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1 minute ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

The blast from the past here is awesome. Great post. 

 

Agreed.

 HSG, is your PM box full?   I may be contacting you in the next week or two about an order.

Sorry to hijack this semi-dead JG thread, but anyway we can keep the faith alive....right?      :football:

 

 

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6 minutes ago, TZMarkie said:

 

Agreed.

 HSG, is your PM box full?   I may be contacting you in the next week or two about an order.

Sorry to hijack this semi-dead JG thread, but anyway we can keep the faith alive....right?      :football:

 

 

 TZM

I don’t think so, but I’ll check in a little bit.

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1 hour ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

How so? They’re a run-1st team that plays in predominantly 2-WR sets.

I’d look at Jaron Brown’s usage for a likely Indicator of how much he’ll see the field. :shrug:

I'd bet he plays a bit more than Jaron Brown. They've kind of been running a WRBC lately with Brown, David Moore, and even Malik Turner of late, though Brown has been the leader of that.

Gordon played well in both 2018 and 2017 when he was on the field, sure it wasn't at his all-pro level of 2013, but he's still been an above average WR. Hell, in 2018, Gordon, Brandin Cooks, and Kenny Golladay were almost the same guy on a PPG basis. 

It depends on how hard Gordon works obviously, but I wouldn't dismiss that he gets ahead of Metcalf either. I love Metcalf as a prospect, but he's been extremely sloppy at times(which was to be expected as a raw-ish rookie) and doesn't seem to know where he is supposed to be a lot of the time. I could certainly see a scenario where when Seattle goes 2-WR, it could be Gordon or Metcalf based on situation. Gordon isn't a bad run blocker either.

I'd think Gordon sees at least 40 snaps a game. From a fantasy aspect, I'd be in no rush to add Gordon yet, but its not hard to see him coming into value. If nothing else, I'd say this addition gives Wilson a higher ceiling. 

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1 hour ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

How so? They’re a run-1st team that plays in predominantly 2-WR sets.

I’d look at Jaron Brown’s usage for a likely Indicator of how much he’ll see the field. :shrug:

He's not going to be asked to run extensive route tree. Metcalf isn't making a rookie impact because he's a good route runner

Unless there's an injury, I don't see him having fantasy value in standard.

It's far and away the best spot for 2019 on field impact. If not Seattle, I think he's sitting out rest of season. 

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1 minute ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I don’t think so, but I’ll check in a little bit.

OK, I will probably reach out to you next week late.

You probably remember, but I got a couple boxes from you 2 years back I think.  (I won some in your kicker contest, then agreed to get the remainder of a case, or either 2 cases, can't remember offhand)

 Anyway, last time I checked, you increased the bottle sizes. (CONGRATULATIONS, guys have been looking for ways to increase their sizes for years!!!)  :excited:

 

Jokes aside, to those here that wondered, but never tried an order, give his sauces a whirl. If you are a hot sauce fan, he has a good selection and can hook you up.  (and they are very low on sodium, something I look for)

 

I'm probably looking at 2 cases, depending on price, and exactly how many bottles I am going to need for my poker buddies and fantasy league members. Probably be 10 days or so before I know exactly how many bottles I need.

 

 JOSH GORDON - I'm a big fan of the guy, but it looks like we are all down on him universally.  Everyone talks about the "good fit" for him in Seattle. Its probably a better fit for the team and Russell Wilson than fantasy in general, but thats just a knee jerk reaction.

In my start 3 WR leagues, I'm guessing he would be a flier as a WR3 possibly, in the right spot or two. I can't see anything much more than that offhand..... at least not until I see some targets and usage.

I gotta say, as a Russell Wilson owner in one league (.25 ppr, .25 points per completion for QB too) I think the addition of Gordon hasn't hurt my feelings.  :football:  I'm just tempering expectations on Gordon himself in fantasy.

 

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20 minutes ago, travdogg said:

I'd bet he plays a bit more than Jaron Brown. They've kind of been running a WRBC lately with Brown, David Moore, and even Malik Turner of late, though Brown has been the leader of that.

Gordon played well in both 2018 and 2017 when he was on the field, sure it wasn't at his all-pro level of 2013, but he's still been an above average WR. Hell, in 2018, Gordon, Brandin Cooks, and Kenny Golladay were almost the same guy on a PPG basis. 

