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The Case Against Global-Warming Skepticism (1 Viewer)

Good find. Last summer's discovery was more alarming.

Major West Antarctic Glacier Melting from Geothermal Sources

It's frustrating how little play these discoveries get in the media. It's also weird the researchers in your link expressed surprise at the findings given my link. Earth is melting the West Antarctic, not man. That's inconvenient for everyone with a stake in the debate. The alarmists can't blame cO2 (even though they tried a little ridiculously in your link), and the deniers can't deny the glaciers are melting. This is irreversible and it's not our fault. The mechanism destabilizing those glaciers has been at work for many centuries, and it will take many more for them to collapse, but collapse they will.

 
The characterization of this debate is beyond ignorant. Only truly uninformed people think this is a debate between deniers and fear-mongers. The fringes of this debate only comprise maybe 10 percent of each side, but unfortunately they are vocally represented by politicians, talking heads and the IPCC. It is potentially a problem and we probably should take some action, but it certainly is not the #1 threat that has ever faced mankind. Screaming louder and cranking up the rhetoric to try to force stupid policy which makes no sense while being a pretentious buffoon is not helping.

 
The characterization of this debate is beyond ignorant. Only truly uninformed people think this is a debate between deniers and fear-mongers. The fringes of this debate only comprise maybe 10 percent of each side, but unfortunately they are vocally represented by politicians, talking heads and the IPCC. It is potentially a problem and we probably should take some action, but it certainly is not the #1 threat that has ever faced mankind. Screaming louder and cranking up the rhetoric to try to force stupid policy which makes no sense while being a pretentious buffoon is not helping.
:lmao:

 
The characterization of this debate is beyond ignorant. Only truly uninformed people think this is a debate between deniers and fear-mongers. The fringes of this debate only comprise maybe 10 percent of each side, but unfortunately they are vocally represented by politicians, talking heads and the IPCC. It is potentially a problem and we probably should take some action, but it certainly is not the #1 threat that has ever faced mankind. Screaming louder and cranking up the rhetoric to try to force stupid policy which makes no sense while being a pretentious buffoon is not helping.
:lmao:
Exhibit 1. :shrug:

 
Merchants of Doubt

This is the best documentary I've seen on climate change, not even close actually. Mainly about climate change but tells the story about a lot of other issues.

Download it off piratebay if you have to, it's a must watch.

 
The best thing climate change supporters can do is stop misquoting numbers, making wild extrapolations, and selling panic. The evidence is clear that there will be long-term problems without reducing CO2 output but fact is that we are perfectly capable of greatly reducing our use of carbon-based energy. There's no need to scare people who are afraid "liberals gonna take away mah V8". What we need is leadership that will take the emphasis off of the worst case scenario and instead focus on creating a long-term plan to get a majority of our energy from renewable sources.

 
The best thing climate change supporters can do is stop misquoting numbers, making wild extrapolations, and selling panic. The evidence is clear that there will be long-term problems without reducing CO2 output but fact is that we are perfectly capable of greatly reducing our use of carbon-based energy. There's no need to scare people who are afraid "liberals gonna take away mah V8". What we need is leadership that will take the emphasis off of the worst case scenario and instead focus on creating a long-term plan to get a majority of our energy from renewable sources.
One of your better posts.

 
The best thing climate change supporters can do is stop misquoting numbers, making wild extrapolations, and selling panic. The evidence is clear that there will be long-term problems without reducing CO2 output but fact is that we are perfectly capable of greatly reducing our use of carbon-based energy. There's no need to scare people who are afraid "liberals gonna take away mah V8". What we need is leadership that will take the emphasis off of the worst case scenario and instead focus on creating a long-term plan to get a majority of our energy from renewable sources.
One of your better posts.
Yep - we actually have a kind of consensus between the two groups here. One believes that this doesn't exist and one that it is a foregone conclusion. Both, in essence, believe that further research probing the issue is unnecessary. That money should get dumped into alternative energy research (and of those we should concentration on fusion and solar and pretty much drop wind, hydro, etc.)

Oh, and it looks like we're in our 21st year without any statistically significant warming, based on satellite data (and ignoring the adulterated NOAA database).

 
The best thing climate change supporters can do is stop misquoting numbers, making wild extrapolations, and selling panic. The evidence is clear that there will be long-term problems without reducing CO2 output but fact is that we are perfectly capable of greatly reducing our use of carbon-based energy. There's no need to scare people who are afraid "liberals gonna take away mah V8". What we need is leadership that will take the emphasis off of the worst case scenario and instead focus on creating a long-term plan to get a majority of our energy from renewable sources.
One of your better posts.
Yep - we actually have a kind of consensus between the two groups here. One believes that this doesn't exist and one that it is a foregone conclusion. Both, in essence, believe that further research probing the issue is unnecessary. That money should get dumped into alternative energy research (and of those we should concentration on fusion and solar and pretty much drop wind, hydro, etc.)

