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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (4 Viewers)
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Koya
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Some investigations take years.
Why wold you, or anyone, recommend placing an arbitrary and artificial deadline on a process that SHOULD move forward according to its findings? Especially when said investigation is being led by arguably the most decorated and respected lawman in our entire nation... one who even a few months ago was WIDELY praised by Republicans up to and including Gingrich as a man of impeccable credentials?
Koya
Footballguy
And anyone who helps this anti-american, anti-patriotic and anti-democratic agenda are all three of those things by nature of their complicity.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
bud29
Footballguy
The list of possible obstruction attempts grows longer by the day: https://thinkprogress.org/trumps-tell-michael-flynn-pardon-690325728483/
jonessed
Footballguy
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Not a real Congressman. That's Josh Molina's character from the West Wing.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Well, we know what fictional characters think is going to happen. That's good.
The Indestructible
Footballguy
Koya
Footballguy
It means if you've already spilled all the beans (which he likely has) screw you. Loyalty is important (as long as it's not to Country nor decency?
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Norman Paperman
Footballguy
Bucky-bot? 
Patience. Whatever flows from the investigation will happen in its own time.
Patience. Whatever flows from the investigation will happen in its own time.
I just don't think we need it hanging over the country for years (and dividing the country).
Why would anyone put a deadline on a complex investigation.
From my perspective, Mueller is the best judge on when to wrap up the investigation. I have no idea what is going on with the investigation - which tells me that Mueller is doing his job fairly and impartially. Otherwise, we would get daily progress reports...
Norman Paperman
Footballguy
I think we are past that point...Flynn pleaded "guilty", thus acknowledging he did something wrong.
Not sure I get the hubbub though - why wouldn't Trump pardon Flynn?
Gr00vus
Footballguy
The country needs the truth, whatever it is, however long it takes to get there. If you end this prematurely, it will hang over the country indefinitely, many of us wondering if the guy occupying the white house got there illegitimately and/or participated in illegal actions to get there.
Henry Ford
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Hilts
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urbanhack
Fight The Power!
And nobody even asked him about the pardon this morning, he just voluntarily said it, correct?
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Lol. Nevermind. I thought it was an actual person.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
never watched west wing
Sabertooth
Footballguy
To think, we've got at least 3 more years of this. Even if the Russia thing blows over, it's going to be like this his entire time in office.
Banger
Footballguy
also, Mueller can charge him for a number of things in state court which are outside of Trump's pardon powers...
Koya
Footballguy
I never watched West Wing either, but come on folks, I love y'all but if we chastise folks on the other side for not thinking things through...
Once you say it was some "Representative" didn't that raise a flag as to who the hell congressman would put those words out on twitter?
Jus saying. And it's not as if I've not been duped myself at times, but this was pretty clearly not a sitting representative
Norman Paperman
Footballguy
Yeah, not so much.
I don't know what, if any, state charges Flynn might be facing. But, Mueller can't charge him with those.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
If the Zervos case gets pass motion to dismiss stage and/or if the Dems take over the House and can go after his conflicts of interest, Trump will be longing for the good old days when Mueller's investigation was his greatest concern.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Big If. The guy has been bulletproof so far. No reason to think that doesn't continue. We've had steam coming out of our ears for a year now, and there he sits.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Another big if, but I agree.
That's why there is always so much urgency with everything. They are in full on smash and grab mode because they know the clock is ticking. Everything must be hurried, health care, tax bill....it's always rush rush rush, because the clock can strike midnight at any point.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
If he has a heart attack and dies, that would be huge too. But I'm saying I don't really sense anything changing until at least 2018, perhaps 2022.
Koya
Footballguy
Mueller can't... but theres enough to suggest such a handoff is already all but set up and guaranteed, including certain non-boilerplate language in Flynn's plea agreement regarding state and local authorities. I'll let the legal beagles explain if you want more detail on that.
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
That's not what's dividing our country. The difference in intellectualism is what's dividing our country.
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Koya
Footballguy
There are plenty who are smart enough to know exactly what they are doing... from The administration's inner circle to Paul Ryan and Congress down to your parrotting, party before country, complicit facebook and internet posters, enablers and trolls.
Some play dumb (because their weak attempts to deflect or obfuscate or just denigrate the conversation), but sadly, they are worse than dumb.... some of the red meat base is too unaware of the underlying realities. The rest are perfectly comfortable literally tearing at the flesh of our democracy and national security to forward their party, person and ideology.
Jackstraw
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cosjobs
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Justice Dept: Release of FBI agents’ texts was not authorized http://hill.cm/gaD1Az2
Wow!! The Justice Department claims they did not authorize the release of the FBI agents 10,000 text messages Yet @FoxNews had a private viewing of these messages the night before the Rosenstein hearing Now @GoP is using it as a means to try and fire Mueller #Corrupt####Show
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Justice Dept: Release of FBI agents’ texts was not authorized http://hill.cm/gaD1Az2
Wow!! The Justice Department claims they did not authorize the release of the FBI agents 10,000 text messages Yet @FoxNews had a private viewing of these messages the night before the Rosenstein hearing Now @GoP is using it as a means to try and fire Mueller #Corrupt####Show
Banger
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so was this the deep state at work or is the deep state only against Trump? I'm confused...
also, who released the messages? I think we need another independent council to investigate!!
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Ignoramus
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JFC
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Rove!
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We don’t really know, at this point, if Flynn Was somewhat railroaded by an agent with an agenda or if he was into more serious stuff wrt Turkey and Gulen and already got a good deal....why talk about that without knowing the full scope of the facts...
Banger
Footballguy
how could he be railroaded into pleading guilty? there is zero evidence that anything improper was done in the investigation
Banger
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cosjobs
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Deutsche Bank has been asked by Mueller’s investigators to hand over information about transactions that could be linked to Michael Flynn or entities connected to him, people familiar with the matter tell WSJ.
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Deutsche Bank has been asked by Mueller’s investigators to hand over information about transactions that could be linked to Michael Flynn or entities connected to him, people familiar with the matter tell WSJ.
Rove!
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We know he was interviewed without a lawyer, without notice by an agent hell bent to get something on him...we don’t know if his rights ere violated in any way....we don’t know if the machinations of the prosecutiion intimidated him into a plea....
my point is is we don’t know the entire circumstances YET, so why make any indication if a pardon is appropriate or not YET
Rove!
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Banger
Footballguy
he could've asked for a lawyer, could have refused to talk instead he chose to lie to a federal agent...he was national security advisor...I think he knows his rights. The only reason this is even being discussed is because the Right attempting to undermine the investigation even though there is ZERO evidence of anything improper.
The Indestructible
Footballguy
I for one am impressed with the right's newfound concern for an individual's right to counsel.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Good points here. What if he was treated like pretty much every other suspect is treated by people investigating and prosecuting criminal activity? I mean, can you even imagine? He’s a rich white guy, for chrissakes!
Koya
Footballguy
I'm less impressed by their continued disregard for all thing contextual, nuanced, things already KNOWN or well, any sense of objective logical deduction and reasoning.
apalmer
Footballguy
Are those the same people who said Trump was a big donor to NAMBLA? Because I heard A LOT of people were saying that.
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Banger
Footballguy
I also think it's funny that Trump is somehow waiting for some evidence of improper handling and then pardon Flynn.....he's just looking for any possible justifiable excuse....what ever happened to the justice department and the courts determining his fate like every other citizen in our country or is Trump now the judge, jury and executioner? The only reason Trump wants to pardon Flynn is that he likely has the goods to take down a number of people in the WH and Trump knows it.