It depends on how hard Gordon works obviously, but I wouldn't dismiss that he gets ahead of Metcalf either. I love Metcalf as a prospect, but he's been extremely sloppy at times(which was to be expected as a raw-ish rookie) and doesn't seem to know where he is supposed to be a lot of the time. I could certainly see a scenario where when Seattle goes 2-WR, it could be Gordon or Metcalf based on situation. Gordon isn't a bad run blocker either.

I'd think Gordon sees at least 40 snaps a game. From a fantasy aspect, I'd be in no rush to add Gordon yet, but its not hard to see him coming into value. If nothing else, I'd say this addition gives Wilson a higher ceiling. 

Maybe it’s possible he passes Metcalf… I thought they were very pleased with him, But I had not heard about the sloppiness. I agree though that Russell Wilson is the clear beneficiary of thisBut I had not heard about the sloppiness. I agree though that Russell Wilson is the clear beneficiary of this

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1 hour ago, ILUVBEER99 said:

How will SEA get a comp pick?  If anyone wanted him they coulda signed him off waivers for free.  Highly unlikely any team signs him in the offseason and gives up a comp pick.  

I think it was posted he has a clause in his contract that if he stays the year with his team Seattle would be eligible for a pick? I might have misread that.

5 hours ago, -fish- said:

Other thing is Seahawks covet draft picks.   Heard on the radio today that if Gordon can make it through this season without getting suspended, he'll be an unrestricted free agent.   Seahawks could end up with compensatory pick in exchange for the million or so that they'll pay on the rest of this year's contract.  

 

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30 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Maybe it’s possible he passes Metcalf… I thought they were very pleased with him, But I had not heard about the sloppiness. I agree though that Russell Wilson is the clear beneficiary of this

I think they are pleased with him, but they also know his current strengths and weaknesses, and likely don't want to overburden him, although that is purely speculation on my end. I do know, he's been a little careless with the ball, he's had a very bad fumble that was returned for a TD against the Ravens, and has had multiple miscommunications with Wilson, specifically in the redzone. One could make an argument Metcalf should be leading the NFL in TD catches with how much they have been trying to get him going down there, doubly so since Dissly got hurt, and it really hasn't worked out. Though he had 2 TD catches last week. 

The big issue for Metcalf right now, is that he is like 6-4 230, and sort of plays like he's Lockett's size sometimes. He doesn't seem to trust himself in traffic yet. If he gets that worked out though, he'll be scary good. In the meantime, Gordon offers a nice alternative, who could make things easier for both Lockett and Metcalf, if not from a fantasy standpoint, from an NFL one. 

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JG. Loved ya but dumped ya. Sweating waiver regret in NO, so glad with SEA.

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I don’t know how you cover Metcalf, Gordon, and the TE. 

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28 minutes ago, Otis said:

I don’t know how you cover Metcalf, Gordon, and the TE. 

Well, Dissley is out for the year, so covering Seattle’s TE is much easier than it was at least, but yeah - that’s a lot of size to compete with.

i wasn’t very impressed with how Gordon looked in NE, tbh. He looked a bit slower. And they didn’t seem to trust him with a big route tree. I’d have to take a look at that cool site someone once posted with all the routes by every WR game to game. 

It’ll be interesting to see if 

1. He stays in football or if another shoe drops

2. Seattle finds him to be useful

3. Seattle can make him productive in their system. 
 

#1 seems like the biggest concern - he fell out of favor with the Pats in a hurry. I thought once AB was gone we’d finally see JG hitting whatever potential he had. Instead of popping he fizzled. Hardly targeted, in favor of guys like Dorsett? As others have mentioned. something seems odd about that.

The pats might take more chances on red-flag type players than most and sometimes they miss,...but it seems rare that they let elite talent get away. So why cut him, especially when they seem to need WRs, especially big bodied RZ targets?  Edelman is getting banged up seemingly every week, and behind him they have Dorsett & Harry?  I find it difficult to believe a healthy JG isn’t better, faster, stronger than those two. 

some kind of shoe is gonna drop. 

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Gordon was never a really good fit for the Patriots passing attack, and many of us opined about it. Brady wants to get rid of the ball quick, and Gordon's main function was to stretch the field as a decoy. It just never added up to a meaningful connection given that Gordon, to the naked eye, has surely lost a step. (Maybe two.)

I hope this isn't about addiction or attitude, because this next year or two is really his last chance to cement a legacy. 

