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7 hours ago, Just Win Baby said:

The Chargers will get a 3rd round compensatory pick when Gordon signs with another team. No point in trading him for less. 

Not necessarily.

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I've posed this question to a few people:  "Which Gordon will have more fantasy points this year, Josh or Melvin?"

Most everybody is saying Josh will do something stupid to get suspended again and that Melvin will have more points but I think Melvin isn't coming back or getting traded anytime soon and Josh will have more points.

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19 minutes ago, KellysHeroes said:

any chance the Packers come knocking?  Gordon is leaps and bounds better than Jones and he'll be out of the conference 

GB would face the same issues being discussed in here. If they view him as a one year only rental option, would Gordon play for another team if he is holding out for a new contract with a lot of it guaranteed? If they want to give him a new contract and overpay financially (he's probably a Top 10-12 back wanted Top 3 money), then what would they be willing to give up in draft picks when they would also have to give him big money? I don't see any team forking over a first round pick for Gordon. I can't even remember the last time a RB got traded for a first round pick.

Gordon wants too much money, the Chargers want too much in a trade for Gordon, the team won't negotiate a new deal with Gordon, and teams won't want to give up much for a player that is refusing to play unless he cashes in. None of that bodes well for a trade getting consummated or Gordon getting back on the field.

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10 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

As I outlined earlier, the best third round compensatory pick is essentially an early 4th round pick (the best one comes after all the 3rd round picks have been made). Given the exploding salaries of free agents of late at other positions, Gordon might only qualify for a 4th round compensatory pick (which is essentially an early 5th round pick). The other issue is that compensatory picks would be for two drafts away. Most teams look at picks from future drafts beyond the next one at a discount. Since it is further into the future and the team would have to wait, generally speaking, those future picks usually get valued as one round later than they actually are. So what you call a 3rd round compensatory, which is really an early 4th round pick, would be considered essentially an early 5th round pick in terms of trade value. If Gordon were to fall to the 4th round compensatory pick level, that would essentially be worth an early 6th round pick in trade value. And if the Chargers signed a high priced free agent with a similar average annual contract value next off season, they would not get anything for Gordon as far as compensatory picks go.

That's how NFL GM's look at things. So IMO, an offer of a 3rd round pick in the upcoming 2020 draft carries far more trade capital than a chance at a 3rd round compensatory pick in the 2021 draft (if they even earn one for Gordon).

 

4 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Not necessarily.

 

Yes, understand where compensatory draft picks fall, and understand that there is no guarantee. However, Gordon is likely to sign for a high average salary and presumably is likely to play enough for his next team in 2020 to grade high in the compensatory formula. It is rare that the Chargers sign external free agents to high average salaries, so it seems likely that the Gordon compensatory pick will be a 3rd round pick.

These picks have been valuable to the Chargers. There are 13 players drafted in the 4th round or later since 2016 on the Chargers' current roster, and another on IR. So Telesco has had a high success rate with his late round picks, and I can assure you that Telesco will value a 3rd or 4th round compensatory pick.

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1 minute ago, Just Win Baby said:

These picks have been valuable to the Chargers. There are 13 players drafted in the 4th round or later since 2016 on the Chargers' current roster, and another is on IR. I can assure you that Telesco will value a 3rd or 4th round compensatory pick.

Therein lies why a trade will likely not happen. The Chargers will value that potential 3rd or 4th compensatory pick and try to justify that as a reason to get a high pick from one of the other 31 teams. But if no other team is willing to part with a high pick, nothing will happen. No one is saying that the compensatory pick isn't valuable. The Eagles, Patriots, and Ravens live off of them.

As you mentioned, it's very late in the game and in season hold out trades are rare. Even if a team somehow were infatuated with Gordon, I would expect low ball offers for him. The Chargers have painted themselves into a corner and are in a quandary with no easily resolution. At this point, the Chargers are trying to facilitate a trade from a position of weakness. Any other team knows they are in a pickle.

