets. Have you ever seen Jolley play in college? You want to go on college stats? Jolley buries this guy. If it weren't for the ONE fact that the Jets have a rookie kicker, I do think Dreessen could make the roster. The Jets will keep Baker, because now he's the only good blocking TE they have. With your statements, I'd say you know little about the Jets, and what herm Edwards has said about the TE situation.DrEEssenDrEEssenThe TE is a forgotten weapon in Oakland. You say you never saw Dressen play, but you are sure he can win the job?!?
It's Dreessen, not Dressen. With these statements, I'd say you've never seen him play, either. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
The term 'sleeper' is abused. There is no universally accepted definition, but one thing that should be obvious is that anyone who has an ADP that makes him a fantasy starter should not be considered a sleeper.Assuming a 12 team league with 1/2/3/1 as requirements, here are the lowest Antsports (drafts from 6/1) ADP starters:
QB12 Brooks NO
RB24 Taylor Jac
WR36 Houshmandzedeh Cin
TE12 Franks GB
Calling Eric Johnson (ADP 9 for TEs) a sleeper makes about as much sense as calling Matt Hasselbeck (also ADP 9 QB), Curtis Martin (ADP 18 RB), or Donald Driver (ADP 27 WR) sleepers.
Bri, I understand you are calling Johnson undervalued, not a sleeper. I'm just pointing out the gross misuse of the term in this thread. In addition to Johnson, others mentioned in this 'sleeper' thread include Shockey (ADP 6), Clark (ADP 7), and LJ Smith (ADP 11).
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-OZ-
Footballguy
The term 'sleeper' is abused. There is no universally accepted definition, but one thing that should be obvious is that anyone who has an ADP that makes him a fantasy starter should not be considered a sleeper.Assuming a 12 team league with 1/2/3/1 as requirements, here are the lowest Antsports (drafts from 6/1) ADP starters:
QB12 Brooks NO
RB24 Taylor Jac
WR36 Houshmandzedeh Cin
TE12 Franks GB
Calling Eric Johnson (ADP 9 for TEs) a sleeper makes about as much sense as calling Matt Hasselbeck (also ADP 9 QB), Curtis Martin (ADP 18 RB), or Donald Driver (ADP 27 WR) sleepers.
Bri, I understand you are calling Johnson undervalued, not a sleeper. I'm just pointing out the gross misuse of the term in this thread. In addition to Johnson, others mentioned in this 'sleeper' thread include Shockey (ADP 6), Clark (ADP 7), and LJ Smith (ADP 11).
Which leads to my favorite sleeper TE - Tony Gonzalez. I hear he's got talent.We'll see. I've seen what Jolley is capable of at the pro level. It hasn't amounted to much. Don't underestimate Dreessen just because he played on a poor team. Most teams like TEs who can do both - catch & block. Dreessen can. And he is an outstanding long snapper, which adds to his value.But I'll keep your comments in mind as the season progresses.
wilked
Footballguy
The term 'sleeper' is abused. There is no universally accepted definition, but one thing that should be obvious is that anyone who has an ADP that makes him a fantasy starter should not be considered a sleeper.Assuming a 12 team league with 1/2/3/1 as requirements, here are the lowest Antsports (drafts from 6/1) ADP starters:
QB12 Brooks NO
RB24 Taylor Jac
WR36 Houshmandzedeh Cin
TE12 Franks GB
Calling Eric Johnson (ADP 9 for TEs) a sleeper makes about as much sense as calling Matt Hasselbeck (also ADP 9 QB), Curtis Martin (ADP 18 RB), or Donald Driver (ADP 27 WR) sleepers.
Bri, I understand you are calling Johnson undervalued, not a sleeper. I'm just pointing out the gross misuse of the term in this thread. In addition to Johnson, others mentioned in this 'sleeper' thread include Shockey (ADP 6), Clark (ADP 7), and LJ Smith (ADP 11).
SERIOUSLYChocolate milk through the nose, all over the keyboard, screen
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Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
So what do people think of Jolley and Anderson now?I did pick up Jolleylast week. But he's getting little preseason action, as is Anderson, I think
(on what TE Billy Bajema has done well this preseason to earn a starting role) “Well, Billy’s very smart, very tough. He learns quickly and he’s a good football player. That’s why he’s gotten into the role. He competes well, and really, that’s the reason.”
(on if Bajema moved ahead of (TE) Aaron Walker) “He did, yes, but we’re still shuffling them. We’re still allowing them to compete. It’s a yes and no, because the last week he started and the week before he did not. It’s back and forth. That’s a battle.”
http://www.49ers.com/newsroom/coaches.asp
(on if Bajema moved ahead of (TE) Aaron Walker) “He did, yes, but we’re still shuffling them. We’re still allowing them to compete. It’s a yes and no, because the last week he started and the week before he did not. It’s back and forth. That’s a battle.”
http://www.49ers.com/newsroom/coaches.asp