Oh, and it looks like we're in our 21st year without any statistically significant warming, based on satellite data (and ignoring the adulterated NOAA database).
I know of no one here that falls into the category that it does not exist. Excellent straw man You getting lessons from Tim?

 
The best thing climate change supporters can do is stop misquoting numbers, making wild extrapolations, and selling panic. The evidence is clear that there will be long-term problems without reducing CO2 output but fact is that we are perfectly capable of greatly reducing our use of carbon-based energy. There's no need to scare people who are afraid "liberals gonna take away mah V8". What we need is leadership that will take the emphasis off of the worst case scenario and instead focus on creating a long-term plan to get a majority of our energy from renewable sources.
One of your better posts.
Yep - we actually have a kind of consensus between the two groups here. One believes that this doesn't exist and one that it is a foregone conclusion. Both, in essence, believe that further research probing the issue is unnecessary. That money should get dumped into alternative energy research (and of those we should concentration on fusion and solar and pretty much drop wind, hydro, etc.)

Oh, and it looks like we're in our 21st year without any statistically significant warming, based on satellite data (and ignoring the adulterated NOAA database).
I know of no one here that falls into the category that it does not exist. Excellent straw man You getting lessons from Tim?
Getting?

And just to add some spice into this arena - Allegation of huge temperature fraud at NOAA.

 
The real big news is that the global sea temperature reflected the largest departure from normal temperature in history. The oceans have been absorbing so much heat in recent years, helping mask the true increase in global temps. If they are no longer able to absorb so much heat, the surface temps are going to begin to really cook.
saving this one for posterity
Please do.

NOAA won't release its report on global temps for October until next week, but various other agencies have already labeled it the warmest October on record. It's almost inevitable at this point that 2014 will go down as the hottest year on record.

Also reported earlier this week is that the world's oceans are now the warmest ever recorded, exceeding even those of the record-breaking 1998 El Nino year.

World's warmest recorded year. Oceans at their highest recorded temperature ever, even without an El Nino. 30 years without a single month where the average global temp was below the 20th Century average. It's just such a streak of amazing coincidences.
11 months later, and 2015 is going to be the hottest year on record by a shocking margin. Not only was it the warmest September on record, it was the warmest month ever - featuring the the greatest rise above average for any month in the 136-year historical record (comprised of 1,629 months). The next 3 months on that list have also occurred in 2015. Of the 10 hottest in months in recorded history, 7 have occurred in the last year.

Repeat: Of 1,629 recorded months, 7 of the 10 hottest have occurred in the last year.

Also,

September 2015: Hottest September ever

August: 2015: Hottest August ever

July 2015: Hottest July ever

June 2015: Hottest June ever

May 2015: Hottest May ever

April 2015: Third Hottest April ever

March 2015: Hottest March ever

February 2015: Hottest February ever

January 2015: Second Hottest January ever

 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/10/26/climate-change-could-soon-push-persian-gulf-temperatures-to-lethal-extremes-report-warns/

The region that gave birth to civilization six millennia ago could soon witness a grim milestone in the history of urban development: the first cities to experience temperatures too extreme for human survival.

A scientific study released Monday predicts that parts of the Persian Gulf could see lethally hot summers by the end of the century, thanks to human-induced global warming that is already contributing to soaring temperatures around the globe.

The report’s authors say coastal cities from Dubai to Iran’s Bandar Abbas could experience summer days that surpass the “human habitability” limit, with heat and humidity so high that even the healthiest people could not withstand more than a few hours outdoors.

Other Middle Eastern cities could approach the lethal threshold, including the Saudi holy city of Mecca, a destination for millions of Muslim pilgrims every year, according to the report in the peer-reviewed journal Nature Climate Change.

Scientists have long maintained that parts of the planet could experience extreme temperatures if global warming continues at current rates. But the suggestion that major world metropolises could cross the “habitability” threshold in the 21st Century surprised some climate experts.

“The threats to human health may be much more severe than previously thought, and may occur in the current century,” Christoph Schaer, a physicist and climate modeler at the Institute for Atmospheric and Climate Science in Zurich, Switzerland, said in a commentary on the study’s conclusions.

The Nature study used high-resolution climate models of the Persian Gulf to examine different scenarios for climate change over the coming decades. The authors, a pair of scientists from Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Loyola Marymount University focused on a key heat measurement known as the “wet-bulb temperature,” which includes humidity and evaporation rates, averaged over several hours. A wet-bulb temperature of 35 degrees C (95 degrees F) is regarded as the survivability limit for healthy people.

“It is an upper limit to adaptability to climate change due to heat stress,” MIT researcher Elfatih Eltahir told reporters at a news conference called to discuss the findings.

The analysis showed that, at current rates of warming, inhabitants of Persian Gulf cities could experience a combination of heat and humidity so high that the human body is no longer capable of shedding the excess heat through perspiration. The worst impacts would be felt in low-lying areas from Iran’s southern coast to the great metropolises of Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Doha and Dhahran, Saudia Arabia.

