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4 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

I would pay CEH for Barkley. 

This is an awesome topic.  

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1 hour ago, hispeedthinmint said:

Again, thinking of punting this season. I tried to move CMC pre-injury & got no legit offers. Still getting CEH offers, but nothing but bench junk like Breida, Ebron & 1st for CMC or CEH lol wtf?!

What I am saying is, if you trade ceh for Barkley, next year you still have RB depth issues cause you're trading 1 for 1.

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7 minutes ago, Mark Football said:

What I am saying is, if you trade ceh for Barkley, next year you still have RB depth issues cause you're trading 1 for 1.

I got that part. :) But maybe then I move Barkley for a haul or then I trade a WR for a RB to add depth

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Barkley won’t be worth more next year at this time. CEH will. 
Will their trajectories cross?  Tough call, but it’s likely you could make the same trade next summer if you want Barkley. 

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What is Sutton's value now?  I am in a complete orphan rebuild and my only established asset is Ridley.  Is Sutton and a 2021 1st worth Ridley?  No one is trading a young RB and since I have no RB's to send back even injury doesn't really make that an option.  This would be my 3rd 1st rd pick in 2021.  

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1 hour ago, frae said:

What is Sutton's value now?  I am in a complete orphan rebuild and my only established asset is Ridley.  Is Sutton and a 2021 1st worth Ridley?  No one is trading a young RB and since I have no RB's to send back even injury doesn't really make that an option.  This would be my 3rd 1st rd pick in 2021.  

Is it a middle or better 1st?  If so, then I'd take that deal.

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1 hour ago, frae said:

What is Sutton's value now?  I am in a complete orphan rebuild and my only established asset is Ridley.  Is Sutton and a 2021 1st worth Ridley?  No one is trading a young RB and since I have no RB's to send back even injury doesn't really make that an option.  This would be my 3rd 1st rd pick in 2021.  

While that is a fair offer, I am a Ridley believer and it would take a little more for me to let go of him - the 1st would have to be Top 3 for me to consider it or include something else of value along side. 

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2 hours ago, Birdie048 said:

While that is a fair offer, I am a Ridley believer and it would take a little more for me to let go of him - the 1st would have to be Top 3 for me to consider it or include something else of value along side. 

So you're saying he should hold on to Ridley because he can net more than Sutton/future 1st at a later date? 

I like the idea of accumulating picks now rather than waiting for a better deal later.

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12 hours ago, frae said:

What is Sutton's value now?  I am in a complete orphan rebuild and my only established asset is Ridley.  Is Sutton and a 2021 1st worth Ridley?  No one is trading a young RB and since I have no RB's to send back even injury doesn't really make that an option.  This would be my 3rd 1st rd pick in 2021.  

It's not a bad return as you are rebuilding. I dont know if you could get much more than that for him? In your situation I think 3rd round picks could be useful. Ask him to throw that or something else minor to the deal?

I think Ridley is a great player you could build around. Dont sell him short.

At the same time to get better you have to try for these two for one type deals to improve the overall value of your roster.

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22 hours ago, frae said:

What is Sutton's value now?  I am in a complete orphan rebuild and my only established asset is Ridley.  Is Sutton and a 2021 1st worth Ridley?  No one is trading a young RB and since I have no RB's to send back even injury doesn't really make that an option.  This would be my 3rd 1st rd pick in 2021.  

If you truly are an orphan rebuild, you should definitely not trade your 1st.  Sutton's value will now be suppressed because of the injury, and Ridley is overvalued. I'd actually be looking to buy him in my rebuild spaces.  Purely from a talent/situation standpoint, I barely have Ridley ahead of Sutton.  Add in the injury and a worse situation and in a rebuild, there's no chance I'd trade Sutton for Ridley. 

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21 hours ago, tangfoot said:

So you're saying he should hold on to Ridley because he can net more than Sutton/future 1st at a later date? 

I like the idea of accumulating picks now rather than waiting for a better deal later.

Yes, I believe Ridley's value will continue to rise.  And Sutton is a long term "acquire" I don't think I would pay that price. 

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Whelp, I just purchased Chris Carson for Boyd/Singletary, so either I was drunk when I made the offer or that’s Carson’s value. 
 

(insert “why not both?” Asian child meme here) 

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9 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Whelp, I just purchased Chris Carson for Boyd/Singletary, so either I was drunk when I made the offer or that’s Carson’s value. 
 