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10 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

As I outlined earlier, the best third round compensatory pick is essentially an early 4th round pick (the best one comes after all the 3rd round picks have been made). Given the exploding salaries of free agents of late at other positions, Gordon might only qualify for a 4th round compensatory pick (which is essentially an early 5th round pick). The other issue is that compensatory picks would be for two drafts away. Most teams look at picks from future drafts beyond the next one at a discount. Since it is further into the future and the team would have to wait, generally speaking, those future picks usually get valued as one round later than they actually are. So what you call a 3rd round compensatory, which is really an early 4th round pick, would be considered essentially an early 5th round pick in terms of trade value. If Gordon were to fall to the 4th round compensatory pick level, that would essentially be worth an early 6th round pick in trade value. And if the Chargers signed a high priced free agent with a similar average annual contract value next off season, they would not get anything for Gordon as far as compensatory picks go.

That's how NFL GM's look at things. So IMO, an offer of a 3rd round pick in the upcoming 2020 draft carries far more trade capital than a chance at a 3rd round compensatory pick in the 2021 draft (if they even earn one for Gordon).

This.  Rivers isn't a spring chicken.  Waiting for 2 years for what is essentially an early 4th or early 5th is not ideal for a team designed to win now. 

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1 hour ago, Anarchy99 said:

The Chargers have painted themselves into a corner and are in a quandary with no easily resolution. At this point, the Chargers are trying to facilitate a trade from a position of weakness. Any other team knows they are in a pickle.

:confused: 

Odd take. The Chargers happen to have multiple very good backup RBs, an elite passing game, and an elite defense (though weakened until Derwin James returns). They were 4-0 without Gordon last year against TEN in London, CIN at home, and on the road against PIT and KC. Not an easy schedule of games.

Gordon will have to report in time for the second half of the season, or thereabouts. They should have no trouble getting by without him over the first 8 or 10 games, then they will have him down the stretch with fresh legs.

I'm surprised you don't seem to realize that the Chargers don't want to trade him and are not trying to facilitate a trade. They intentionally set an unreasonably high price, because it would take something unreasonably high to make them change their stance on that.

Gordon is the one who painted himself into a corner.

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1 hour ago, Pipes said:

This.  Rivers isn't a spring chicken.  Waiting for 2 years for what is essentially an early 4th or early 5th is not ideal for a team designed to win now. 

Yes, they are in a window to win now, which is why they aren't interested in trading Gordon, since that could negatively impact their chance to win in 2019. They will replace him this offseason, so this situation won't negatively impact their chance to win in 2020. The compensatory pick is just added value that comes with not trading him and not signing him to a contract above his value.

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1 minute ago, Just Win Baby said:

:confused: 

Odd take. The Chargers happen to have multiple very good backup RBs, an elite passing game, and an elite defense (though weakened until Derwin James returns). They were 4-0 without Gordon last year against TEN in London, CIN at home, and on the road against PIT and KC. Not an easy schedule of games.

Gordon will have to report in time for the second half of the season, or thereabouts. They should have no trouble getting by without him over the first 8 or 10 games, then they will have him down the stretch with fresh legs.

I'm surprised you don't seem to realize that the Chargers don't want to trade him and are not trying to facilitate a trade. They intentionally set an unreasonably high price, because it would take something unreasonably high to make them change their mind.

Gordon is the one who painted himself into a corner.

I meant if they were trying to trade him they won't get very far given what they are rumored to want back in a trade. I still think things won't be as hunky dory as you are making them, as I am not sure Gordon will come back and play the role of good soldier and give 110%. But we could be weeks and weeks away from that at this point.

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18 hours ago, Don Hutson said:

 

Keenan McCardell held out under contract and was traded shortly before the trade deadline.  And then he was forced to return $1.5 million of his signing bonus.  It is extremely rare for a player to hold out into the season when they are under contract.  This situation is a little different than most because Melvin kind of got the shaft when they slapped the 5th year option on him which is the average of the 3rd to 25th highest paid players at the position in the previous year because he was drafted between 11th and 32nd.  Technically he is under contract but this feels similar to a player who is slapped with the franchise tag, except he is being paid way less.  The 5th year option seems extremely unfair especially for a running back whose career is usually short.