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3 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Gordon was never a really good fit for the Patriots passing attack, and many of us opined about it. Brady wants to get rid of the ball quick, and Gordon's main function was to stretch the field as a decoy. It just never added up to a meaningful connection given that Gordon, to the naked eye, has surely lost a step. (Maybe two.)

which is a little odd since Brady had no problem with a deep threat guy like Moss. 

but then, Cooks didn’t work out as a Patriot so maybe it’s a matter of poor OL play or old guy noodle-arm or both. :shrug:

3 minutes ago, rockaction said:

I hope this isn't about addiction or attitude, because this next year or two is really his last chance to cement a legacy. 

Sad to say, at this point his legacy is kind of cemented. This is his last chance to change people’s perception of that legacy. 

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Just now, Hot Sauce Guy said:

which is a little odd since Brady had no problem with a deep threat guy like Moss. 

but then, Cooks didn’t work out as a Patriot so maybe it’s a matter of poor OL play or old guy noodle-arm or both. :shrug:

I think it's a change in philosophy about how quickly they want the ball out to keep him upright mixed with the OL and that Moss is a HoF receiver whose specialty was deep balls and tracking them.

So it's a little of everything, I think, but it was clear that Brady wanted to get rid of the ball before Gordon gained separation and steps on the DBs covering him. It never looked right. If Gordon doesn't give up on plays, he's got a much better chance in Seattle, where Wilson will extend plays at a much greater rate than Brady did. 

That said, the other shoe dropping is always looming, and it looks like SEA is set at WR1 and WR2. But that's the uncertainty and risk/reward, one surmises. 

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2 minutes ago, rockaction said:

but it was clear that Brady wanted to get rid of the ball before Gordon gained separation and steps on the DBs covering him. It never looked right.

of course that could also be that Gordon wasn’t able to get separation from DBs covering him.

IIRC even at his peak he wasn’t great at that (other than a few busted coverage/JG streaking down there field type plays) - but his QBs were also willing to consistently throw up the 50-50 ball for JG to go up & get it. 

I recall that early on Brady tried a few of those to poor results, and honestly I don’t think the Pats are the gambling type of team to take those risks consistently, especially when you have a crisp route runner like Edelman who’s where he’s supposed to be on timing routes. 

Maybe Russell Wilson/Carroll are more willing to chuck it up & see what happens, but in NE Gordon seemed to lose those jump balls against smaller defenders. 

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10 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

of course that could also be that Gordon wasn’t able to get separation from DBs covering him.

IIRC even at his peak he wasn’t great at that (other than a few busted coverage/JG streaking down there field type plays) - but his QBs were also willing to consistently throw up the 50-50 ball for JG to go up & get it. 

I recall that early on Brady tried a few of those to poor results, and honestly I don’t think the Pats are the gambling type of team to take those risks consistently, especially when you have a crisp route runner like Edelman who’s where he’s supposed to be on timing routes. 

Maybe Russell Wilson/Carroll are more willing to chuck it up & see what happens, but in NE Gordon seemed to lose those jump balls against smaller defenders. 

Simply put, I agree with all of this but for the caveat that it might have been impossible to get separation given the amount of time he had and how DBs were playing off of him. That's about the only excuse to muster.  

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10 minutes ago, Man In The Box said:

Most overrated player in the history of fantasy sports. 

He is a lock for the Tatum Bell HOF.

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14 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

He is a lock for the Tatum Bell HOF.

He should have his own wing. Right next to Christine Michael. 

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To be fair, Gordon did at least have 1 great season. Bell and Christine Michael are a whole different level of disappointment. 

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Bump Finley!

 

Seriously, I got Josh as a throw-in piece in '16 and have used him less than 5 times since then; partly because he was unavailable and partly because I had better options. This year, my top WRs have missed a lot of time (Adams, Hilton) - so ... if there is any chance Gordon can contribute, I'll continue to hold. We have nothing better available on the wire. I am not expecting much, but I won't rule out WR3 type weeks - in a pinch.

Plus, I sincerely like the guy.

Go Flash!

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On 11/1/2019 at 5:48 PM, SCT said:

Nobody thinks there has to be a shoe about to drop?  If he's healthy why would the Patriots release him?  Why would he be passed up by 27 teams who could have him for free?  Something stinks.  And again, he hasn't gone a year without failing a drug test since 10th grade.

I believe the answer to your question is because he sucks. 

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Just now, Capella said:

I believe the answer to your question is because he sucks. 

Yeah, he just doesn't look good. He doesn't run the right routes, has a low catch rate, high drop rate, isn't very fast right now.

In short, he's kind of dud. 

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Who is that one guy who posted about Gordon every 15 seconds? I went back 3 pages and saw nothing. Gordon gets dumped from the best team in the league, almost everybody passes on him and that guy goes into hiding. 