(insert “why not both?” Asian child meme here) 

Personally I like Singletary better long term.

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1 minute ago, JohnnyU said:

Personally I like Singletary better long term.

I kinda do too. But I’m in win-now mode - have a great shot this season & then likely headed for a rebuild. 

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40 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

I kinda do too. But I’m in win-now mode - have a great shot this season & then likely headed for a rebuild. 

I don't know if I would have done that deal, but I know how hard it is to deal Boyd for value. I hate to do it because it's you that acquired him, but I cringe every time Carson takes a hard hit. Which he does often. If you have deep rosters and Hyde is available, might want to preemptively add him just in case.

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1 minute ago, rockaction said:

I don't know if I would have done that deal, but I know how hard it is to deal Boyd for value. I hate to do it because it's you that acquired him, but I cringe every time Carson takes a hard hit. Which he does often. If you have deep rosters and Hyde is available, might want to preemptively add him just in case.

Deep rosters, so Hyde is not available. I may be able to acquire him affordably though, which is my next step. 

I actually like Boyd more than most. I feel like I got fair value on this deal. Starting RBs are very difficult to pry away from most of these owners.

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1 hour ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Deep rosters, so Hyde is not available. I may be able to acquire him affordably though, which is my next step. 

I actually like Boyd more than most. I feel like I got fair value on this deal. Starting RBs are very difficult to pry away from most of these owners.

I like Boyd more than most as well but I still like this trade fine for you, mainly because I like Carson more than most as well.  I think Seattle is going to be a top offense all year and I am definitely interested in having the top back on that offense.  And he kind of reminds me of one of those guys where the market just assumes he's a short term stop-gap and then all of the sudden he's 29 and he's been a reliable starter on your fantasy team for the last 3 years.

I think it's a fair deal both ways.

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Any feedback regarding Goedert's value in a 14 team ppr dynasty where we start 1 TE? 

TE has been a weak point on my roster for a while. I currently roster Logan Thomas and Herndon. Other owner is in rebuild and has Jonnu, Alie-Cox, Howard and Goedert. All he has indicated he wants in return is picks and/or young players. So, because he owns Zach Moss, I was going to offer Singletary +?

Thoughts?

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2 minutes ago, northern exposure said:

Any feedback regarding Goedert's value in a 14 team ppr dynasty where we start 1 TE? 

TE has been a weak point on my roster for a while. I currently roster Logan Thomas and Herndon. Other owner is in rebuild and has Jonnu, Alie-Cox, Howard and Goedert. All he has indicated he wants in return is picks and/or young players. So, because he owns Zach Moss, I was going to offer Singletary +?

Thoughts?

14 team non ppr ... I got him for a 2nd Round Rookie Pick in 2021 .. other team has Hockenson and Engram. I think I got a steal for Goedart

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On 9/23/2020 at 11:49 AM, rockaction said:

If you have deep rosters and Hyde is available, might want to preemptively add him just in case.

I was able to get Hyde for a 2022 3rd. 
:pickle: 

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23 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said:

I like Boyd more than most as well but I still like this trade fine for you, mainly because I like Carson more than most as well.  I think Seattle is going to be a top offense all year and I am definitely interested in having the top back on that offense.  And he kind of reminds me of one of those guys where the market just assumes he's a short term stop-gap and then all of the sudden he's 29 and he's been a reliable starter on your fantasy team for the last 3 years.

I think it's a fair deal both ways.

Carson is a very underrated, legitimate RB1. He’s more active in the receiving game which is only a boon to his PPR value.

Singletary is a “between the 20s“ guy, who might get you a couple of catches a game but his ceiling is capped by a vulture quarterback who might even out-rush him on a weekly basis.

i’m happy with the deal. I got Singleterry pretty cheap in trade last off-season.

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3 minutes ago, BearsFan4Life said:

14 team non ppr ... I got him for a 2nd Round Rookie Pick in 2021 .. other team has Hockenson and Engram. I think I got a steal for Goedart


Gogurt owner in my dynasty league just put him on the block asking for a 2021 first round pick.

So yeah - you got a solid deal there. 

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55 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

 

I was able to get Hyde for a 2022 3rd. 
:pickle: 

Of course you were.  We’re talking about Carlos Hyde.  :lmao:

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3 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

Of course you were.  We’re talking about Carlos Hyde.  :lmao:

Some owners get greedy with other team’s handcuffs. 