 

He was advised by his agent and signed that deal. Unfair? He signed it. The team had a 5th year option.....he could have not agreed to a 5th year option knowing full well he could easily get locked into what he perceives as a below market deal.

 

So he is holding out. But he has zero leverage. Nada.  He will lose salary, pay fines and it is not going to end well. He is getting horrific advise.

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2 minutes ago, Todem said:

He was advised by his agent and signed that deal. Unfair? He signed it. The team had a 5th year option.....he could have not agreed to a 5th year option knowing full well he could easily get locked into what he perceives as a below market deal.

 

So he is holding out. But he has zero leverage. Nada.  He will lose salary, pay fines and it is not going to end well. He is getting horrific advise.

Curious, how does a first round pick go about receiving/signing a rookie contract that does not include the 5th year option?

I thought this was all stipulated by the CBA and was non-negotiable.

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Just now, davearm said:

Curious, how does a first round pick go about receiving/signing a rookie contract that does not include the 5th year option?

I thought this was all stipulated by the CBA and was non-negotiable.

Actually you are correct.

So again another example of his players union being weak and not negotiating a fair CBA. He can blame his union reps for his contract dispute not the owners.

I have sympathy for the players.....but in this case....he has zero leverage. Play your final season and freaking become a free agent and get your pay day. If you get hurt.....well dude...this is the game you chose to play. Players get insurance as well these days. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Todem said:

Actually you are correct.

So again another example of his players union being weak and not negotiating a fair CBA. He can blame his union reps for his contract dispute not the owners.

I have sympathy for the players.....but in this case....he has zero leverage. Play your final season and freaking become a free agent and get your pay day. If you get hurt.....well dude...this is the game you chose to play. Players get insurance as well these days. 

 

He doesn't have zero leverage, but it's not a lot.  All he can do is withhold his services.  That doesn't get him very far right now but if Ekeler and/or Jackson get hurt or are ineffective, and/or the Chargers see their season slipping away a few weeks in, that could change.

Given his options, I think it's pretty reasonable for him to hold out and minimize his injury exposure.  Play the 6 games (or whatever the magic number is) for $2M or whatever, and get out of there.  That's arguably better than enduring 16 games' worth of being run into the ground by a team that's moving on.

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Just now, davearm said:

He doesn't have zero leverage, but it's not a lot.  All he can do is withhold his services.  That doesn't get him very far right now but if Ekeler and/or Jackson get hurt or are ineffective, and/or the Chargers see their season slipping away a few weeks in, that could change.

Given his options, I think it's pretty reasonable for him to hold out and minimize his injury exposure.  Play the 6 games (or whatever the magic number is) for $2M or whatever, and get out of there.  That's arguably better than enduring 16 games' worth of being run into the ground by a team that's moving on.

Agree. And that is what he will ultimately end up doing. This is not ending well for the Chargers or his fantasy owners. Too bad. I like watching him play football. 

I think the Chargers will make due with Ekeler and Jackson though. While Gordon is certainly the best back on the team and by good amount...that combination will do fine and help them win games IMO. I saw enough of them last season to think in combination with Rivers and the passing game they can win without Gordon enough to soften the blow of not having Gordon in the lineup for 11 games if he indeed maxes his holdout to amount of games he can miss before coming back to make his contract service years valid to become an UFA in 2020.

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36 minutes ago, Todem said:

Agree. And that is what he will ultimately end up doing. This is not ending well for the Chargers or his fantasy owners. Too bad. I like watching him play football. 

