Some investigations take years.I am not for ending the investigation - but i could support a deadline like the end of March. Or maybe a council at thee end of March to see if it should proceed.
And anyone who helps this anti-american, anti-patriotic and anti-democratic agenda are all three of those things by nature of their complicity.The POTUS is turning Americans against the FBI in an attempt to muddy the waters regarding an agency attempting to hold him accountable to the rule of law.
Our POTUS is subverting rule of law in our country by encouraging distrust and outrage at the FBI, PURELY for personal gain.
This is insane.
Why would you pardon somebody that didn't do anything wrong?:(
Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1 2h2 hours ago
Trump just now wouldn’t rule out a Flynn pardon in the future:
“I don't want to talk about pardons for Michael Flynn yet.”
The list of possible obstruction attempts grows longer by the day: https://thinkprogress.org/trumps-tell-michael-flynn-pardon-690325728483/:(
Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1 2h2 hours ago
Trump just now wouldn’t rule out a Flynn pardon in the future:
“I don't want to talk about pardons for Michael Flynn yet.”
The list of possible obstruction attempts grows longer by the day: https://thinkprogress.org/trumps-tell-michael-flynn-pardon-690325728483/
Not a real Congressman. That's Josh Molina's character from the West Wing.
That’s not obstruction. You guys are going insane in here.
The word “yet” is particularly notable. By suggesting that he may eventually consider a pardon, Trump could be interpreted as indicating to Flynn that whether or not he gets one depends on the extent to which he protects Trump and his family.
The significance of the word was noted by Norm Eisen, former chief ethics counsel for Barack Obama, who pointed out that the president wielding his power to pardon to “dodge liability” is obstruction of justice.
It means if you've already spilled all the beans (which he likely has) screw you. Loyalty is important (as long as it's not to Country nor decency?
I just don't think we need it hanging over the country for years (and dividing the country).
Why would anyone put a deadline on a complex investigation.
From my perspective, Mueller is the best judge on when to wrap up the investigation. I have no idea what is going on with the investigation - which tells me that Mueller is doing his job fairly and impartially. Otherwise, we would get daily progress reports...
I think we are past that point...Flynn pleaded "guilty", thus acknowledging he did something wrong.Why would you pardon somebody that didn't do anything wrong?
The country needs the truth, whatever it is, however long it takes to get there. If you end this prematurely, it will hang over the country indefinitely, many of us wondering if the guy occupying the white house got there illegitimately and/or participated in illegal actions to get there.I just don't think we need it hanging over the country for years (and dividing the country).
And 30% of the country will reply “Gary Johnson.”It's neatly dividing our country into patriots and Russo-philic traitors who would sell out their country for a buck. A good thing if you ask me.
Years from now it will be asked "which side of this bright line were you on?"
Years from now we won't find anyone who admits ever backing Trump.It's neatly dividing our country into patriots and Russo-philic traitors who would sell out their country for a buck. A good thing if you ask me.
Years from now it will be asked "which side of this bright line were you on?"
And nobody even asked him about the pardon this morning, he just voluntarily said it, correct?I think we are past that point...Flynn pleaded "guilty", thus acknowledging he did something wrong.
Not sure I get the hubbub though - why wouldn't Trump pardon Flynn?
Lol. Nevermind. I thought it was an actual person.
also, Mueller can charge him for a number of things in state court which are outside of Trump's pardon powers...If Trump was going to pardon Flynn why would he do it after mueller has had two weeks to talk to Flynn?
Gotta figure Mueller has what he wants from Flynn by now.
I never watched West Wing either, but come on folks, I love y'all but if we chastise folks on the other side for not thinking things through...Me neither.
Yeah, not so much.also, Mueller can charge him for a number of things in state court which are outside of Trump's pardon powers...
If the Zervos case gets pass motion to dismiss stage and/or if the Dems take over the House and can go after his conflicts of interest, Trump will be longing for the good old days when Mueller's investigation was his greatest concern.To think, we've got at least 3 more years of this. Even if the Russia thing blows over, it's going to be like this his entire time in office.
Big If. The guy has been bulletproof so far. No reason to think that doesn't continue. We've had steam coming out of our ears for a year now, and there he sits.If the Zervos case gets pass motion to dismiss stage and/or if the Dems take over the House and can go after his conflicts of interest, Trump will be longing for the good old days when Mueller's investigation was his greatest concern.