“Our results expose a regional hotspot where climate change, in the absence of significant mitigation, is likely to severely impact human habitability in the future,” the authors write in the study.

As travelers to the region can attest, the Persian Gulf region is already notorious for oppressive heat, with temperatures regularly surpassing 110 degrees F in the summer and heat-index values that contribute to high rates of heatstroke among outdoor workers.

The study’s authors say the worst impacts could be avoided if the world’s countries can find the will to curb emissions of greenhouse-gas pollution. In any case, urban planners will soon have to plan for major infrastructure changes as temperatures approach the lethal 35-degree threshold.

“Although it may be feasible to adapt indoor activities in the rich oil countries of the region, even the most basic outdoor activities are likely to be severely impacted,” the report stated.

The study comes on the heels of other reports predicting more intense heat waves for the United States, Europe and other parts of the world because of rising concentrations of heat-trapping greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

 
From the same article:

The American Academy of Pediatrics on Monday issued a policy statement warning of a greater health risks to children because of human-induced global warming.

The statement, published in the journal Pediatrics, said children face great risks from heat-related illnesses and greater susceptibility to being injured in weather-related disasters such as floods and extreme storms.

“Children are uniquely at risk to the direct impacts of climate change,” said lead author Samantha Ahdoot.

 
The best thing climate change supporters can do is stop misquoting numbers, making wild extrapolations, and selling panic. The evidence is clear that there will be long-term problems without reducing CO2 output but fact is that we are perfectly capable of greatly reducing our use of carbon-based energy. There's no need to scare people who are afraid "liberals gonna take away mah V8". What we need is leadership that will take the emphasis off of the worst case scenario and instead focus on creating a long-term plan to get a majority of our energy from renewable sources.
Great post. Now give ctsu his keys back.

 
From the same article:

The American Academy of Pediatrics on Monday issued a policy statement warning of a greater health risks to children because of human-induced global warming.

The statement, published in the journal Pediatrics, said children face great risks from heat-related illnesses and greater susceptibility to being injured in weather-related disasters such as floods and extreme storms.

“Children are uniquely at risk to the direct impacts of climate change,” said lead author Samantha Ahdoot.
Oh no, not the children.

 
Good video on why a decent number of top climate scientists have become skeptical about global warming, and how their views are being ignored or suppressed:

Scientific consensus and arguments from authority.
Are there any published rebuttal papers by skeptics?
Yes, their arguments have been published in many blog posts, popular articles, and televised interviews.
Says the person who used YouTube as a source.

 
The real big news is that the global sea temperature reflected the largest departure from normal temperature in history. The oceans have been absorbing so much heat in recent years, helping mask the true increase in global temps. If they are no longer able to absorb so much heat, the surface temps are going to begin to really cook.
saving this one for posterity
Please do.

NOAA won't release its report on global temps for October until next week, but various other agencies have already labeled it the warmest October on record. It's almost inevitable at this point that 2014 will go down as the hottest year on record.

Also reported earlier this week is that the world's oceans are now the warmest ever recorded, exceeding even those of the record-breaking 1998 El Nino year.

World's warmest recorded year. Oceans at their highest recorded temperature ever, even without an El Nino. 30 years without a single month where the average global temp was below the 20th Century average. It's just such a streak of amazing coincidences.
11 months later, and 2015 is going to be the hottest year on record by a shocking margin. Not only was it the warmest September on record, it was the warmest month ever - featuring the the greatest rise above average for any month in the 136-year historical record (comprised of 1,629 months). The next 3 months on that list have also occurred in 2015. Of the 10 hottest in months in recorded history, 7 have occurred in the last year.

Repeat: Of 1,629 recorded months, 7 of the 10 hottest have occurred in the last year.

Also,

September 2015: Hottest September ever

August: 2015: Hottest August ever

July 2015: Hottest July ever

June 2015: Hottest June ever

May 2015: Hottest May ever

April 2015: Third Hottest April ever

March 2015: Hottest March ever

February 2015: Hottest February ever

January 2015: Second Hottest January ever
Every statement you made is wrong. HTH. You see by 'ever' you mean less than 140 years ago. The earth is actually about 4,500,000,000 years old and has spent millions and millions and millions of years being much hotter. At least the young earth creationist believe the earth is more than 6,000 years old. The young earth global warmers only see the earth as 140 years old.

Creationists are scientically much closer to the truth than the real young earthers, the global warmers.

 
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/10/26/climate-change-could-soon-push-persian-gulf-temperatures-to-lethal-extremes-report-warns/

The region that gave birth to civilization six millennia ago could soon witness a grim milestone in the history of urban development: the first cities to experience temperatures too extreme for human survival.