I think the Chargers will make due with Ekeler and Jackson though. While Gordon is certainly the best back on the team and by good amount...that combination will do fine and help them win games IMO. I saw enough of them last season to think in combination with Rivers and the passing game they can win without Gordon enough to soften the blow of not having Gordon in the lineup for 11 games if he indeed maxes his holdout to amount of games he can miss before coming back to make his contract service years valid to become an UFA in 2020.

Why not on the bolded?  A fresh Melvin Gordon for the playoffs (with both of his backups likely being somewhat banged up) seems pretty righteous.  Given that he's going in the 7th-8th round of drafts lately, he's not really a guy you'd have to rely on to get to the fantasy playoffs any longer.

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1 minute ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Why not on the bolded?  A fresh Melvin Gordon for the playoffs (with both of his backups likely being somewhat banged up) seems pretty righteous.  Given that he's going in the 7th-8th round of drafts lately, he's not really a guy you'd have to rely on to get to the fantasy playoffs any longer.

Long prolonged hold outs never bode well for injuries. Soft tissue injuries are very high risk when you are not in football shape. Don't fool yourself.

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Again, on my DND list, and happy to not have  t to worry about him......I couldn't believe how soon he went in my drafts.  Like 7/8 I believe.....I get last couple round flier, but thats way to early 

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Anyone traded for him in dynasty?  Seems like great buy low for the long term, but owners may be holding.

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1 hour ago, jm192 said:

Anyone traded for him in dynasty?  Seems like great buy low for the long term, but owners may be holding.

I tried flipping him for the likes of David Montgomery (with me adding some "incentive" - pick upgrades, cash) but didn't work out.

For now I'm holding but would certainly consider an offer for a RB in the same tier.

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RBs are harmed by the 5th year option, but that's the current rule. It can't be wished away.

There won't be a trade. It's hard to find a win-win box in the payoff matrix of a negative-sum game.

Stud RBs don't add many team wins. How much did the Vegas line move when Elliott signed? (I think zero.) It's generally better to spend money elsewhere.

I think there's at least a 25% chance that Gordon will report within the next few weeks. $330K justifies a game's worth of injury risk. How many RB starts are there for every injury that affects future earnings? Hundreds? Thousands? Only compound fractures or torn Achilles seem to affect future earnings. Mere ACL tears don't seem to matter anymore. So a 0.5% risk per game seems generous, and would have to reduce future earnings by $60 million to make sitting out a +EV move.

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On 9/4/2019 at 6:48 PM, travdogg said:

On the flip side, you also know you are going to be on a playoff contender. There are a lot of players who would happily sacrifice 2-3 million a year to play for a good team. 

Oh that is definitely not true. Maybe a few older vets at the end of the road but nobody coming out of the draft. 

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11 hours ago, Just Win Baby said:

Yes, they are in a window to win now, which is why they aren't interested in trading Gordon, since that could negatively impact their chance to win in 2019. They will replace him this offseason, so this situation won't negatively impact their chance to win in 2020. The compensatory pick is just added value that comes with not trading him and not signing him to a contract above his value.

That makes zero sense. Don’t want to sign him. Don’t want to trade him. How does that help them again? So what’s their strategy?

On the fantasy front I own zero shares of Chargers and I’m OK with that  

 

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59 minutes ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

RBs are harmed by the 5th year option, but that's the current rule. It can't be wished away.

There won't be a trade. It's hard to find a win-win box in the payoff matrix of a negative-sum game.

Stud RBs don't add many team wins. How much did the Vegas line move when Elliott signed? (I think zero.) It's generally better to spend money elsewhere.

I think there's at least a 25% chance that Gordon will report within the next few weeks. $330K justifies a game's worth of injury risk. How many RB starts are there for every injury that affects future earnings? Hundreds? Thousands? Only compound fractures or torn Achilles seem to affect future earnings. Mere ACL tears don't seem to matter anymore. So a 0.5% risk per game seems generous, and would have to reduce future earnings by $60 million to make sitting out a +EV move.

Keep going with your odds. 25% he signs in a few weeks. X% he comes back week 10. Y% that he’s traded in a month. 