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5 minutes ago, hispeedthinmint said:

Does Gaskin have any real dynasty PPR value yet? Edmonds owner seems to be trying to give me Edmonds for him straight up.


 Bryan? Or Chase?

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3 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said:


 Bryan? Or Chase?

Isn't it Bryan Edwards and Chase Edmonds?  

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1 minute ago, JohnnyU said:

Isn't it Bryan Edwards and Chase Edmonds?  Is there a Bryan Edmonds?

Ha! Brain fart on my part, I was excited for him

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The whole package trade I had going for Sutton + and me sending Ridley away in my rebuild fell apart.  I have a second offer now, I finally got a response from the Swift owner.  He wants a little sweetener added on to Ridley and asked for Ridley and Van Jefferson for Swift.  I can't get any of the other rookie big 5 for Ridley and I can't get Jacobs or Sanders.  I have zero RB's of any value (this was an orphan) so while I will pick 1st or 2nd next year I think getting Swift now is a good start.  I already have Ruggs, Jeudy and Higgins.  So is Swift worth the price here?

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3 hours ago, BearsFan4Life said:

14 team non ppr ... I got him for a 2nd Round Rookie Pick in 2021 .. other team has Hockenson and Engram. I think I got a steal for Goedart

Yeah, that's a steal. I'm looking for a more realistic price I will have to pay.

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46 minutes ago, frae said:

The whole package trade I had going for Sutton + and me sending Ridley away in my rebuild fell apart.  I have a second offer now, I finally got a response from the Swift owner.  He wants a little sweetener added on to Ridley and asked for Ridley and Van Jefferson for Swift.  I can't get any of the other rookie big 5 for Ridley and I can't get Jacobs or Sanders.  I have zero RB's of any value (this was an orphan) so while I will pick 1st or 2nd next year I think getting Swift now is a good start.  I already have Ruggs, Jeudy and Higgins.  So is Swift worth the price here?

Ridley is worth more than Swift and he is also young.  He should be giving you boot.

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1 hour ago, frae said:

The whole package trade I had going for Sutton + and me sending Ridley away in my rebuild fell apart.  I have a second offer now, I finally got a response from the Swift owner.  He wants a little sweetener added on to Ridley and asked for Ridley and Van Jefferson for Swift.  I can't get any of the other rookie big 5 for Ridley and I can't get Jacobs or Sanders.  I have zero RB's of any value (this was an orphan) so while I will pick 1st or 2nd next year I think getting Swift now is a good start.  I already have Ruggs, Jeudy and Higgins.  So is Swift worth the price here?

I agree with @JohnnyU Ridley should be worth at least as much as Swift right now, if not more.  And I am a Swift fan.

I understand that you need RBs but if you're not playing for this year anyway that's not something you need to rush into right now.

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45 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

I agree with @JohnnyU Ridley should be worth at least as much as Swift right now, if not more.  And I am a Swift fan.

I understand that you need RBs but if you're not playing for this year anyway that's not something you need to rush into right now.

Thanks guys I guess I will hold for another week at least and see if anyone changes their mind.  If not having Ridley is not a problem he is great, just wish I had at least 1 RB I could see a future with.

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15 minutes ago, frae said:

Thanks guys I guess I will hold for another week at least and see if anyone changes their mind.  If not having Ridley is not a problem he is great, just wish I had at least 1 RB I could see a future with.


When I’m rebuilding I don’t like to plug in RBs until I’m ready to enter a win now window. Obviously you have to draft BPA but I rarely use draft picks to be honest, I trade my way through retools and rebuilds and try to do it quickly. And plugging in the RBs is usually the final piece (possibly the most major) to the puzzle. It’s usually an instant impact position and I don’t want to risk injury at a low shelf life position while I try to get all my other ducks in a row. 
 

There are many ways to skin this particular cat though.

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19 minutes ago, frae said:

Thanks guys I guess I will hold for another week at least and see if anyone changes their mind.  If not having Ridley is not a problem he is great, just wish I had at least 1 RB I could see a future with.

I would keep Ridley unless you can get a RB that you're happy with as "comparable" value.

WRs have a long shelf life.  RBs can be more fickle.   There are values to be had; and the scenery changes fast, especially in PPR leagues.

