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QB Russell Wilson, PIT (7 Viewers)
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Neofight
Footballguy
Amazing how fast things change in the NFL. Maybe this will finally shut up the few remaining Matt Flynn bandwagoners. Flynn is a good QB, but he is no Russell Wilson.And this defensive interior better get it together or they will be on the outside looking in come the playoffs.
He's played well for a rookie who's being reined in by offensive philosophy and limited by WR talent/drops.
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Flynn who?
Russell is showing to be the best QB in this draft class.
Russell is showing to be the best QB in this draft class.
Now you're just trying to get attention by being outrageous. Good shtick...I guess
drummer
Footballguy
He just wants to brag how moist he is over Russell.
Neofight
Footballguy
It will hard to be the best rookie QB in this class when Luck is on a pace to be the best rookie QB of all time. The offense Luck is running in Indy is more multiple than what Peyton ran; player packages and formations dwarf what the Colts did during the Manning years. Luck is truly special.
However, I'll take Russell Wilson in the third round any time. He is progressing every week as a pure pocket passer and is playing better than any rookie signal caller not named Andrew Luck. I love RG3 too. This class is going down as the best ever... Yes, better than that one too
However, I'll take Russell Wilson in the third round any time. He is progressing every week as a pure pocket passer and is playing better than any rookie signal caller not named Andrew Luck. I love RG3 too. This class is going down as the best ever... Yes, better than that one too
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
He leads all rookie QBs in TD passes and Wins.
Yes he does, but he's not the best QB in this draft class. I like what I see from him and all, but come on.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
The only thing he has against him is he is in Seattle. If he played on the east coast the media would be all over him. Best in this class.
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That and not being as good as Andrew Luck.
drummer
Footballguy
Max Threshold, the white courtesy phone is screaming.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
They have the same amount of wins (despite the hawks much more difficult schedule) and Wilson leads him in td passes....just sayin
Hooper31
Footballguy
If he plays poorly its going to be mentioned. He's young. He's going to have bad games. I fully expect the members that posted in this thread to chime in again at some point after a poor game. Wilson's good games and positive contributions will continue to be ignored.'proninja said:
General Malaise
Footballguy
General Malaise
Footballguy
And he's only going to get better. He's Drew Brees II. This is one different young man.
Hooper31
Footballguy
Hooper31
Footballguy
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
The Seahawks have an overall better "TEAM" than Andrew Luck does.Luck is the better QB.
And how has the Hawk's schedule been "much more difficult"?
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Seahawks have played a much tougher overall schedule than the Colts have. Wilson is the better QB.
Hooper31
Footballguy
Ya know, I love that Seattle has some crazy faithful fans. The noise they make at home games makes a difference. That said, bro you're making me cringe here.
I think this quarterback class has a chance to be a very special one, but there's not a GM in the NFL that would take Wilson ahead of Luck, RG3, or Tanneyhill. Maybe not even Cousins, but Wilson is doing a damn fine job of showing he belongs in the NFL to this point.
meanjoegreen
Footballguy
Luck leads him in rushing tds. Luck has 3 and Wilson has 0. They both have a total of 13 tds.
Incogneto
Footballguy
Scientist, you really really really need to stop it.
I am a huge seahawk fan. I think Wilson has been MUCH better than expected, and I love the future with him.
....But calling him better than Luck is borderline ######ed. Luck is the real deal, natural. The dude will win multiple Superbowls, and is leading one of the worst team in NFL history (last year) to respectability.
Wilson is a good, SOLID QB. Luck is a MuthaFu... PHENOM!
Cool it, please. you are making up Seahawk fans look bad.
I am a huge seahawk fan. I think Wilson has been MUCH better than expected, and I love the future with him.
....But calling him better than Luck is borderline ######ed. Luck is the real deal, natural. The dude will win multiple Superbowls, and is leading one of the worst team in NFL history (last year) to respectability.
Wilson is a good, SOLID QB. Luck is a MuthaFu... PHENOM!
Cool it, please. you are making up Seahawk fans look bad.
Incogneto
Footballguy
You think if they redo the draft, Tannehill goes before Wilson? I dont. RG3 and Luck, yes.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Spend more time talking football and less worrying about me.
Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
Yes Seattle does have some nutty fans.
Incogneto
Footballguy
You're making us look bad with your fishing. Stop it.Spend more time talking football and less worrying about me.
Seriously. Scientist is actually taking away from Wilson's terrific start. He looks very good out there and seems to be improving on a weekly basis. It's a great story, but the hyperbole around him being better than Luck/RGIII at this point in his career undermines Russell's accomplishments.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Cringe all you want....only history will tell. I have said from day 1 when its all said and done Wilson will be regarded as one of the top 2 QBs in this years class..... I stand by that. The 5 starting rookie QBs have all looked great so far this year, but draft slot does not dictate future success. Once you make the team what you do on the field matters. So while on draft day "there's not a GM in the NFL that would take Wilson ahead of Luck, RG3, or Tanneyhill" that is meaningless NOW.....
Hooper31
Footballguy
I've watched Tannehill play twice now this year. He's got a lot going for him. Right or wrong, GM's can't ignore the numbers when it comes to measuring physical tools. I think Tannehill looks like a long term keeper for the Dolphins. Ask a few Miami fans.
mjr
Footballguy
Wilson may look like he's keeping pace with Luck when you look at the stats but one thing is being ignored here, which to me makes Luck the better QB by far.
