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Yeah SD at KC but KC won't need that game. Wish we could have beat one of them at home none the less.This is were it'll likely all fall apart. No way KC wins that game.KC beat SD
Yeah SD at KC but KC won't need that game. Wish we could have beat one of them at home none the less.This is were it'll likely all fall apart. No way KC wins that game.KC beat SD
I think KC has a better shot of beating SD than the Bills beating NE, but yeah, both are pretty slim.This is were it'll likely all fall apart. No way KC wins that game.KC beat SD
Rivers has a bulging disk in his back. It's possible.flysack said:This is were it'll likely all fall apart. No way KC wins that game.KC beat SD
Yes they do. KC has to win out to make it.Gottabesweet said:Yeah SD at KC but KC won't need that game. Wish we could have beat one of them at home none the less.flysack said:This is were it'll likely all fall apart. No way KC wins that game.KC beat SD
I think he's suggesting if they lose today, they will most likely have nothing to play for.Yes they do. KC has to win out to make it.Gottabesweet said:Yeah SD at KC but KC won't need that game. Wish we could have beat one of them at home none the less.flysack said:This is were it'll likely all fall apart. No way KC wins that game.KC beat SD
I don't know... I think watching yet another key loss to the Patriots would actually be a lot worse.:(
I know the playoffs were a longshot, but this is not how you wanna go out.
I know this kind of stuff is personal, but I sincerely don't agree. I was rooting against NE earlier today so that our week 17 game would be important for both teams. Belicheck and Brady are cheating mother####ers, but I wanted to make the playoffs by beating them when it mattered for them, not in a meaningless game. Honking a game to a pathetic 2-win squad is way worse than losing to a 13-win team.I don't know... I think watching yet another key loss to the Patriots would actually be a lot worse.:(
I know the playoffs were a longshot, but this is not how you wanna go out.
I guess my hatred for them runs a little deeper. Sadly, losing to that team really bothers me. With nothing on the line, it won't be nearly as bad.I know this kind of stuff is personal, but I sincerely don't agree. I was rooting against NE earlier today so that our week 17 game would be important for both teams. Belicheck and Brady are cheating mother####ers, but I wanted to make the playoffs by beating them when it mattered for them, not in a meaningless game. Honking a game to a pathetic 2-win squad is way worse than losing to a 13-win team.I don't know... I think watching yet another key loss to the Patriots would actually be a lot worse.:(
I know the playoffs were a longshot, but this is not how you wanna go out.
Fair enough. I get where you're coming from.I guess my hatred for them runs a little deeper. Sadly, losing to that team really bothers me. With nothing on the line, it won't be nearly as bad.I know this kind of stuff is personal, but I sincerely don't agree. I was rooting against NE earlier today so that our week 17 game would be important for both teams. Belicheck and Brady are cheating mother####ers, but I wanted to make the playoffs by beating them when it mattered for them, not in a meaningless game. Honking a game to a pathetic 2-win squad is way worse than losing to a 13-win team.I don't know... I think watching yet another key loss to the Patriots would actually be a lot worse.:(
I know the playoffs were a longshot, but this is not how you wanna go out.
Except for the fact that the O-line is supposed to be his specialty. Marrone got several rookie O-lineman that had lots of talent and they were horrible.I can't even blame this on Marrone, as much as I would like to see him gone. Orton and the o-line turned in their worse game of the year against their weakest opponent. Nothing the coach can do about lack of talent.
Sadly what is on the bench is far worse. Yet another team that needs a franchise QB. It's an NFL epidemic right now.I don't blame guys for taking any money they can get, but if Orton had any pride at all, he would decline his player option and re-retire.
All he had to do was be a slightly below average QB that accurately puts the ball into the hands of his playmakers. And he was a total failure.
The last 2 months have been absolute bottom of the barrel garbage from him. It just especially sucks because he hurt the team as much as Manuel did and at least Manuel offered a chance to develop and a chance to do stuff with his feet. I thought going to Orton was the right move at the time and it's hard to second guess the team, but it still sucks that he was as awful as he was.
