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Isaiah Crowell (4 Viewers)
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Maybe that was just a description of Crowell's general disposition? He sure is a hopeful RB!
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I did, lol.
Pettine did say he 'might' hold him out of practice today and he was riding the bike on the sidelines instead of taking treatment so if Pettine says he's hopeful that Crow will play Sunday but that he might practice today I read it as he's a go for Sunday because if he was truly doubtful to play Sunday their wouldn't be any question as to whether or not he'd practice today and he certainly wouldn't be riding a stationary bike on the sidelines if he had treatment scheduled.
So once again, read into it what you may. I think he plays Sunday and the RB they signed hasn't been activated and if he does he'll likely play special teams and Glenn Winston will get bumped up into his first playing time because Pettine mentioned Glenn Winston possibly being activated.
Van Dyman
Footballguy
Crowell did not practice today.
Isaiah Crowell Injury: Updates on Browns RB's Hip and Return
Browns Running Back Carousel Turning Again
Isaiah Crowell Injury: Updates on Browns RB's Hip and Return
Browns Running Back Carousel Turning Again
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
The fact that Crowell has fumbled almost twice as often as West (1/38 touches vs 1/71), but Pettine is singling out West as the one with a problem might tell you everything you need to know about which guy the coaches really like. Terrible coaching though IMO.
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jurb26
Footballguy
Or he's just grown tired of turnovers and has made it a point of emphasis recently, making West a bit of the scape goat. Often times coaches will use something to drive an overriding point and somebody has to be the catalyst.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Exactly. Crowell had the ball knocked out on as soft a play as you'll ever see a couple weeks ago, but it's West that got the hook and the public criticism even though he's had less issues than Crowell overall.
Crowell = Darrelle Revis, West = Jonas Gray
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Crowell has a lot more skill than West, therefore the coach doesn't want to scapegoat him. It's pretty simple.
One
Not Allowed In Mexico
Though it hasn't shown in the box score, West has been dropping the ball a lot over the last 3 games.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Scott Petrak ct @ScottPetrak · 28m 28 minutes ago
#Browns Pettine expects RB Isaiah Crowell (hip) to practice today.
#Browns Pettine expects RB Isaiah Crowell (hip) to practice today.
mlbnfl
Footballguy
I havent watched a ton of Browns games, could you clarify this? Box scores show fumbles and then fumbles lost so that would make me think any time he puts the ball on the turf it would be in the box score. I guess something like him fumbling it out of bounds as he heads towards the sideline probably wouldnt show up or something.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Update, he is practicing.
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Nate Ulrich @NateUlrichABJ · 11m 11 minutes ago
#Browns RB Isaiah Crowell (hip) is practicing today after sitting out yesterday.
jtp1982
Footballguy
He's lost the ball after being ruled down a time or two recenty and it looked a little fishy until you ran it in slow motion. Maybe that's what he's referring to.
Bigger picture I would speculate Pettine is factoring in how key the fumble was in winning/losing and how recenty it happened. Pettine's paid to win games and the NFL is about what have you done for me lately.
West lost a game changing fumble (Pettine's view) last week. Those two things make it a bigger deal.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Deamon
Footballguy
Without getting into the "should there be a week 17 championship" debate, its quite rare any leagues play that week so I doubt many people have been watching that matchup.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Also there is a recency effect that happens too. I doubt Pettine is still calling Crowell in his office for the fumble he had against the Texans. But you can bet he's thinking about the West fumble because the media is still asking him about it. Crowell is doing what we all hoped he would do. He's cementing down this job more and more each week. Think about the chain of events for Crowell. He's passed 6 distinct thresholds that all starting running backs need to surpass to achieve a starting gig in the NFL.
Threshold 1: Sign with an NFL team. Undrafted but signed as a priority free agent on a team that had signed Tate and drafted West.
Threshold 2: Make it a competition at RB. We knew early on that he was going to be a presence back there with Tate and West.
Threshold 3: Make the team. Easily passed this threshold.