A scientific study released Monday predicts that parts of the Persian Gulf could see lethally hot summers by the end of the century, thanks to human-induced global warming that is already contributing to soaring temperatures around the globe.
Look, I think we need to do more too, but articles like this aren't helping. They're basically clickbait. "Oh noes! Something bad might happen in the next 85 years!"

 
The real big news is that the global sea temperature reflected the largest departure from normal temperature in history. The oceans have been absorbing so much heat in recent years, helping mask the true increase in global temps. If they are no longer able to absorb so much heat, the surface temps are going to begin to really cook.
saving this one for posterity
Please do.

NOAA won't release its report on global temps for October until next week, but various other agencies have already labeled it the warmest October on record. It's almost inevitable at this point that 2014 will go down as the hottest year on record.

Also reported earlier this week is that the world's oceans are now the warmest ever recorded, exceeding even those of the record-breaking 1998 El Nino year.

World's warmest recorded year. Oceans at their highest recorded temperature ever, even without an El Nino. 30 years without a single month where the average global temp was below the 20th Century average. It's just such a streak of amazing coincidences.
11 months later, and 2015 is going to be the hottest year on record by a shocking margin. Not only was it the warmest September on record, it was the warmest month ever - featuring the the greatest rise above average for any month in the 136-year historical record (comprised of 1,629 months). The next 3 months on that list have also occurred in 2015. Of the 10 hottest in months in recorded history, 7 have occurred in the last year.

Repeat: Of 1,629 recorded months, 7 of the 10 hottest have occurred in the last year.

Also,

September 2015: Hottest September ever

August: 2015: Hottest August ever

July 2015: Hottest July ever

June 2015: Hottest June ever

May 2015: Hottest May ever

April 2015: Third Hottest April ever

March 2015: Hottest March ever

February 2015: Hottest February ever

January 2015: Second Hottest January ever
Every statement you made is wrong. HTH.You see by 'ever' you mean less than 140 years ago. The earth is actually about 4,500,000,000 years old and has spent millions and millions and millions of years being much hotter. At least the young earth creationist believe the earth is more than 6,000 years old. The young earth global warmers only see the earth as 140 years old.

Creationists are scientically much closer to the truth than the real young earthers, the global warmers.
My big concern with climate change is whether the planet is habitable for human life. I'm selfish that way. I'm not real concerned about the billions of years of history when this much hotter earth couldn't sustain life. And I'm pretty sure the earth itself will continue to be fine for millions of years after humans can no longer live here. But I don't care much about that either.

But I certainly do wish there were more than 140 years of recorded data. It would help demonstrate just how rapidly the climate is changing.

All of that being said, I hate articles like the one Tim linked to. When these somewhat over-the-top predictions fail to materialize, it distracts attention from the things that actually are happening right now.

 
The real big news is that the global sea temperature reflected the largest departure from normal temperature in history. The oceans have been absorbing so much heat in recent years, helping mask the true increase in global temps. If they are no longer able to absorb so much heat, the surface temps are going to begin to really cook.
saving this one for posterity
Please do.

NOAA won't release its report on global temps for October until next week, but various other agencies have already labeled it the warmest October on record. It's almost inevitable at this point that 2014 will go down as the hottest year on record.

Also reported earlier this week is that the world's oceans are now the warmest ever recorded, exceeding even those of the record-breaking 1998 El Nino year.

World's warmest recorded year. Oceans at their highest recorded temperature ever, even without an El Nino. 30 years without a single month where the average global temp was below the 20th Century average. It's just such a streak of amazing coincidences.
11 months later, and 2015 is going to be the hottest year on record by a shocking margin. Not only was it the warmest September on record, it was the warmest month ever - featuring the the greatest rise above average for any month in the 136-year historical record (comprised of 1,629 months). The next 3 months on that list have also occurred in 2015. Of the 10 hottest in months in recorded history, 7 have occurred in the last year.

Repeat: Of 1,629 recorded months, 7 of the 10 hottest have occurred in the last year.

Also,

September 2015: Hottest September ever

August: 2015: Hottest August ever

July 2015: Hottest July ever

June 2015: Hottest June ever

May 2015: Hottest May ever

April 2015: Third Hottest April ever

March 2015: Hottest March ever

February 2015: Hottest February ever

January 2015: Second Hottest January ever
Every statement you made is wrong. HTH. You see by 'ever' you mean less than 140 years ago. The earth is actually about 4,500,000,000 years old and has spent millions and millions and millions of years being much hotter. At least the young earth creationist believe the earth is more than 6,000 years old. The young earth global warmers only see the earth as 140 years old.

Creationists are scientically much closer to the truth than the real young earthers, the global warmers.
Keep fighting the good fight, buddy. :thumbup:

 
Rich Conway said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/10/26/climate-change-could-soon-push-persian-gulf-temperatures-to-lethal-extremes-report-warns/

The region that gave birth to civilization six millennia ago could soon witness a grim milestone in the history of urban development: the first cities to experience temperatures too extreme for human survival.