THIS.I don't blame guys for taking any money they can get, but if Orton had any pride at all, he would decline his player option and re-retire.
All he had to do was be a slightly below average QB that accurately puts the ball into the hands of his playmakers. And he was a total failure.
The last 2 months have been absolute bottom of the barrel garbage from him. It just especially sucks because he hurt the team as much as Manuel did and at least Manuel offered a chance to develop and a chance to do stuff with his feet. I thought going to Orton was the right move at the time and it's hard to second guess the team, but it still sucks that he was as awful as he was.
Become? hasn't it always been that way?Gotta admit I thought NeckBeard would be better too. Derek Carr looks better. I hate that this sport has become good QB or bust but since that's what it is, wake me up when they get one.
I can't even blame this on Marrone, as much as I would like to see him gone. Orton and the o-line turned in their worse game of the year against their weakest opponent. Nothing the coach can do about lack of talent.
I'm sure he is a stop-gap, as Manual was awfulOrton has been horrible the last couple of months. He does not have the arm to throw down the field and he is a statue in the pocket. He naturally checks down everything and targets guys 3 to 5 yards from the line of scrimmage. He has missed so many down field throws by miles while guys are so open. There have been times Watkins is college open and Orton can't hit him. It is painful to watch.
There is no way you can enter next year with Orton as the starter as you would be setting yourself up for failure.
I'm sick of the idiotic game-day decisions, like constantly punting when they should clearly run a play on 4th down.I can't even blame this on Marrone, as much as I would like to see him gone. Orton and the o-line turned in their worse game of the year against their weakest opponent. Nothing the coach can do about lack of talent.
It seems he's done a lot with a little and built the team back from garbage to respectaility in just couple of seasons. Give him an NFL caliber QB and they are a contender....
Manuel was pretty awful and he got benched for a reason. My guess is that he has very little chance of starting if Marrone returns next year. Most of us expect the Bills to bring in a QB through trade or free agency, and it's also hard to imagine them not drafting one.What happens next year in Buffalo? Do they go after a new QB in FA, draft a new hope, go back to Manuel or keep Orton?
What would you put the chances at of Manuel starting next year?
I'm asking mostly because I have Manuel and Orton in a 32 team league. Won't be keeping Orton as he'd cost $23,000 (almost 20% of the cap) as a franchise player which obviously isn't worth it. Could keep Manuel at $16,600 or could cut him with some roster management (complicated rules with a multiple year contract - in hindsight clearly a mistake). If there's a fair chance they go back to Manuel I probably keep him and cut other players who aren't worth their contracts; I can't cut others if I cut Manuel.
Agreed.Manuel was pretty awful and he got benched for a reason. My guess is that he has very little chance of starting if Marrone returns next year. Most of us expect the Bills to bring in a QB through trade or free agency, and it's also hard to imagine them not drafting one.What happens next year in Buffalo? Do they go after a new QB in FA, draft a new hope, go back to Manuel or keep Orton?
What would you put the chances at of Manuel starting next year?
I'm asking mostly because I have Manuel and Orton in a 32 team league. Won't be keeping Orton as he'd cost $23,000 (almost 20% of the cap) as a franchise player which obviously isn't worth it. Could keep Manuel at $16,600 or could cut him with some roster management (complicated rules with a multiple year contract - in hindsight clearly a mistake). If there's a fair chance they go back to Manuel I probably keep him and cut other players who aren't worth their contracts; I can't cut others if I cut Manuel.
Much more so now. Impossible for a modern day Marino not to win more.Become? hasn't it always been that way?Gotta admit I thought NeckBeard would be better too. Derek Carr looks better. I hate that this sport has become good QB or bust but since that's what it is, wake me up when they get one.
Marrone has a solid track record of teams improving under his watchI'm sick of the idiotic game-day decisions, like constantly punting when they should clearly run a play on 4th down.I can't even blame this on Marrone, as much as I would like to see him gone. Orton and the o-line turned in their worse game of the year against their weakest opponent. Nothing the coach can do about lack of talent.
