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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (11 Viewers)
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SaintsInDome2006
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mr roboto
Footballguy
Yes. Michael Flynn was railroaded and tricked into refusing counsel by an FBI agent. Seems highly plausible.
apalmer
Footballguy
If his rights were violated, he doesn't need a pardon. That's the way our liberal justice system works. As for "machinations of the prosecution" intimidating him into a plea, are you serious? You mean like the thousands of criminals in the country who are intimidated by the machinations of the prosecutions every week? Is the President going to pardon them, too?
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Gr00vus
Footballguy
jonessed
Footballguy
If he suddenly has the inclination to chase leakers he wouldn’t have to look much further than his own team’s disclosure of grand jury material.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
His wife ran for state Senate in Virginia and took money from a Terry McAullife run PAC and from the state Democratic party.
jonessed
Footballguy
The Strzok text messages
“I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office - that there’s no way he gets elected - but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk... It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40.”
I believe Congress wants to know what the “insurance policy” he discussed with Strzok was referring to.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
He wasn't claiming they had an insurance policy. He was saying that they couldn't just assume that Trump would lose and do nothing for the same reason that 40 year olds shouldn't forgo insurance because it's unlikely they'll drop dead. That text was apparently written in mid-October 2016.jonessed said:
What was going on then?
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I see.jonessed said:
Just so I've got this straight... Republicans want one of the FBI's former investigators to come in and explain exactly what the FBI had on Trump a year ago? They want that?
Sounds good to me. How do we make this happen?
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
So, again let's look at how this nefarious plot played out.
In the last month of the general election, The FBI received new evidence and had to reopen the Clinton investigation. Comey released that information. Possibly because he knew the NY field office was leaking it to Rudy anyway.
At the same time, we had an active investigation into the Trump campaign and Russia. At this point the Steele dossier had been passed around the Hill and people knew the FBI had that, at least. Comey wouldn't confirm an investigation of Trump. He argued against confirming Russia. I understand why Comey made the choices he did. It sucks for Hillary, but he was in a tough spot having testified to Congress. But the FBI didn't do anything to hurt Trump's chances in the election. They did precisely the opposite! How can anyone with two brain cells to rub together believe this bull####?
In the last month of the general election, The FBI received new evidence and had to reopen the Clinton investigation. Comey released that information. Possibly because he knew the NY field office was leaking it to Rudy anyway.
At the same time, we had an active investigation into the Trump campaign and Russia. At this point the Steele dossier had been passed around the Hill and people knew the FBI had that, at least. Comey wouldn't confirm an investigation of Trump. He argued against confirming Russia. I understand why Comey made the choices he did. It sucks for Hillary, but he was in a tough spot having testified to Congress. But the FBI didn't do anything to hurt Trump's chances in the election. They did precisely the opposite! How can anyone with two brain cells to rub together believe this bull####?
The Indestructible
Footballguy
The Indestructible
Footballguy
jonessed
Footballguy
Koya
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Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Just let this take its course. If Trump is guilty it will come out eventually. So far, they got nothing, and Mueller's credit has severely taken a hit with these nimwits he had on his team.Mr. Ham said:
Hilts
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Yeah...Mueller’s credit has taken no real hit and those in his team are highly qualified and hardly nitwits.
They git nothing? Are you aware of some information that everyone else is not?
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Don't Noonan
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Hilts
Footballguy
No he has not. Do you believe anything short of Trump pleading guilty is nothing?
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
No, but nothing even close to collusion has shown up yet. Well, perhaps the compromised Mueller team but that is another story.
Hilts
Footballguy
How long do you believe the investigation should be allowed to go on?
Do you believe the two guilty pleas hold any relevance to the investigation?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Koya
Footballguy
Says it all that someone would not only focus on this, but have the audacity to say compromised when the person in question was dismissed.
A pathetic joke.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
No worries about those in his own admin that have been compromised (or Trump himself). Mean texts are worse than lies to federal agents and what all the contacts really were.
Koya
Footballguy
Would have to be one or more of:
1. Not intelligent enough to understand and make objective deductions
2. Inability to grasp concepts such as nuance and context
3. Wilful ignorance that results in one of the above
4. A wilful desire to use lies, obfuscation and distraction to push a preconceived agenda, and in doing so at best putting Party/ideology above country while enabling internal and external enemies of Democracy and what America stands for, more likely being an active participant and complicit collaborator unless the answer is #1 or #2, just being outright anti-patriotic, anti-American and worse case, possibly flat out treasonous at heart.
What other reasons to spread known lies, purposely mislead/misdirect, leave out key facts while ignoring all context?
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Koya
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BTW, if there is ANY shady behavior or political leanings from an investigator that exerts influence within such an important investigation they need to be removed. That appears to be what happened.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Railroaded? Buddy, he's not a homeless guy caught with an ounce of crack at the bus station. He is a 3-Star General who has the President of the United States with a pardon in hand and a national and GOP based defense fund at his disposal..Rove! said:
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sho nuff
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SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Dedfin
Footballguy
He liked one of mine once. I was proud when I saw it.
The Future Champs
Footballguy
Oh BS. We’ve got a Trump campaign eagerly reaching out to the Russians for stolen emails, we’ve got Russians that want sanctions dropped, and we’ve got a Trump administration that attempted to drop sanctions on day 1 in office. We’re just looking for the smoking gun at this point.
Norman Paperman
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Rove!
Footballguy
Rove!
Footballguy
mr roboto
Footballguy
Koya
Footballguy
What kind of response is this?
It's literally the most widely accepted understanding of events within the full context of what's going on.
FYI, this is a rhetorical question more directed at others maybe (somehow) on the fence on some of these issues.
To try to outright dismiss one of if not the leading theory as to what drove Flynn to flip demonstrates a clear attempt to undermine the value of legitimate information, backed up by the facts of the case in examination of all related facts therein.
Sad state of affairs we find ourselves in (unless some of these comments are actually made by Russian or other anti-American interests in which I suppose a tip of the cap is due, along with the sadness that so many here are at best clueless participants but more like active enablers)
sho nuff
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