A scientific study released Monday predicts that parts of the Persian Gulf could see lethally hot summers by the end of the century, thanks to human-induced global warming that is already contributing to soaring temperatures around the globe.
Look, I think we need to do more too, but articles like this aren't helping. They're basically clickbait. "Oh noes! Something bad might happen in the next 85 years!"
Reminds me of FDR's famous line, "This situation will cause untold misery. But it won't happen to me, so everyone else can go #### themselves."

Or wait, maybe that was Jesus.

 
Keep in mind, when you hear the phrase "hottest temperature ever", that includes about 100 years. So while ever sounds long, it's not really.

 
My big concern with climate change is whether the planet is habitable for human life. I'm selfish that way. I'm not real concerned about the billions of years of history when this much hotter earth couldn't sustain life. And I'm pretty sure the earth itself will continue to be fine for millions of years after humans can no longer live here. But I don't care much about that either.

But I certainly do wish there were more than 140 years of recorded data. It would help demonstrate just how rapidly the climate is changing.

All of that being said, I hate articles like the one Tim linked to. When these somewhat over-the-top predictions fail to materialize, it distracts attention from the things that actually are happening right now.
No amount of CO2 we produce is going to make the earth uninhabitable for human life, and here's why:

If a temperature rises enough to destroy the world's economy, which would happen before the Earth becomes uninhabitable, then CO2 production will drop precipitously. The concern over global warming is really about our economy, not our survival.

 
Keep in mind, when you hear the phrase "hottest temperature ever", that includes about 100 years. So while ever sounds long, it's not really.
Denier! Philistine! You should be de-funded, imprisoned, and sterilized! :angry: Putting context to statements only confuses the 'stupid'(any who disagree with any sliver of my thinking)! :rant:

 
The real big news is that the global sea temperature reflected the largest departure from normal temperature in history. The oceans have been absorbing so much heat in recent years, helping mask the true increase in global temps. If they are no longer able to absorb so much heat, the surface temps are going to begin to really cook.
saving this one for posterity
Please do.

NOAA won't release its report on global temps for October until next week, but various other agencies have already labeled it the warmest October on record. It's almost inevitable at this point that 2014 will go down as the hottest year on record.

Also reported earlier this week is that the world's oceans are now the warmest ever recorded, exceeding even those of the record-breaking 1998 El Nino year.

World's warmest recorded year. Oceans at their highest recorded temperature ever, even without an El Nino. 30 years without a single month where the average global temp was below the 20th Century average. It's just such a streak of amazing coincidences.
11 months later, and 2015 is going to be the hottest year on record by a shocking margin. Not only was it the warmest September on record, it was the warmest month ever - featuring the the greatest rise above average for any month in the 136-year historical record (comprised of 1,629 months). The next 3 months on that list have also occurred in 2015. Of the 10 hottest in months in recorded history, 7 have occurred in the last year.

Repeat: Of 1,629 recorded months, 7 of the 10 hottest have occurred in the last year.

Also,

September 2015: Hottest September ever

August: 2015: Hottest August ever

July 2015: Hottest July ever

June 2015: Hottest June ever

May 2015: Hottest May ever

April 2015: Third Hottest April ever

March 2015: Hottest March ever

February 2015: Hottest February ever

January 2015: Second Hottest January ever
Every statement you made is wrong. HTH.You see by 'ever' you mean less than 140 years ago. The earth is actually about 4,500,000,000 years old and has spent millions and millions and millions of years being much hotter. At least the young earth creationist believe the earth is more than 6,000 years old. The young earth global warmers only see the earth as 140 years old.

Creationists are scientically much closer to the truth than the real young earthers, the global warmers.
My big concern with climate change is whether the planet is habitable for human life. I'm selfish that way. I'm not real concerned about the billions of years of history when this much hotter earth couldn't sustain life. And I'm pretty sure the earth itself will continue to be fine for millions of years after humans can no longer live here. But I don't care much about that either.

But I certainly do wish there were more than 140 years of recorded data. It would help demonstrate just how rapidly the climate is changing.

All of that being said, I hate articles like the one Tim linked to. When these somewhat over-the-top predictions fail to materialize, it distracts attention from the things that actually are happening right now.
:lmao:

If your primary concern is about the survival of the human race Global Warming shouldn't be high on the list.

 
It will be funny after we had an 18-year hiatus from global warming, now that we did get a temperature spike (mostly due to an El Niño), the chicken littles can come out in full gorse screaming about how the sky is falling.

 
It will be funny after we had an 18-year hiatus from global warming, now that we did get a temperature spike (mostly due to an El Niño), the chicken littles can come out in full gorse screaming about how the sky is falling.
There was never any hiatus. This has been completely debunked, yet you keep repeating it.