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1 minute ago, rockaction said:

Yeah, he just doesn't look good. He doesn't run the right routes, has a low catch rate, high drop rate, isn't very fast right now.

In short, he's kind of dud. 

I’ve seen most of their games this year bc they are on national tv literally every week and he is just a zero out there now. No separation and when the ball comes to him it’s like he’s never seen a football before. 

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7 minutes ago, Capella said:

I’ve seen most of their games this year bc they are on national tv literally every week and he is just a zero out there now. No separation and when the ball comes to him it’s like he’s never seen a football before. 

Yeah. He's not helped by their quick strike offense, either. He doesn't have time to unlimber and get open. 

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Josh Gordon passed his Seahawks physical.

The physical was conducted Saturday, one day after Seattle claimed him off waivers from New England. It confirms that Gordon is indeed healthy while putting him on track to make his Seahawks debut next Monday night at San Francisco. Gordon will join a loaded Seahawks pass-catching corps already featuring slot receiver Tyler Lockett and electric rookie DK Metcalf. That's a pretty enticing arsenal for MVP candidate Russell Wilson, the current NFL leader in touchdown passes with 22.

SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter

Nov 4, 2019, 9:50 AM ET

 

 

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I'm a bit surprised there hasn't been more posting about him in Seattle.

He should start on the outside opposite Metcalf, with Lockett in the slot. Lockett has had insane efficiency, and Metcalf has outperformed expectations so far. I definitely think Gordon could have some value here.

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15 minutes ago, Just Win Baby said:

I'm a bit surprised there hasn't been more posting about him in Seattle.

He should start on the outside opposite Metcalf, with Lockett in the slot. Lockett has had insane efficiency, and Metcalf has outperformed expectations so far. I definitely think Gordon could have some value here.

I think it's about tempering expectations.   If he's not taking snaps from Metcalf, then he's taking Jaron Brown/David Moore's spot.   That's 45 targets on the season between the two of them.   Will he get more than those guys?  Maybe, but not many.   Lockett's going to get his 10, Metcalf is going to get 6-7, the RB's get 5 or so, and that leaves a handful in this offense for everyone else.    If Gordon has a 3/40/1 game or two, that's a win.   

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On 11/2/2019 at 8:34 PM, Capella said:

Who is that one guy who posted about Gordon every 15 seconds? I went back 3 pages and saw nothing. Gordon gets dumped from the best team in the league, almost everybody passes on him and that guy goes into hiding. 

SoulFly

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13 minutes ago, SCT said:

SoulFly

Yea, I doubt he went in to hiding. More than likely he moved on to his next (or past) alias and is sitting around seeing how many mentions he gets, as sad as that is.

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1 hour ago, -fish- said:

I think it's about tempering expectations.   If he's not taking snaps from Metcalf, then he's taking Jaron Brown/David Moore's spot.   That's 45 targets on the season between the two of them.   Will he get more than those guys?  Maybe, but not many.   Lockett's going to get his 10, Metcalf is going to get 6-7, the RB's get 5 or so, and that leaves a handful in this offense for everyone else.    If Gordon has a 3/40/1 game or two, that's a win.   

Fair points, but it is possible, maybe likely, Gordon is better than Brown, Moore, and the other Seattle WR4+ players. So I don't necessarily think he will be limited to the number of targets they got.

Also:

  • Lockett is averaging 8 targets per game. I think it is more likely that average drops than increases going forward.
  • Metcalf is averaging 6 targets per game. I wouldn't be shocked if that average drops going forward... though I also wouldn't be surprised if it increases.
  • Seattle is averaging 32.5 pass attempts per game. I wouldn't be shocked if that increased going forward... the way the Seattle defense is playing, they could end up in a lot of high scoring games.
  • And if either Lockett or Metcalf were to get hurt...

Just saying that I can see a scenario for Gordon to have value. Not saying he will be a league winner, was just surprised that there hadn't been more posting about him.

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11 minutes ago, Just Win Baby said:

Fair points, but it is possible, maybe likely, Gordon is better than Brown, Moore, and the other Seattle WR4+ players. So I don't necessarily think he will be limited to the number of targets they got.

Also:

  • Lockett is averaging 8 targets per game. I think it is more likely that average drops than increases going forward.
  • Metcalf is averaging 6 targets per game. I wouldn't be shocked if that average drops going forward... though I also wouldn't be surprised if it increases.
  • Seattle is averaging 32.5 pass attempts per game. I wouldn't be shocked if that increased going forward... the way the Seattle defense is playing, they could end up in a lot of high scoring games.
  • And if either Lockett or Metcalf were to get hurt...