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43 minutes ago, Judge Smails said:

Keep going with your odds. 25% he signs in a few weeks. X% he comes back week 10. Y% that he’s traded in a month. 

Roughly 0% that he comes back Week 10. Roughly 100% that he comes back Week 9 or earlier. Roughly 0% that he’s traded.

My best estimate is that there’s around a 25% chance he returns in Week 2, around a 10% chance that he returns in Week 3, around a 60% chance that he returns in Week 9, and about a 5% chance that he returns sometime between Week 3 and Week 9.

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7 hours ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

Roughly 0% that he comes back Week 10. Roughly 100% that he comes back Week 9 or earlier. Roughly 0% that he’s traded.

My best estimate is that there’s around a 25% chance he returns in Week 2, around a 10% chance that he returns in Week 3, around a 60% chance that he returns in Week 9, and about a 5% chance that he returns sometime between Week 3 and Week 9.

Curious why you say that. I would put 70% chance he comes back week 10, 25% chance week 3-9 and 5% week 2 or 3.

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1 hour ago, Tool said:

Curious why you say that. I would put 70% chance he comes back week 10, 25% chance week 3-9 and 5% week 2 or 3.

The argument that he needs to report prior to week 9 is explained here. There is also an argument that he needs to report before week 13, explained here. Because it seems to be a gray area, it seems that a smart player (with a smart agent) would take the conservative approach and report no later than prior to week 9. But IMO Gordon and his agent have not shown themselves to be very smart so far, so who knows what he might do.

There is no argument that he needs to return prior to week 10, with 7 games remaining, or after week 10, with 6 games remaining, despite the fact that both of those things have been reported in the media much more often than reporting prior to week 9 or prior to week 13.

The reason he might report sooner than week 9 is obviously money. If he sits out until week 9, he will lose $2.6M, not including preseason fines.

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10 hours ago, Judge Smails said:

That makes zero sense. Don’t want to sign him. Don’t want to trade him. How does that help them again? So what’s their strategy?

On the fantasy front I own zero shares of Chargers and I’m OK with that  

It makes perfect sense. They are a better team with Gordon playing. By not trading him, he will report at some point, likely prior to week 9 as explained above. That will improve their chance of winning this season.

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1 hour ago, Just Win Baby said:

The argument that he needs to report prior to week 9 is explained here. There is also an argument that he needs to report before week 13, explained here. Because it seems to be a gray area, it seems that a smart player (with a smart agent) would take the conservative approach and report no later than prior to week 9. But IMO Gordon and his agent have not shown themselves to be very smart so far, so who knows what he might do.

There is no argument that he needs to return prior to week 10, with 7 games remaining, or after week 10, with 6 games remaining, despite the fact that both of those things have been reported in the media much more often than reporting prior to week 9 or prior to week 13.

The reason he might report sooner than week 9 is obviously money. If he sits out until week 9, he will lose $2.6M, not including preseason fines.

Would they actually enforce the preseason fines? I think that's around $2M. 

That's really the Chargers trump card isn't it? They could just say show up now or we are enforcing the pre season fines. He would report that day I would imagine.

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3 minutes ago, Patrick the Pirate said:

Would they actually enforce the preseason fines? I think that's around $2M. 

That's really the Chargers trump card isn't it? They could just say show up now or we are enforcing the pre season fines. He would report that day I would imagine.

I expect they would waive the fines for two reasons. First, they want him to play and play well once he reports. If they fine him $2M, he is more likely to be disgruntled and less likely to play hard and up to his capability. Second, their other players are observing how they handle the Gordon situation, and they want to minimize any bad impression that could affect future negotiations with other players.

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9 minutes ago, Just Win Baby said:

I expect they would waive the fines for two reasons. First, they want him to play and play well once he reports. If they fine him $2M, he is more likely to be disgruntled and less likely to play hard and up to his capability. Second, their other players are observing how they handle the Gordon situation, and they want to minimize any bad impression that could affect future negotiations with other players.