 
The real big news is that the global sea temperature reflected the largest departure from normal temperature in history. The oceans have been absorbing so much heat in recent years, helping mask the true increase in global temps. If they are no longer able to absorb so much heat, the surface temps are going to begin to really cook.
saving this one for posterity
Please do.

NOAA won't release its report on global temps for October until next week, but various other agencies have already labeled it the warmest October on record. It's almost inevitable at this point that 2014 will go down as the hottest year on record.

Also reported earlier this week is that the world's oceans are now the warmest ever recorded, exceeding even those of the record-breaking 1998 El Nino year.

World's warmest recorded year. Oceans at their highest recorded temperature ever, even without an El Nino. 30 years without a single month where the average global temp was below the 20th Century average. It's just such a streak of amazing coincidences.
11 months later, and 2015 is going to be the hottest year on record by a shocking margin. Not only was it the warmest September on record, it was the warmest month ever - featuring the the greatest rise above average for any month in the 136-year historical record (comprised of 1,629 months). The next 3 months on that list have also occurred in 2015. Of the 10 hottest in months in recorded history, 7 have occurred in the last year.

Repeat: Of 1,629 recorded months, 7 of the 10 hottest have occurred in the last year.

Also,

September 2015: Hottest September ever

August: 2015: Hottest August ever

July 2015: Hottest July ever

June 2015: Hottest June ever

May 2015: Hottest May ever

April 2015: Third Hottest April ever

March 2015: Hottest March ever

February 2015: Hottest February ever

January 2015: Second Hottest January ever
Every statement you made is wrong. HTH.You see by 'ever' you mean less than 140 years ago. The earth is actually about 4,500,000,000 years old and has spent millions and millions and millions of years being much hotter. At least the young earth creationist believe the earth is more than 6,000 years old. The young earth global warmers only see the earth as 140 years old.

Creationists are scientically much closer to the truth than the real young earthers, the global warmers.
My big concern with climate change is whether the planet is habitable for human life. I'm selfish that way. I'm not real concerned about the billions of years of history when this much hotter earth couldn't sustain life. And I'm pretty sure the earth itself will continue to be fine for millions of years after humans can no longer live here. But I don't care much about that either.

But I certainly do wish there were more than 140 years of recorded data. It would help demonstrate just how rapidly the climate is changing.

All of that being said, I hate articles like the one Tim linked to. When these somewhat over-the-top predictions fail to materialize, it distracts attention from the things that actually are happening right now.
:lmao:

If your primary concern is about the survival of the human race Global Warming shouldn't be high on the list.
1. Cancer caused by second-hand red meat.

2. Sharknado's.

3. Jem and the Holograms opening weekend.

4. Rouge military blimps.

5. Chupacabra and Jackalope's cross breeding.

 
It will be funny after we had an 18-year hiatus from global warming, now that we did get a temperature spike (mostly due to an El Niño), the chicken littles can come out in full gorse screaming about how the sky is falling.
There was never any hiatus. This has been completely debunked, yet you keep repeating it.
:lol: Right Timmy. Yes there are a few in dinial and are in total spin mode, but there was and it has been widely acknowledged.

 
The real big news is that the global sea temperature reflected the largest departure from normal temperature in history. The oceans have been absorbing so much heat in recent years, helping mask the true increase in global temps. If they are no longer able to absorb so much heat, the surface temps are going to begin to really cook.
saving this one for posterity
Please do.

NOAA won't release its report on global temps for October until next week, but various other agencies have already labeled it the warmest October on record. It's almost inevitable at this point that 2014 will go down as the hottest year on record.

Also reported earlier this week is that the world's oceans are now the warmest ever recorded, exceeding even those of the record-breaking 1998 El Nino year.

World's warmest recorded year. Oceans at their highest recorded temperature ever, even without an El Nino. 30 years without a single month where the average global temp was below the 20th Century average. It's just such a streak of amazing coincidences.
11 months later, and 2015 is going to be the hottest year on record by a shocking margin. Not only was it the warmest September on record, it was the warmest month ever - featuring the the greatest rise above average for any month in the 136-year historical record (comprised of 1,629 months). The next 3 months on that list have also occurred in 2015. Of the 10 hottest in months in recorded history, 7 have occurred in the last year.

Repeat: Of 1,629 recorded months, 7 of the 10 hottest have occurred in the last year.

Also,

September 2015: Hottest September ever

August: 2015: Hottest August ever

July 2015: Hottest July ever

June 2015: Hottest June ever

May 2015: Hottest May ever

April 2015: Third Hottest April ever

March 2015: Hottest March ever

February 2015: Hottest February ever

January 2015: Second Hottest January ever
Every statement you made is wrong. HTH.You see by 'ever' you mean less than 140 years ago. The earth is actually about 4,500,000,000 years old and has spent millions and millions and millions of years being much hotter. At least the young earth creationist believe the earth is more than 6,000 years old. The young earth global warmers only see the earth as 140 years old.