Threshold 4: Shows he belongs. Showed right away that he could ball. Scored a touchdown on his very first NFL carry. And his third carry as well.
Threshold 5: Rise to the top of the depth chart - Tate isn't even on the team anymore and West is in the doghouse. I'd say he's past this threshold as well.
Threshold 6: Eliminate the RBBC. Time to transition from role player to stud. Become a true workhorse ala Leveon Bell.
Threshold 7: Feast. This is where we sit right now.
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Yep, I think against the Bengals he lost one (same game I think Crowell got sat for fumbling) and it was a clear fumble, but they recovered and no one challenged. The announcers rewound and showed it was a clear fumble. Unless the coaches were told, they may not have noticed/realized until after the game. I think there was another last week or this week where they called him down as well. I think over the last 4 weeks, he's had 2 more fumbles that weren't called that and thus weren't in the box scores, but replays showed they were. As One posted, West has put the ball on the ground a lot more the last few weeks compared to Crowell and one of them was returned for a TD in what was a close game.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
From last night's Audible podcast, Dr. Jene Bramel's take on Isaiah Crowell.
He thinks he plays and he's very confident that he's healthy.
Go to the 28:20 mark of last night's Audible to hear all of Dr. Jene's comments but the bottom line is the good doctor is very confident that the Crow will play Sunday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsPo8hcmMZg
Dr. Jene: "As of Thursday all signs are that he's going to play."
Also I posted this in the Cleveland Browns thread, a link to a podcast of two former Browns employees who worked in the media and they are still dialed-in and they really lay down some knowledge on the team and in particular the two rookie RBs. I think anyone interested in Isaiah Crowell and Terrance West and even RB Glenn Winston should listen to this one. (they also dish on WR Josh Gordon, QB Johnny Manziel, and the Browns top pick in last year's draft CB Justin Gilbert, very raw language and they cut thru the normal media BS)
He thinks he plays and he's very confident that he's healthy.
Go to the 28:20 mark of last night's Audible to hear all of Dr. Jene's comments but the bottom line is the good doctor is very confident that the Crow will play Sunday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsPo8hcmMZg
Dr. Jene: "As of Thursday all signs are that he's going to play."
Also I posted this in the Cleveland Browns thread, a link to a podcast of two former Browns employees who worked in the media and they are still dialed-in and they really lay down some knowledge on the team and in particular the two rookie RBs. I think anyone interested in Isaiah Crowell and Terrance West and even RB Glenn Winston should listen to this one. (they also dish on WR Josh Gordon, QB Johnny Manziel, and the Browns top pick in last year's draft CB Justin Gilbert, very raw language and they cut thru the normal media BS)
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The Captain
Footballguy
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Good to know we have someone on the inside.
saintfool
Dead sexy
if i heard it correctly in this podcast, the issue with West and Crowell is simply inexperience at the pro level. they don't know the playbook. they don't know what to do one play to the next and it's hindering the entire the flow of the offense, taking away options and generally the entire offense. it would explain why they kept tate around as long as they did.
BigBlue_RI
Footballguy
West is a FA in my league and we freeze rosters at kickoff on Sunday. Worth cutting Jerick McKinnon for West since I have Crowell?
Nero
Footballguy
Deamon
Footballguy
I say yes. McKinnon isn't likely startable for the rest of the year with Asiata and Tate (and maybe AP?) in the mix. West has a ceiling of a strong rb2 if crowell doesn't play... mckinnon's ceiling seems to be much lower.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Definitely some handcuff value to West. Have you looked at Minnesota's schedule? Brutal.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
West's status isn't clear.
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Vic Travagliante @Trav923 · 18h 18 hours ago
Pettine said RB Terrance West had a good week of practice...however he noted there is a chance he doesn't suit up on Sunday
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My bad on potential severity of Isaiah Crowell's injury because hips can linger so check Sig's Sunday morning pod tomorrow with Dr. Jene who will give injury updates prior to kickoff.
I've mentioned Browns RB Glenn Winston numerous times over the months for a reason, the club really likes him.