It seems he's done a lot with a little and built the team back from garbage to respectaility in just couple of seasons. Give him an NFL caliber QB and they are a contender....
Also, I'm not seeing his contribution to the quality of our team. The offense -- which is his area -- is a complete trainwreck. Maybe it would be even worse under a different coach, but I see no reason for believing that.
The main thing, though, is that I think this team can attract a solid coach now that its under new ownership. We only hired Marrone because he was willing to take the job. We can do better than that now and there's no reason why we should settle.
Not really, at least not at this level. QB is obviously a huge issue, but Marrone is still a question mark IMO.Marrone has a solid track record of teams improving under his watchI'm sick of the idiotic game-day decisions, like constantly punting when they should clearly run a play on 4th down.I can't even blame this on Marrone, as much as I would like to see him gone. Orton and the o-line turned in their worse game of the year against their weakest opponent. Nothing the coach can do about lack of talent.
It seems he's done a lot with a little and built the team back from garbage to respectaility in just couple of seasons. Give him an NFL caliber QB and they are a contender....
Also, I'm not seeing his contribution to the quality of our team. The offense -- which is his area -- is a complete trainwreck. Maybe it would be even worse under a different coach, but I see no reason for believing that.
The main thing, though, is that I think this team can attract a solid coach now that its under new ownership. We only hired Marrone because he was willing to take the job. We can do better than that now and there's no reason why we should settle.
The offense is stymied by the poor play of the QB
2000 RavensBecome? hasn't it always been that way?Gotta admit I thought NeckBeard would be better too. Derek Carr looks better. I hate that this sport has become good QB or bust but since that's what it is, wake me up when they get one.
He does? Seems to me that his track record says he took an awful Syracuse team and got them to .500. That's about it.FlapJacks said:Marrone has a solid track record of teams improving under his watchThe offense is stymied by the poor play of the QBI'm sick of the idiotic game-day decisions, like constantly punting when they should clearly run a play on 4th down.I can't even blame this on Marrone, as much as I would like to see him gone. Orton and the o-line turned in their worse game of the year against their weakest opponent. Nothing the coach can do about lack of talent.
It seems he's done a lot with a little and built the team back from garbage to respectaility in just couple of seasons. Give him an NFL caliber QB and they are a contender....
Also, I'm not seeing his contribution to the quality of our team. The offense -- which is his area -- is a complete trainwreck. Maybe it would be even worse under a different coach, but I see no reason for believing that.
The main thing, though, is that I think this team can attract a solid coach now that its under new ownership. We only hired Marrone because he was willing to take the job. We can do better than that now and there's no reason why we should settle.
Maybe... but is he a guy that can get you over the top? I don't think so.If Hoyer is available, would he be an upgrade for the Bills?
They are already judged what they had. I think they've moved on.Should have just stuck with EJ. A worse record would not matter since they missed the playoffs and 28 games played instead of 14 would be a better sample size to judge what you have.
Because Marrone gains nothing by starting Manuel.Why the hell is Orton going to start against New England? What is the possible long-term upside here?
I'm open to the possibility that maybe a year on the bench might possibly have done EJ some good, but we can sort that out in camp. Otherwise I agree. Manuel was just brutal earlier in the season, and I think the staff saw all they felt they needed to see.They are already judged what they had. I think they've moved on.Should have just stuck with EJ. A worse record would not matter since they missed the playoffs and 28 games played instead of 14 would be a better sample size to judge what you have.
He gains by giving Manuel some more playing time which could provide dividends next year.Because Marrone gains nothing by starting Manuel.Why the hell is Orton going to start against New England? What is the possible long-term upside here?
I strongly disagree with the "fire Whaley" talk.I don't know how I feel about all this talk of getting rid of Whaley. I think he's done a very good job rounds 2-7. He's been terrible in round 1, and hasn't been able to find us a competent QB, but there's no doubt this team is on the rise and almost there.
I'm almost hoping everyone sticks around (unless Bill Cowher decides to come back).