Creationists are scientically much closer to the truth than the real young earthers, the global warmers.
My big concern with climate change is whether the planet is habitable for human life. I'm selfish that way. I'm not real concerned about the billions of years of history when this much hotter earth couldn't sustain life. And I'm pretty sure the earth itself will continue to be fine for millions of years after humans can no longer live here. But I don't care much about that either.

But I certainly do wish there were more than 140 years of recorded data. It would help demonstrate just how rapidly the climate is changing.

All of that being said, I hate articles like the one Tim linked to. When these somewhat over-the-top predictions fail to materialize, it distracts attention from the things that actually are happening right now.
:lmao: If your primary concern is about the survival of the human race Global Warming shouldn't be high on the list.
1. Cancer caused by second-hand red meat.

2. Sharknado's.

3. Jem and the Holograms opening weekend.

4. Rouge military blimps.

5. Chupacabra and Jackalope's cross breeding.
Zombies got to be in everyone's top 10.

 
The real big news is that the global sea temperature reflected the largest departure from normal temperature in history. The oceans have been absorbing so much heat in recent years, helping mask the true increase in global temps. If they are no longer able to absorb so much heat, the surface temps are going to begin to really cook.
saving this one for posterity
Please do.

NOAA won't release its report on global temps for October until next week, but various other agencies have already labeled it the warmest October on record. It's almost inevitable at this point that 2014 will go down as the hottest year on record.

Also reported earlier this week is that the world's oceans are now the warmest ever recorded, exceeding even those of the record-breaking 1998 El Nino year.

World's warmest recorded year. Oceans at their highest recorded temperature ever, even without an El Nino. 30 years without a single month where the average global temp was below the 20th Century average. It's just such a streak of amazing coincidences.
11 months later, and 2015 is going to be the hottest year on record by a shocking margin. Not only was it the warmest September on record, it was the warmest month ever - featuring the the greatest rise above average for any month in the 136-year historical record (comprised of 1,629 months). The next 3 months on that list have also occurred in 2015. Of the 10 hottest in months in recorded history, 7 have occurred in the last year.

Repeat: Of 1,629 recorded months, 7 of the 10 hottest have occurred in the last year.

Also,

September 2015: Hottest September ever

August: 2015: Hottest August ever

July 2015: Hottest July ever

June 2015: Hottest June ever

May 2015: Hottest May ever

April 2015: Third Hottest April ever

March 2015: Hottest March ever

February 2015: Hottest February ever

January 2015: Second Hottest January ever
Every statement you made is wrong. HTH.You see by 'ever' you mean less than 140 years ago. The earth is actually about 4,500,000,000 years old and has spent millions and millions and millions of years being much hotter. At least the young earth creationist believe the earth is more than 6,000 years old. The young earth global warmers only see the earth as 140 years old.

Creationists are scientically much closer to the truth than the real young earthers, the global warmers.
My big concern with climate change is whether the planet is habitable for human life. I'm selfish that way. I'm not real concerned about the billions of years of history when this much hotter earth couldn't sustain life. And I'm pretty sure the earth itself will continue to be fine for millions of years after humans can no longer live here. But I don't care much about that either.

But I certainly do wish there were more than 140 years of recorded data. It would help demonstrate just how rapidly the climate is changing.

All of that being said, I hate articles like the one Tim linked to. When these somewhat over-the-top predictions fail to materialize, it distracts attention from the things that actually are happening right now.
:lmao:

If your primary concern is about the survival of the human race Global Warming shouldn't be high on the list.
1. Cancer caused by second-hand red meat.

2. Sharknado's.

3. Jem and the Holograms opening weekend.

4. Rouge military blimps.

5. Chupacabra and Jackalope's cross breeding.
4. Rouge military blimps.

 
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jon_mx said:
timschochet said:
jon_mx said:
It will be funny after we had an 18-year hiatus from global warming, now that we did get a temperature spike (mostly due to an El Niño), the chicken littles can come out in full gorse screaming about how the sky is falling.
There was never any hiatus. This has been completely debunked, yet you keep repeating it.
:lol: Right Timmy. Yes there are a few in dinial and are in total spin mode, but there was and it has been widely acknowledged.
The pause has been so completely and thoroughly debunked that the debunked conclusion doesn't even have to be defended, and any questions regarding the debunked pause can be safely ignored, because the debunking narrative is actually more powerful than the debunking science or constitution itself, that's how powerful the debunking is.

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/258375-agency-wont-give-gop-internal-docs-on-climate-research

 
jon_mx said:
timschochet said:
jon_mx said:
It will be funny after we had an 18-year hiatus from global warming, now that we did get a temperature spike (mostly due to an El Niño), the chicken littles can come out in full gorse screaming about how the sky is falling.
There was never any hiatus. This has been completely debunked, yet you keep repeating it.
:lol: Right Timmy. Yes there are a few in dinial and are in total spin mode, but there was and it has been widely acknowledged.
The pause has been so completely and thoroughly debunked that the debunked conclusion doesn't even have to be defended, and any questions regarding the debunked pause can be safely ignored, because the debunking narrative is actually more powerful than the debunking science or constitution itself, that's how powerful the debunking is.