Don't overlook this kid.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/12/cleveland_browns_running_back_35.html
Cleveland Browns running back Glenn Winston: 'I'm looking to let the chains off the beast'
By Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media Group
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
BigBlue_RI
Footballguy
Geez these Petine quotes reek of indecision. Thank god the owner I'm playing is not a shark, he'd probably have grabbed West or Winston by now.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Well both of the guys on that pod were/are former employees of the Cleveland Browns. Both of them got their positions when they were young and full of themselves and they were A-holes and they both fess up to it and own it. Both got too full of themselves and lost their jobs and regret it but now they know and they see their own personal flaws when they were younger and full of themselves in some of the young pro players that they deal with and they try to mentor them just as Andre Knott relayed when he tried to take SS T.J. Ward under his wing a few years ago but was kinda rebuffed.
This pod is raw and real. Both of these guys also do the vanilla main-steam/lame-stream type of media schitck so hearing a pod like this where they just lay it out there is refreshing to say the least and I think it provides better insights in 45 minutes than you can read in 45 full length stories because they don't hold back.
So per you comment I'd substitute IMMATURITY for INEXPERIENCE because from what I get from the pod is that both of the rookie RBs are immature and the symptom of that are the mistakes they make on the field where if they were mature and acted like pros they would prepare better and would not make those sorts of mistakes. Honest mistakes of the inexperienced are one thing but what Zac Jackson and Andre Knott are talking about is something else entirely and don't forget.
RB Terrance West has already been a healthy scratch earlier in the year by Pettine for not practicing correctly during the week and RB Ben Tate got cut because he sulked about his carries. Its about the culture Pettine is instilling and young guys not getting it, yet.
saintfool
Dead sexy
Both Crowell and West can catch with success. It comes down to pass protection, I think. Though if you ask Pettine, it may come to who has a hotter hand.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
On the 32 person spectrum of NFL Head Coaches, Pettine is relatively forthcoming. Not saying much, but more than most.
CLE RBs have not been heavily involved in the passing game all year. Through 12 games: 32 targets, 24 rec, 170- something yards. 4 catches would be a milestone.
CLE RBs have not been heavily involved in the passing game all year. Through 12 games: 32 targets, 24 rec, 170- something yards. 4 catches would be a milestone.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
BigBlue_RI
Footballguy
This is it for pickups rest of way. That's why I want to be careful of who I grab with two pickups still available to me.
RenegadeGM
Footballguy
thatguythere
Footballguy
The general lack of info on Crow's injury leads me to believe it was just some rest days, because they know he has to carry a bigger load this week. I can't believe they would deactivate West, but stranger things have happened this year in this backfield.
I guess everyone will just have to watch Tony Grossi on twitter, he is usually spot on a few hours before the game.
I guess everyone will just have to watch Tony Grossi on twitter, he is usually spot on a few hours before the game.
BigBlue_RI
Footballguy
I can't see that many carries even if west is deactivated. Browns will be throwing in the second half.
jtp1982
Footballguy
I would agree if he practiced fully on Friday. Off middle week, practice Friday seems to be the larger NFL pattern for resting guys.
I'm also worried by the Questionable tag. I think it shows Crowell and the staff possibly aren't on the same page. He's saying publicly he's ready to go while they're grouping him with their always-concussed tight end on the injury report.
Unfortunately, I think Bramel's write-up today is about as accurate as we can get. He probably plays but there is some decent risk of reduced workload/aggravation.
Anybody know how Crowell did playing through injuries in college?
BigBlue_RI
Footballguy
Rotoworld reporting Crowell expected to play. I doubt we'll know just how much of the load he'll carry until the game is in full swing
Cheesedawg
Footballguy
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Josie Maran
Footballguy
From what I heard, he had a dislocated elbow and still kicked the #### out of d-bags that called him a wimp at UGA.
BigBlue_RI
Footballguy
Now wondering if I should just slide Herron in as my #2 back and flex Jarvis Landry, sitting Crow in hopes I advance to Rd 2.