He would have to play well regardless once he reports because he is playing for next years contract.

Wouldn't it help the Chargers in future potential holdouts? These guys will know that if they plan to hold out, they are going to eat big fines.

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1 hour ago, Patrick the Pirate said:

He would have to play well regardless once he reports because he is playing for next years contract.

Wouldn't it help the Chargers in future potential holdouts? These guys will know that if they plan to hold out, they are going to eat big fines.

How much of a deterrent can fines be when guys like Bell are willing to sit out an entire season and forego $14.5M to reach UFA and guys like Elliott are willing to sit out with 2 years remaining on their rookie contract?

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33 minutes ago, Just Win Baby said:

How much of a deterrent can fines be when guys like Bell are willing to sit out an entire season and forego $14.5M to reach UFA and guys like Elliott are willing to sit out with 2 years remaining on their rookie contract?

Bell was unsigned, that's a completely different scenario.  Zeke and Gordon assumed that they had leverage over their franchise due to win-now attitudes.  Zeke was right.  Gordon ####ed with the wrong team, and his agent should have known this going into it.

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20 hours ago, jm192 said:

Anyone traded for him in dynasty?  Seems like great buy low for the long term, but owners may be holding.

Got Sony Michel for him straight up about two weeks ago

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9 minutes ago, tangfoot said:

Bell was unsigned, that's a completely different scenario.  Zeke and Gordon assumed that they had leverage over their franchise due to win-now attitudes.  Zeke was right.  Gordon ####ed with the wrong team, and his agent should have known this going into it.

I know it is different. He could sit out the whole year, the others cannot, and he willingly gave up $14.5M to do it. Elliott and Gordon accepted the risk of heavy fines and missed game checks that add up to significant lost money. It paid off for Elliott. Doesn't look like it will pay off for Gordon, yet he is doing it. So it seems obvious that fines are not a deterrent, which was the point of my post that you responded to here.

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2 hours ago, iamkoza said:

no reporting on this situation the last couple days.... :tumbleweed: 

There won't be anything new to report until early next week. At that point, either Gordon will return or he won't, either one of which would be news.

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On 9/6/2019 at 9:00 AM, Just Win Baby said:
On 9/6/2019 at 7:37 AM, Tool said:

Curious why you say that. I would put 70% chance he comes back week 10, 25% chance week 3-9 and 5% week 2 or 3.

The argument that he needs to report prior to week 9 is explained here. There is also an argument that he needs to report before week 13, explained here. Because it seems to be a gray area, it seems that a smart player (with a smart agent) would take the conservative approach and report no later than prior to week 9. But IMO Gordon and his agent have not shown themselves to be very smart so far, so who knows what he might do.

There is no argument that he needs to return prior to week 10, with 7 games remaining, or after week 10, with 6 games remaining, despite the fact that both of those things have been reported in the media much more often than reporting prior to week 9 or prior to week 13.

The reason he might report sooner than week 9 is obviously money. If he sits out until week 9, he will lose $2.6M, not including preseason fines.

Daniel Popper, the Athletic's Chargers reporter, recently said in an article there that Gordon has to report in time to be eligible to play 6 games. I posted some of this stuff in response, and he responded with this:

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Joey Galloway returned for the final eight weeks in 2000 because he was worried the Seahawks would apply to the commissioner for a two-week roster exemption. If the Seahawks did that, returning with eight weeks remaining would guarantee Galloway would be on full pay status for six games, which logic suggests would be the definition of "completing performance" of a contract. Nowhere in the CBA does it explicitly define what "completing performance" is. But people around the league assume that accruing a season is the equivalent of "completing performance." As you suggested, Gordon does not need to accrue another season to become a free agent, but he does need to complete performance of his contract, or else the contract will toll to 2020. Six games is what he needs to do that, according to precedent. The decision would still be in the hands of an arbitrator, though.