Just saying that I can see a scenario for Gordon to have value. Not saying he will be a league winner, was just surprised that there hadn't been more posting about him.

Seattle isn't going to change its game plan or play calling for Gordon.  Sure, if someone gets injured, Gordon has more value.   They do have a lot of high-scoring offenses on their schedule and their defense is shaky, but their offensive philosophy is to run more and shorten the game, not to pass more to get into shootouts.    In a game script where they get down early, there will be more targets and Gordon may benefit.  Otherwise, the distribution is probably not going to change much from what it's been. 

You also have 3 pretty tough pass defenses in 49ers, Vikings and Panthers coming up.   Rams are middle of the pack and the Eagles pass D has improved from the disaster they were at the beginning of the season.  Only real favorable game is the Cardinals, but their rush defense is weak too, so if Carson/Penney exploit it there still won't be more targets.

I may end up being completely wrong on this, but I just don't see Gordon making much of an impact at all.    

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Since his breakout year in 2013, Gordon has only played in 28 games and averaged 3.67 receptions, 59 yards, and 0.2 TD in those games. That's very similar to what he produced in his time in NE (3.5 / 59 / 0.23). It's usually quite difficult to pick up a playbook and build chemistry with a QB in-season. I would expect Gordon to be the 3rd receiving option in SEA after Lockett and Metcalf. As a basis for comparison, here's how the 3rd most targeted WR has fared since Wilson took over as QB:

2012 Doug Baldwin 29-366-3
2013 Jermaine Kearse 22-346-4
2014 Paul Richardson 29-271-1
2015 Jermaine Kearse 49-685-5
2016 Tyler Lockett 41-597-1
2017 Tyler Lockett 45-555-2
2018 David Moore 26-445-5

Based on his numbers in NE, Gordon would rank in the WR 45-50 range. IMO, he looked, bigger, slower, less explosive, and struggled to get much separation in NE this year. At this point, I would be surprised if Gordon made much of a dent fantasy wise moving on to SEA.

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3 minutes ago, trader jake said:

It ain't a thing anymore.  Sell for what you can and move on (after he puts up a decent game).

Just curious what people consider a decent game these days. Most weeks, 20 points won't crack the weekly Top 10 (but would usually be Top 15).

Gordon put up 20 points the first game of 2014  (PPR scoring). He's had one game of 20+ points since then.

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This thread reminds me of the Trent Richardson thread...but a bit worse as this guy has done nothing....nothing since 2013.

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1 hour ago, Todem said:

This thread reminds me of the Trent Richardson thread...but a bit worse as this guy has done nothing....nothing since 2013.

I don't know why people keep saying he has done nothing since 2013. Gordon was a solid starter last season. Yeah, he wasn't the overall #1 WR he was in 2013, but saying he did nothing is just being silly. 

I don't think anyone, anyone rational anyway, was ever expecting Gordon to hit those 2013 numbers again, but he's been a solid option pretty much whenever he has played. Its entirely possible he finds his way into WR3 value, and from an NFL standpoint, its a no-risk, high reward move by Seattle. 

If I were hurting for a WR, I'd think he's worth a look off waivers. He's now part of the best passing game in the NFL, and one that is throwing more and more, since they have almost zero defense. I think 5-7 targets a week isn't unreasonable, especially with likely constant 1-on-1 coverage against 3rd CB's.

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50 minutes ago, travdogg said:

I don't know why people keep saying he has done nothing since 2013. Gordon was a solid starter last season. Yeah, he wasn't the overall #1 WR he was in 2013, but saying he did nothing is just being silly. 

I don't think anyone, anyone rational anyway, was ever expecting Gordon to hit those 2013 numbers again, but he's been a solid option pretty much whenever he has played. Its entirely possible he finds his way into WR3 value, and from an NFL standpoint, its a no-risk, high reward move by Seattle. 

If I were hurting for a WR, I'd think he's worth a look off waivers. He's now part of the best passing game in the NFL, and one that is throwing more and more, since they have almost zero defense. I think 5-7 targets a week isn't unreasonable, especially with likely constant 1-on-1 coverage against 3rd CB's.

Allow me to somewhat disagree. Here were his weekly rankings in PPR leagues last year . . .