Another big if, but I agree.Well yes, but the entity that is supposed to keep him in line refuses to. If the house/senate gets flipped, it's a whole different ballgame.
If he has a heart attack and dies, that would be huge too. But I'm saying I don't really sense anything changing until at least 2018, perhaps 2022.Of course it's a big if. That's why Tobias and I both said "if."
Mueller can't... but theres enough to suggest such a handoff is already all but set up and guaranteed, including certain non-boilerplate language in Flynn's plea agreement regarding state and local authorities. I'll let the legal beagles explain if you want more detail on that.Yeah, not so much.
I don't know what, if any, state charges Flynn might be facing. But, Mueller can't charge him with those.
That's not what's dividing our country. The difference in intellectualism is what's dividing our country.I just don't think we need it hanging over the country for years (and dividing the country).
There are plenty who are smart enough to know exactly what they are doing... from The administration's inner circle to Paul Ryan and Congress down to your parrotting, party before country, complicit facebook and internet posters, enablers and trolls.That's not what's dividing our country. The difference in intellectualism is what's dividing our country.
No doubt. Get everything you can before the copts show up.Another big if, but I agree.
That's why there is always so much urgency with everything. They are in full on smash and grab mode because they know the clock is ticking. Everything must be hurried, health care, tax bill....it's always rush rush rush, because the clock can strike midnight at any point.
so was this the deep state at work or is the deep state only against Trump? I'm confused...The HillVerified account @thehill
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JFCThe Ken Starr investigation into whether Bill Clinton got a hummer was over four years.
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We don’t really know, at this point, if Flynn Was somewhat railroaded by an agent with an agenda or if he was into more serious stuff wrt Turkey and Gulen and already got a good deal....why talk about that without knowing the full scope of the facts...I think we are past that point...Flynn pleaded "guilty", thus acknowledging he did something wrong.
Not sure I get the hubbub though - why wouldn't Trump pardon Flynn?
how could he be railroaded into pleading guilty? there is zero evidence that anything improper was done in the investigationWe don’t really know, at this point, if Flynn Was somewhat railroaded by an agent with an agenda or if he was into more serious stuff wrt Turkey and Gulen and already got a good deal....why talk about that without knowing the full scope of the facts...
too bad Pruitt wasn't drinking from it at the time...A water fountain at the EPA backed up and started spewing sewage into the hallway https://www.eenews.net/eenewspm/2017/12/14/stories/1060069063 …
We know he was interviewed without a lawyer, without notice by an agent hell bent to get something on him...we don’t know if his rights ere violated in any way....we don’t know if the machinations of the prosecutiion intimidated him into a plea....how could he be railroaded into pleading guilty? there is zero evidence that anything improper was done in the investigation
Stay classy...too bad Pruitt wasn't drinking from it at the time...
he could've asked for a lawyer, could have refused to talk instead he chose to lie to a federal agent...he was national security advisor...I think he knows his rights. The only reason this is even being discussed is because the Right attempting to undermine the investigation even though there is ZERO evidence of anything improper.We know he was interviewed without a lawyer, without notice by an agent hell bent to get something on him...we don’t know if his rights ere violated in any way....we don’t know if the machinations of the prosecutiion intimidated him into a plea....
my point is is we don’t know the entire circumstances YET, so why make any indication if a pardon is appropriate or not YET
Good points here. What if he was treated like pretty much every other suspect is treated by people investigating and prosecuting criminal activity? I mean, can you even imagine? He’s a rich white guy, for chrissakes!We know he was interviewed without a lawyer, without notice by an agent hell bent to get something on him...we don’t know if his rights ere violated in any way....we don’t know if the machinations of the prosecutiion intimidated him into a plea....
my point is is we don’t know the entire circumstances YET, so why make any indication if a pardon is appropriate or not YET
I'm less impressed by their continued disregard for all thing contextual, nuanced, things already KNOWN or well, any sense of objective logical deduction and reasoning.I for one am impressed with the right's newfound concern for an individual's right to counsel.
Are those the same people who said Trump was a big donor to NAMBLA? Because I heard A LOT of people were saying that.Jake TapperVerified account @jaketapper 2m2 minutes ago
President Trump this morning after being asked: “I don’t want to talk about pardons with Michael Flynn yet, we’ll see what happens, let’s see. I can say this, when you look at what’s going on with the FBI and the Justice Department, people are very, very angry.”