The Chargers bye week this year is in week 12. He says here that Galloway felt compelled to report with 8 games remaining since the team could apply for a two-week roster exemption. Well, the Chargers could also do that, so the same rationale applies to Gordon needing to report with 8 games remaining, i.e., prior to week 9.

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On 9/6/2019 at 9:45 AM, Just Win Baby said:

First, they want him to play

Do they want him to play?  He has no choice but to report for half a season.  He will play hard because he will be playing for his next contract.  The Chargers have good replacements who they can audition for next year's potential starting role.  Melvin hasn't usually lasted an entire season so playing half a season is maybe the perfect amount of season for him.  And hopefully he'll be somewhat fresh for the playoffs.  And they will save half of $5.6 million (maybe they will save more including fines?)

 

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5 hours ago, Just Win Baby said:

Daniel Popper, the Athletic's Chargers reporter, recently said in an article there that Gordon has to report in time to be eligible to play 6 games. I posted some of this stuff in response, and he responded with this:

The Chargers bye week this year is in week 12. He says here that Galloway felt compelled to report with 8 games remaining since the team could apply for a two-week roster exemption. Well, the Chargers could also do that, so the same rationale applies to Gordon needing to report with 8 games remaining, i.e., prior to week 9.

I don't think "full pay status" matters in this regard. That's for accruing an accrued season. It's not for tolling. I disagree with that guy's analysis. He's right that the CBA doesn't address the issue, but the CBA is the wrong place to look. The standard player contract is where tolling is addressed. It talks about tolling based on rounding to the nearest whole season. That's 8 games -- whether or not on full-pay status.

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we now know he shouldn't have held out, he should have just showed up to camp and threatened to kill someone and he could just be cut and free to sign anywhere

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Looks like he may report by week 6-8 according to NFL.com

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001051750/article/chargers-melvin-gordon-plans-to-report-in-6-to-8-weeks

 

As Gordon owner in 2 leagues I'll actually take that instead of a Bell fiasco last year.

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16 minutes ago, Devil_Dog said:

Looks like he may report by week 6-8 according to NFL.com

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001051750/article/chargers-melvin-gordon-plans-to-report-in-6-to-8-weeks

 

As Gordon owner in 2 leagues I'll actually take that instead of a Bell fiasco last year.

This is the most likely outcome, but remember that during the Bell fiasco, there were countless reports similar to this: Bell will report by week 1, week 2, during their bye, by the trade deadline, by week 10, etc.  These reports are, IMO, more about getting clicks than actually reporting solid facts.

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42 minutes ago, Bayhawks said:

This is the most likely outcome, but remember that during the Bell fiasco, there were countless reports similar to this: Bell will report by week 1, week 2, during their bye, by the trade deadline, by week 10, etc.  These reports are, IMO, more about getting clicks than actually reporting solid facts.

Yep totally get it...but I've already conceded that I won't have Gordon for the bulk of the season so if wk 6-8 happens I'll be happy.

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I’m betting it’s week 10.

they have a late BYE, and one of two scenarios will happen in the meanwhile:

1. The Chargers are winning without Gordon, the backups performing ably as replacements, they decide to bench him until after the BYE because “F that dude”. Why welcome a guy back with open arms who pulled a stunt like that? 

2. The chargers are losing without him & at 2-4, or 2-6 why bother paying him? 

Either way I’m thinking he may not be relevant until after their BYE. 

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32 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I’m betting it’s week 10.

People everywhere, including the media, keep mentioning Week 10. That's for players who are unsigned (e.g., rookies, players who are franchise-tagged) who need an Accrued Season. That's not Melvin Gordon's situation. He's under contract and he needs to avoid having it tolled. Week 10 has nothing to do with that.

He very likely needs to report by Week 9 so that he's holding out for no more than half a season. He needs to hold out for zero seasons rather than one season, as rounded to the nearest whole season. Otherwise, he's still under contract with the Chargers the following year.

And yes, they will happily welcome him back with open arms whether they are 2-6 or 6-2 or anything else.

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