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/258375-agency-wont-give-gop-internal-docs-on-climate-research
There have been two published studies which adjusted the temperature record which suggest there has been a temperature increase during the last 15 years, but even those acknowledge it has been at a much slower rate than previous and way lower than projected. There are numerous studies which are still being published which try to explain the slowdown/pause in global warming. It is still the consensus in published scientific articles that there was a hiatus in global warming. To say it has been completely and thoroughly debunked is to be ignorant of the facts and spinning up the latest published study to match an agenda.

ETA; I realize your sarcasm, the comment is more directed at Tim.

 
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jon_mx said:
timschochet said:
jon_mx said:
It will be funny after we had an 18-year hiatus from global warming, now that we did get a temperature spike (mostly due to an El Niño), the chicken littles can come out in full gorse screaming about how the sky is falling.
There was never any hiatus. This has been completely debunked, yet you keep repeating it.
:lol: Right Timmy. Yes there are a few in dinial and are in total spin mode, but there was and it has been widely acknowledged.
The pause has been so completely and thoroughly debunked that the debunked conclusion doesn't even have to be defended, and any questions regarding the debunked pause can be safely ignored, because the debunking narrative is actually more powerful than the debunking science or constitution itself, that's how powerful the debunking is.http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/258375-agency-wont-give-gop-internal-docs-on-climate-research
You are not living in reality.

There was a study, which has been questioned by some on all sides of the climate debate.which adjusts the surface temperature data. The atmospheric data still shows a pause. Going back and retroactively adjusting temperatures shows how formidable a task it is to even get an accurate measure of the Earth's temperature. When we are talking one or two degrees over a century, there is not a lot of margin for error in a process that, with these constant adjustments to observed data decades after the fact shows the measurement is not precise.

 
I love how Tim posts how completely debunked something is, then runs and hides because he can't defend his comment. Easily has the most shallow understanding of the topic and is only capable of parroting the spin. Oh yeah, he is so pro-science.

 
NASA study reports net gains in Antarctic ice mass.

"We're essentially in agreement with other studies that show an increase in ice discharge in the Antarctic Peninsula and the Thwaites and Pine Island region of West Antarctica," said Jay Zwally, a glaciologist with NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, and lead author of the study, which was published on Oct. 30 in the Journal of Glaciology. "Our main disagreement is for East Antarctica and the interior of West Antarctica - there, we see an ice gain that exceeds the losses in the other areas."
"The good news is that Antarctica is not currently contributing to sea level rise, but is taking 0.23 millimeters per year away," Zwally said. "But this is also bad news. If the 0.27 millimeters per year of sea level rise attributed to Antarctica in the IPCC report is not really coming from Antarctica, there must be some other contribution to sea level rise that is not accounted for."
 
The real big news is that the global sea temperature reflected the largest departure from normal temperature in history. The oceans have been absorbing so much heat in recent years, helping mask the true increase in global temps. If they are no longer able to absorb so much heat, the surface temps are going to begin to really cook.
saving this one for posterity
Please do.

NOAA won't release its report on global temps for October until next week, but various other agencies have already labeled it the warmest October on record. It's almost inevitable at this point that 2014 will go down as the hottest year on record.

Also reported earlier this week is that the world's oceans are now the warmest ever recorded, exceeding even those of the record-breaking 1998 El Nino year.

World's warmest recorded year. Oceans at their highest recorded temperature ever, even without an El Nino. 30 years without a single month where the average global temp was below the 20th Century average. It's just such a streak of amazing coincidences.
11 months later, and 2015 is going to be the hottest year on record by a shocking margin. Not only was it the warmest September on record, it was the warmest month ever - featuring the the greatest rise above average for any month in the 136-year historical record (comprised of 1,629 months). The next 3 months on that list have also occurred in 2015. Of the 10 hottest in months in recorded history, 7 have occurred in the last year.

Repeat: Of 1,629 recorded months, 7 of the 10 hottest have occurred in the last year.

Also,

September 2015: Hottest September ever

August: 2015: Hottest August ever

July 2015: Hottest July ever

June 2015: Hottest June ever

May 2015: Hottest May ever

April 2015: Third Hottest April ever

March 2015: Hottest March ever

February 2015: Hottest February ever

January 2015: Second Hottest January ever
October 2015: Hottest October ever.

Sixth straight month to record a record high, and 8 of 10 months this year have been records (along with a #2 and a #3 hottest).

Now a certainty that the Earth’s average temperature will rise 1 degree Celsius above pre-industrial levels for the first time by the end of this year.

I'll ask again, because I really don't understand. Why is this a partisan issue and not a shared public health concern?

 

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