If you're a Def Coordinator playing against Indy, you want to force them to beat you on the ground. If you're playing Seattle, you want to force them to beat you through the air. This means Def coordinators are actually trying to squash Luck's game while generally giving Wilson more room to play while focusing more on shutting Lynch down.
If you're a Def Coordinator playing against Indy, you want to force them to beat you on the ground. If you're playing Seattle, you want to force them to beat you through the air. This means Def coordinators are actually trying to squash Luck's game while generally giving Wilson more room to play while focusing more on shutting Lynch down.
Hooper31
Footballguy
I get that you're making a rational argument, but who are you arguing with? There's one blind homer saying Wilson is better. Just one. Several other Seattle fans have chimed in saying as much. Scientist is enthusiastic, and we appreciate it, but it probably isn't worth your time. Its akin to having a foot face with a man with no legs. What's the point?
Neofight
Footballguy
Don't let one interpimp shade your perception of Wilson. Most Seattle fans are much more measured in their enthusiasm.
Neofight
Footballguy
Agreed with the Brees comparison. But it's not the height that is the the most defining characteristic they share; it's the preparation and mental focus. This kid is like a 10 year vet when it comes to film study and putting in the work. Brees is who he models himself after.And he's only going to get better. He's Drew Brees II. This is one different young man.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Wilson is definitely exceeding expectations and playing very well by rookie standards. He has not been asked to do a lot, but when he been asked to do a little more he has actually handelled it fairly well.
I gave him the pass for the San Fran game as that defense is as good as it gets, and with the exception of that game his last month of action has been quite good. He definitely is taking steps in the right direction.
I am starting to come around on him more and more as time passes. The consistency is the thing that I thought would have made Flynn the day 1 starter for this year the easy choice in Seattle, but if Wilson continues to play consistently then it was the right choice.
I gave him the pass for the San Fran game as that defense is as good as it gets, and with the exception of that game his last month of action has been quite good. He definitely is taking steps in the right direction.
I am starting to come around on him more and more as time passes. The consistency is the thing that I thought would have made Flynn the day 1 starter for this year the easy choice in Seattle, but if Wilson continues to play consistently then it was the right choice.
biju
Footballguy
I might even take this one step further and say he isn't just consistent, but improving.For me, Wilson has certainly been a surprise. People seem to have forgotten he was in a 3-man rotation during the pre-season so he didn't get enough reps for the early action. I think we'll see a greatly improved passing game in 2013, but even this year he's starting to really look good. A quick stat I read this morning: Tarvaris Jackson and Charlie Whitehurst threw for 16 TDs last season; Wilson has thrown 13 through 9 games. While that doesn't seem like something to get worked up about, the future certainly does look bright right now.
Neofight
Footballguy
There are plenty of reasons to point out why Luck is the better QB right now, but the fact that Seattle has a far superior running game to Indy isn't one of them. Luck needs to throw more based on the fact that they don't have a strong run game. Seattle has one of the best ground games in the league. So, while Luck should get kudos for putting up solid yardage numbers you can't really ding Wilson for not being required to do so, nor for playing in the same backfield as Marshawn Lynch.Luck has had to swallow a lot more in terms of formations and play calling though, and for that reason alone he is head and shoulders above the rest of this QB class
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
No more than in SF.
sho nuff
Footballguy
No bias there.But I believe you are incorrect on both counts.The Colts have a worse team...and the schedules are quite similar in toughness.
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drummer
Footballguy
You may have a point, since they gush over Alex Smith like you do Russell. Thing is, they know who Luck is too.
biju
Footballguy
I'm not sure I agree. Taking out the two common opponents (Green Bay, Minnesota) which both teams beat we're left with the following (in order of record)
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Colts-----Bears (7-1)Dolphins (4-4)Jets (3-5)Titans (3-6)Browns (2-7)Jaguars (1-7)Seahawks--------49ers (6-2)Patriots (5-3)Lions (4-4)Cardinals (4-5)Cowboys (3-5)Rams (3-5)Panthers (2-6)sho nuff
Footballguy
Just as the Rams and Panthers are awful.And lets not act as if Dallas is any good right now...nor are the Cardinals really.
The Hawks have a very nice win against the Pats...a slightly tainted one against the Packers (yeah, Im a bitter Packer fan...).
Colts had nice wins against the Dolphins and did not need help to beat the Packers.
Tau837
Footballguy
IMO if we could go back and hold the draft over knowing what we know now, Luck and RGIII would still go 1-2. And maybe Tannehill would go before Wilson.But the important difference is Wilson would be a top 10-15 pick, not a third round pick. He's proven that he deserved to be picked in the first half of the first round, just as he would have been if he were 2-3 inches taller.What order he and Tannehill would be taken in doesn't really matter with regard to how well Wilson is performing and how he looks for the future.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
X 100,000ItS is the kind of arrogant super homer fan that would put McGwire and Mirer above Montana and Young. Only thing I disagree with is that Wilson will be far better than solid eventually. I think, with weapons, he'll surpass Hass as a Seahawks QB.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
How is he far from it? 13Tds, 2 4th Q comeback wins, victories over Romo, Rodgers, Brady, Newton, 10th in the league in QB rating...... pretty damn good. I would venture to bet only a minority of people were saying Brees was better than Vick early on as well.
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