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What WR (general WR range with specific players), in addition to a QB like D. Lock, would you give for a QB upgrade in a 1 QB, PPR dynasty league?  I doubt Lamar or Mahomes will be available so I'm thinking about QBs like Wilson, Murray, Watson or Prescott.  Not sure about Allen still.  That said, I'm also curious what WR you would give to get Lamar or Mahomes.

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1 hour ago, RC94 said:

What WR (general WR range with specific players), in addition to a QB like D. Lock, would you give for a QB upgrade in a 1 QB, PPR dynasty league?  I doubt Lamar or Mahomes will be available so I'm thinking about QBs like Wilson, Murray, Watson or Prescott.  Not sure about Allen still.  That said, I'm also curious what WR you would give to get Lamar or Mahomes.

Lock is about worthless in a start 1 QB league, so throwing him in won’t move the needle at all - in fact, it may hurt.

Those QB’s are pretty valuable assets so it will take a big name WR to pry them away. I’d guess the right name in the top 10 of WRs is what you’d need. 

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18 minutes ago, RC94 said:

What WR (general WR range with specific players), in addition to a QB like D. Lock, would you give for a QB upgrade in a 1 QB, PPR dynasty league?  I doubt Lamar or Mahomes will be available so I'm thinking about QBs like Wilson, Murray, Watson or Prescott.  Not sure about Allen still.  That said, I'm also curious what WR you would give to get Lamar or Mahomes.

I own Lamar & you are not even in the ballpark

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On 9/22/2020 at 10:10 AM, frae said:

What is Sutton's value now?  I am in a complete orphan rebuild and my only established asset is Ridley.  Is Sutton and a 2021 1st worth Ridley?  No one is trading a young RB and since I have no RB's to send back even injury doesn't really make that an option.  This would be my 3rd 1st rd pick in 2021.  

I have Julio, AJ Brown, J Jefferson, B Edwards, Jeffery, Hardman and Humphries at WR in a 16 tm ppr dynasty. Luckily my RBs, QBs and TEs are keeping me afloat.

But, this can't last. So, I know I need to acquire a WR1. Is Ridley worthy of consideration (and a 2021 1st plus Sutton or equivalent WR?) or are his numbers just inflated with a dinged up Julio limping around out there?

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Evan Engram? 
 

2022 1st and Pittman for Engram? 
 

not sure what I think about this in a non TE premium league. Hard to let go of him when there’s a big opportunity with Barkley gone

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17 minutes ago, I-ROK said:

Evan Engram? 
 

2022 1st and Pittman for Engram? 
 

not sure what I think about this in a non TE premium league. Hard to let go of him when there’s a big opportunity with Barkley gone

I think you'll be very happy in 2022 that you got rid of Engram. 

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9 minutes ago, BearsFan4Life said:

14 Team NO PPR

Cam, Andrews

for

Stafford, ARobinson, DParker

I’d probably take the Cam side here... 

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58 minutes ago, I-ROK said:

Evan Engram? 
 

2022 1st and Pittman for Engram? 
 

not sure what I think about this in a non TE premium league. Hard to let go of him when there’s a big opportunity with Barkley gone

Engram isn't worth anything anymore now that more TE's have broken out.  I'm not the biggest fan of Pittman but he's looked solid so far and better than I thought he would be.  I'd easily go 1st and Pittman here.  Especially in non-TE premium

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23 minutes ago, Zyphros said:

Engram isn't worth anything anymore now that more TE's have broken out.  I'm not the biggest fan of Pittman but he's looked solid so far and better than I thought he would be.  I'd easily go 1st and Pittman here.  Especially in non-TE premium

I don't agree with that at all.  Engram was never valuable because of scarcity, he was valuable because he had reset the market type upside.  He still does.  Very few TE are capable of being regulars in the 20 point club, and with Barkley out Engram's got an even better chance.  I've turned the corner on my Engram addiction but I'd still be acquiring him if people are offering him at isn't-worth-anything level pricing.

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6 minutes ago, Hankmoody said:

I don't agree with that at all.  Engram was never valuable because of scarcity, he was valuable because he had reset the market type upside.  He still does.  Very few TE are capable of being regulars in the 20 point club, and with Barkley out Engram's got an even better chance.  I've turned the corner on my Engram addiction but I'd still be acquiring him if people are offering him at isn't-worth-anything level pricing.

Would you trade Geiseki for Engram right now?

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Just now, northern exposure said:

I can't speak for Hank. But I would jump to accept that deal. 

You just did!  Snap accept.

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