50 - DNP - DNP - 80 - 29 - 51 - 25 - 51 - 5 - 25 - 36 - 21 - 22 - 85 - DNP - DNP

Essentially, if you owned him, you couldn't play him the first half of the season. Then he had a month where he was decent. And down the stretch and in fantasy playoffs you couldn't play him again. Was he totally worthless? No, But he had very limited utility.

Here were his weekly rankings this year . . .

29 - 83 - 30 - 49 - 34 - 88 - DNP - DNP - DNP

Most weeks in terms of WR fantasy scoring, the difference between being the #25 fantasy WR and the #40 WR in a given week is not all that much. It could be a point or two. Most weeks, it's a single reception. But the scoring difference to get into the Top 15 can be 10+ points and into the Top 5-10 can be 20+ points.

The point being, Gordon hasn't really even been hit or miss. He's been mostly misses. He didn't have many big weeks in NE to make him fantasy noteworthy or have real fantasy value. He essentially has been better served as a bye week filler or spot starter inserted in a lineup until a better, injured fantasy receiver gets back. Gordon no longer moves the needle in terms of fantasy scoring and for leagues with short rosters can be a wasted roster spot. He hasn't really been a fantasy asset for years. Gordon had ONE WEEK in the Top 20 in 2018 and 2019. Depending upon league size, there could be better weekly streaming options than trying to rely on Gordon.

Looking across all receivers that played in at least 8 games in 2018 and 2019 combined, Gordon ranks 50th in 0 PPR leagues. Given that he doesn't get a lot of receptions, he would rank lower in PPR leagues. I would be interested to see what people project him production wise for the rest of the season playing for the Seahawks.

 

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1 hour ago, travdogg said:

I think 5-7 targets a week isn't unreasonable, especially with likely constant 1-on-1 coverage against 3rd CB's.

I think he'll see 5-7 snaps.

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2 hours ago, travdogg said:

I don't know why people keep saying he has done nothing since 2013. Gordon was a solid starter last season.

Do people feel if they keep saying this it will suddenly become true? Or is it just a self-justification thing where folks have a complete inability to admit they made a poor choice hanging on to him for years? I simply don't get it.

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2 hours ago, pantherclub said:

Soulfly hasnt posted in a month

He destroyed Mayfield too.  His work is done.

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1 hour ago, DallasDMac said:

Do people feel if they keep saying this it will suddenly become true? Or is it just a self-justification thing where folks have a complete inability to admit they made a poor choice hanging on to him for years? I simply don't get it.

He's motivated this time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcWo8Y00bFk

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2 hours ago, pantherclub said:

Soulfly hasnt posted in a month

Owned 

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3 hours ago, -fish- said:

I think he'll see 5-7 snaps.

Is this schtick or what you really believe? I think he will see a lot of snaps. The Seahawks base set is 3 WRs. He is the 3rd WR, the 2nd outside WR, in those sets. I expect him to play more than 50% of the offensive snaps when healthy. Maybe not in his first game with the team, but after that.

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4 hours ago, travdogg said:

I don't know why people keep saying he has done nothing since 2013. Gordon was a solid starter last season. Yeah, he wasn't the overall #1 WR he was in 2013, but saying he did nothing is just being silly. 

I don't think anyone, anyone rational anyway, was ever expecting Gordon to hit those 2013 numbers again, but he's been a solid option pretty much whenever he has played. Its entirely possible he finds his way into WR3 value, and from an NFL standpoint, its a no-risk, high reward move by Seattle. 

If I were hurting for a WR, I'd think he's worth a look off waivers. He's now part of the best passing game in the NFL, and one that is throwing more and more, since they have almost zero defense. I think 5-7 targets a week isn't unreasonable, especially with likely constant 1-on-1 coverage against 3rd CB's.

Whaaat? LMAO.

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4 hours ago, DallasDMac said:

Do people feel if they keep saying this it will suddenly become true? Or is it just a self-justification thing where folks have a complete inability to admit they made a poor choice hanging on to him for years? I simply don't get it.

Gordon averaged 70 yards per game as a starter last season. That is the same as Kenny Golladay, Cooper Kupp, and Julian Edelman did that season. I'm not saying Gordon is an elite player by any means, but people saying he is washed up are delusional, or just have some kind of hate boner for the guy. 

I have no attachment to Gordon, but its crazy to me the amount of people who just want to completely write off a guy for no good reason. I think some people just get a lot of bitterness or hatred for some reason, and want to see guys fail. You see the same thing in the Cam Newton thread, and in the Beckham one as well. As soon as there is a slump, or injury, or whatever, its this guy sucks, and has sucked for years. 

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